Comments on: The Mosh Pit of Candidates: Ron Paul Will Hold ‘Counter-Convention’ at Republican Convention

By: runasim

runasim — Sat, 17 May 2008 21:05:44 +0000

:Clinton and Obama are two varieties of the same basic policy agenda."

A policy agenda is, of course, a prime motivator in elections.

What many people will be voting for, however, is a different process for arriving at specific policies,. Here, Clinton's 'reaching across the aisle' and Obma's are entirely different. Clinton stakes out a position and fights on to the bitter end until co-operation, is inevscapable. Obama starts out by including diversity of views from the beginning., trying to avoid the bitterness in fghts..

In a different climate, I would be attracted to Clinton's approach. I think her health plan is superior, for example.
Right now, however, Obama's attention to process is what the ountry needs, IMO.

By: runasim

runasim — Sat, 17 May 2008 20:44:54 +0000

“,Ron Paul's campaign was more of a massive exercise in deprogramming than a real political campaign”

That's one way, a positive way, to look at it.
I'm doubtful, though, how deprogramming can work if the tools used are identical to those in the system that is targeted for change.
If it looks like a political campaign, and talks like a politiclal campaign……..

By: RichardB

RichardB — Sat, 17 May 2008 06:23:53 +0000

It really doesn't matter if it's a lifeboat scenario or a couple of generals. The fact that Paul is running a counter=convention, at a different location, is proof that he has given up. His supporters are now attempting to infiltrate the Republican convention by some political tricks in the several State convetions and caucuses. But they have run up against a wall. So the counter-convention is the next best–yet it reeks of failure. Paul willnot even be able to make any inroads as to McCain's running mate, and hardly any into the McCain administration, if McCain wins the Presidency. Paul's political tactics along with his statmenst and books on policies and principles forever makes him persona non grata in any McCain White House. As to the Clinton situation, well, she has far more delegates, as a percentage, than Paul, and will be able to influence the Democratic convention, perhaps even to influence the choice of Obama's VP, as well as his administration. Who knows, in this thing called politics, where uncertainty is king, she may be the nominee. But Paul's lifeboat has sunk and his army defeated.
It's one thing to have a chance and another to play the lottery.

By: Kurtis

Kurtis — Sat, 17 May 2008 05:09:50 +0000

The indoctrination of the American public by this country's political oligarchy and media runs very deep. The process of deprogramming is long and difficult. The Libertarian Party and associated organizations have been reeducating people for over 40 years. Ron Paul's campaign was more of a massive exercise in deprogramming than a real political campaign. He may have achieved a lot and made some breakthroughs but there is still a long way to go. At least his campaign had the lasting effect of leaving behind a political structure through which freedom and liberty oriented candidates can be elected and the reeducation can continue at a faster and more effective pace.

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Sat, 17 May 2008 00:46:55 +0000

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By: pacatrue

pacatrue — Fri, 16 May 2008 23:54:16 +0000

As always, dr. e, I get your point, but I think the circumstances are completely different between running a political campaign and being in a lifeboat or defending one's country in times of war. A more apt comparison would be if two generals were supposedly on the same team and one had been given a mission only to look over to find the other general leading a separate charge.

I'm more accepting of Paul continuing because he offers a very different picture of the Republican party than McCain. But Clinton and Obama are two varieties of the same basic policy agenda. Should the good people of W.Va. still be giving money to Clinton instead of saving for college? Of course, they have a clear right to; I just think it would be the more decent thing for Clinton to do is to say “thank you but it's time for you to keep the money for your family or give it to my friend and opponent who is going to lead going forward; however, you see fit.”