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Gay psychiatrist explains canceled APA panel

In describing the cancelled panel, Dr. David Scasta sounds like he had been searching all along for the reasonable middle. The Bryant Park Project’s Rachel Martin sometimes tips towards typical media mayhem — “You think it’s important to engage the people at the fringe, at the very extreme side?”

While the activists win on points — they are, indeed, correct in many respects — morally and ethically and I think in the very human terms we live every day, Scasta makes some very good points:

Dr. SCASTA: If you grow up in a tradition, particularly a conservative tradition, conservative religious tradition, in which you’re going to Hell if you’re a homosexual person, it begins to influence how you approach therapy. I mean, if you literally believe in a literal hell where you are going to burn, and fry, and be in excruciating pain not just for a moment, but for eternity because you are a gay person, then how do you go to psychotherapy in which somebody like me would be telling you that to have a happy life in this life you need to learn to accept who you are?

So, that compels so many individuals to look for some relief from the risk of damnation, and they then look for therapies that are not well researched, not well supported. But if there’s any chance that that can rescue them from for what them is a very, very terrible occurrence from their religious perspective, they tend to go into these therapies, and that’s where I really believe we’ve got to starting talking with the people of faith.

MARTIN: Let’s talk about who you invited. You were trying to represent a variety of different viewpoints on this, but you had some fairly polarizing figures.

Dr. SCASTA: Very nationally-known figures that certainly – Warren Throckmorton, who’s a psychologist at Grove City College in Pennsylvania, has been the nemesis of gay activists for many, many years. But I was on a talk show in which Dr. Throckmorton was a call-in guest at one point, and we were talking about these kinds of change therapies, or reparative therapies.

And he came in and said, you know, we have to worry about the kinds of damage that can come from these therapies. And he cited a particular study, the Shidlo study, in which there was an effort to try to outline some of the problems that can come from reparative therapies, and said it’s an important and a good study. [...]

MARTIN: [You have someone like Warren Throckmorton, who says] that homosexuality is a sin.

Dr. SCASTA: What he would say is that for many people of faith, they see it as a sin, and that’s something that they need to deal with. He’s not trying to impose his particular theological view on them. On the flip side was Dr. Mohler, who is the president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. He’s a talk-show host. he’s written a zillion different books. he’s one of the brightest people on the conservative side of the religious spectrum.

He has said to Southern Baptists, 16 million members, you know, you may have to come to the conclusion that homosexuality is not a choice, and that’s a big concession for Baptists. He got a lot of flak for that, so I saw a glimmer of hope that maybe we could talk. And we’ve been meeting as a group primarily through emails. This is not a debate. This is not for us to fight and try to show our particular side as being the strongest side, but rather to lay out where the issues are, and to begin to talk, and to talk in a respectful way, rather than an adversarial way.

Scasta says he regrets the press release, that it wasn’t supposed to get out and that it did misrepresent the panel.

As to Throckmorton, he can’t be that bad. He posts on his blog with pride this account of young straight evangelicals who took part in last month’s LGBT “Day of Silence”

- Thanks Holly!

  • Even though I can understand and sympathize with the religious right and their concerns about their kids, I know that nobody can be turned queer. I was born queer.
  • runasim
    It's wonderful to hear about this event. Let's hope it represents a genuine turning of a corner on the way to a whole new direction.


    At he same time, the concept of hell and its terrors strikes me as a remnant from ancient mythologies that has no place in genuinely tolerant societies, whether it's directed at groups, other individuals or the self.
  • warrenthrockmorton
    You said the activist win on points - However, the Gay City News to which you refer did not report accurately about me and sexual identity therapy.

    The symposium, approved by the APA program committee 7 months ago, would have included a presentation of the sexual identity therapy framework and related issues which would have allowed for questions and discussion.

    The GCN said I am an advocate for sexual identity therapy and described it this way:

    “Sexual Identity Therapy,” which he [Throckmorton] says he has successfully applied to help patients “alter homosexual feelings or behaviors” and live their lives “heterosexually” with “only very few weak instances of homosexual attraction.”

    This is false. The article attributes to me claims about SIT I have never made. In fact, the SIT framework says this:

    Prior to outlining the recommendations, let us define what they are not. They are not sexual reorientation therapy protocols in disguise.

    The SIT framework, first contemplated formally in 2005, does not advance any means to do what the GCN article references (”alter homosexual feelings or behavior”), nor do they provide any reference for their assertion. Putting these phrases in quotes makes it appear that I have been quoted in reference to SIT when in fact that is not true. The SIT framework provides an ethical set of guidelines for therapists and clients pursuing a variety of goals but does not prescribe any specific goals. Some clients may wish to alter their sexual behavior but SIT does not prescribe this end unless it is the objective of an individual client.

    The article said that there is no research support for the SIT framework and while it is true that we have no outcome studies as yet. It is misleading to portray it as being without research foundation. A review of the SIT framework will demonstrate that we have taken into account current research regarding sexual orientation, sexual identity and specify that clients should be informed about the positions of professional associations regarding homosexuality. The framework has been endorsed by Robert Spitzer and Nicholas Cummings both pioneers in psychiatry and psychology respectively.
  • JWindish
    Warren, what I tried to say above is that I cannot get into the minutia, I lay no claim to that expertise and I don't even think I have to go there -- I will concede that, "in many respects," in favor of moving on to what I saw as the larger point.

    I find that when I get into the back and forth with my liberal friends (and I count myself among them) they claim victory over me because of their certainty of some "fact." I answer back that the fact alone doesn't do enough, doesn't address the whole truth of a human circumstance. I open myself up, then, to the kinds of criticism that I saw Scasta get.

    I must say, though, that your clarification of the GCN article quotes sounds very clear to me. Did you send it to GCN and did they not at least print it in their letters?
  • warrenthrockmorton
    I did send it to them and they have offered just late yesterday to print a letter to the editor.

    I certainly agree about the need for context. Thanks for calling attention to the symposium...
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