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Clinton Signals She May Take Delegate Fight To The Convention

Senator Hillary Clinton says that if the DNC doesn’t change it’s stance on seating the Michigan and Florida delegations and the two states wish to pursue it, she’ll take the fight all the way the the convention:

In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they continue the fight.

The presidential candidate said Wednesday, “Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this.”

Clinton is calling for delegates from both states to be seated at the convention based on the primaries. Both states were stripped of their delegates because they voted early, violating national party rules. Clinton won both states; Barack Obama’s name wasn’t on the Michigan ballot. The DNC’s rules committee will hear an appeal on May 31.

By most accounts Clinton will not get what she wants and the DNC which many analysts feel will will opt for some kind of compromise.

Clinton and her followers feel she is being gypped out of the delegates from those states, but her critics say her campaign changed the rules of the game — and its own documented stance — once it was clear she needed these delegates. Some angry progressives feel Clinton will press her campaign even if she risks bringing down the Democratic party.

Seating the two delegations could be complicated — as well as controversial.

Former Tampa Tribune reporter Steve Isbitts says that if the Florida primary results are used it could be illegal — and be a third degree felony:

Florida election law (Chapter 104.0515) states that “No person, whether acting under color of law or otherwise, shall intimidate, threaten, or coerce, any other person for the purpose of causing such other person to vote for, or not vote for, any candidate for any office at any general, special, or primary election….”

Coerce is largely defined, “to compel by force, intimidation, or authority, esp. without regard for individual desire or volition.”

This Florida election statute makes it clear that if The Democratic Party chooses to use the results of Florida’s January primary to determine delegates assigned to Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton, ignoring it’s public edict that results would not count, high-ranking party members will be in violation of Florida election law. The crime is a third degree felony in this case.

If January’s election results are used to select delegates, a Florida prosecutor could make a case that The Democratic Party officials used their “authority” to advise voters that their presidential votes would not count, without regard for the voters’ “volition,” defined as the exercise of their personal choice. It could then be determined that the party intentionally caused some voters to not vote.

Florida Law Calls For Criminal Charges Against Those Who Use Authority To Mislead Voters

All across Florida, there are residents who admit that their decision to not vote for a presidential candidate in January was directly affected by The Democratic Party stating that the vote was meaningless. Several state newspapers have quoted people who fit this example.

The Democratic Party, hopefully, will choose to follow the rules they set last year.

Could it become so litigious? Given the tone of the contest, there is the possibility of some lawyers making some bucks on both sides. On the other hand, some see signs that the end game may be in sight.

  • saintixe56
    The far side of enough for wont of a better word. Or another this woman ghas no shame. So now when a thief will commit a crime, I suggest we call it a technicality; because rules and agreements are made to be no more acceptable depending on which side of the law one is.
    GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY§
    CHEAT LIE, STEAL, (KILL ?)
    ALL IS A TECHNICALITY
    BECAUSE BETWEEN YOU AND I THAT IS HOW IT DOES LOOK. to anyone who until now thought-silly me, that once you had pledge your word, once the rules and laws have been set, you-stupid old me, you obey them rules.
    HRC rewrites history...Some people wrote that some democrats were saying under cover they had had enough of the Clintons, now we all know why.
    The good people of Iowa liek mysef-Hawkeye rules. will remember this. If that stupid DNC accepts to have thge FL/mi
  • saintixe56
    The far side of enough for wont of a better word. Or another this woman ghas no shame. So now when a thief will commit a crime, I suggest we call it a technicality; because rules and agreements are made to be no more acceptable depending on which side of the law one is.
    GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY§
    CHEAT LIE, STEAL, (KILL ?)
    ALL IS A TECHNICALITY
    BECAUSE BETWEEN YOU AND I THAT IS HOW IT DOES LOOK. to anyone who until now thought-silly me, that once you had pledge your word, once the rules and laws have been set, you-stupid old me, you obey them rules.
    HRC rewrites history...Some people wrote that some democrats were saying under cover they had had enough of the Clintons, now we all know why.
    The good people of Iowa liek mysef-Hawkeye rules. will remember this. If that stupid DNC accepts to have thge FL/mi
  • saintixe56
    The far side of enough for wont of a better word. Or another this woman ghas no shame. So now when a thief will commit a crime, I suggest we call it a technicality; because rules and agreements are made to be no more acceptable depending on which side of the law one is.
    GO AHEAD MAKE MY DAY§
    CHEAT LIE, STEAL, (KILL ?)
    ALL IS A TECHNICALITY
    BECAUSE BETWEEN YOU AND I THAT IS HOW IT DOES LOOK. to anyone who until now thought-silly me, that once you had pledge your word, once the rules and laws have been set, you-stupid old me, you obey them rules.
    HRC rewrites history...Some people wrote that some democrats were saying under cover they had had enough of the Clintons, now we all know why.
    The good people of Iowa liek mysef-Hawkeye rules. will remember this. If that stupid DNC accepts to have thge FL/mi
  • saintixe56
    If that stupid DNC accepts to have the FL/MI to be sitted withiout inasmuch as a blink while counrty bumpkin Iowa who -*how stupid one can be- played by the book, aside the fact the DEms are in a a sad and well, very well very sound beating in the GE, many of us, white midwesterners; and westerners, and AA will remember at the next house election who to forget to vote for. There is a thing about racism, there is a thing about sexism but mote tahn anything there is a thing about fiddling with democraty. The Pantsuit and I am a woman may be the nominee but I assure her a ride she will not forget , a ride that will be a lession to any future candidate who foolishly wants to play sleazy with my ballott.
    Hear me Howard, dont you dare. Ever.
  • DLS
    The Dems are the rules-don't-matter, laws-don't-matter party, and it's likely some kind of "compromise" [scowl] will be made allowing the outlaws to be seated at the convention, not so much because of the number of delegates at stake (when the states chose to violate the rules, they forfeited the seating of their delegates; any complaints by them are nonsense) but because the Dems will fear the great displeasure of voteres in those two megastates.

    As if they're going to all stay home or move en masse to McCain! Riiiiiiiiiight.
  • From the sublime to the ridiculous.

    If the "offense" occured at all, then the use or non-use of the vote by the party does not actually affect guilt in the least. The threat itself is the crime, not the followthrough or lack thereof.

    I do love a circus.
  • mlhradio
    Frankly, about the ONLY thing that could get the superdelegates (those declared and undeclared) to move quickly en-masse to Obama would be if Clinton would push the "I'll take this to the convention" issue.

    It's the one and only thing that the bigwigs in the Democratic party absolutely do NOT want. If the first week of June rolls around and Clinton is still raising a big stink about Florida and Michigan after the RBC meeting, I hope there is a quick and swift movement of delegates to Obama (both the remaining undeclared supers as well as previously-declared ones switching). She's sort of like the houseguest still sticking around after you've turned off the lights, switched off the electricity, sold the house and moved to another country.
  • daveinboca
    Hilarious. Don't take it to the Convention, as Teddy did in '80 when he was SEVEN HUNDRED delegates behind! And don't have a convention floor vote on whether FL or MI counts, as happened with a MS delegation long ago. Mississippi is so much more important than Florida or Michigan in the large scheme of things!

    Actually, the superdelegates don't vote until the Convention convenes. Their "commitments" are worth the PR spin they generate. If Hillary concedes before forcing a decision on two large states, she's leaving a lot of money on the table.

    I don't think she should pay much attention to the MSM flimflammery going on. They just go for the most liberal candidate, and she should push her CENTRIST cred because despite the media's proclamation that voters want "change," they may want it in digestible doses.
  • DLS
    "It's the one and only thing that the bigwigs in the Democratic party absolutely do NOT want."

    "Hilarious. Don't take it to the Convention, as Teddy did in '80 when he was SEVEN HUNDRED delegates behind! And don't have a convention floor vote on whether FL or MI counts, as happened with a MS delegation long ago. Mississippi is so much more important than Florida or Michigan in the large scheme of things!"

    The Dems really are making this hilarious by not wanting their convention to actually mean something, and merit Americans' attention, for once in a generation or longer.
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