Gracias por la informacion…

It would be nice, if you read more than onc sentence of a complete argument.
To wit:

“Should I be making the choice, not merely for myself, but on behalf of the Dem Party, and ,eventually, for the country, I admit I would have to get off my high horse and think about it a lot harder.”

My comment made a point directly opposite to what your use of a partial quote insinuates.

Really? They did that in 2000, how do you like the results? I wonder how much the Afghans, the Iraqis, the Palestinians & the Lebanese are enjoying the results or the Americans for that fact.

Even if Sen. Clinton was able to somehow get into the Whitehouse in 08 (which is a fantasy) her term would be rife with the kind of gridlock and partisan divisiveness citizens are so utterly sick and tired of.

And do believe that if Obama makes it to the White House the gridlock & partisan divisiveness will end?

If you do, let me remind of a Conservative Democrat in the White House in the 90's that did everything the Republican said they wanted done (Balanced the Budget, cut Welfare, let Corporations do whatever they wanted, gave us NAFTA & WTO) and still got impeached.

Judging from the fierce loyalties expressed far and wide to various candidates and political parties, the Clintons are far from being alone in valuing just plain winning above all else. From what I gather, there are a lot of Democrats who are sick and tired of losing because they tried to play nice enough to not have their own Swiftboaters or their own Karl Roves. This time they want to win.

Seeing that race is, ndeed , a factor now and is likely to be an even bigger factor in the fall, the choice then becomes how to deal with it. Do you do the 'right' thing and not speak about it for fear of making it worse? Or, do you meet the situation head on and try to minimize the potential damage in the general election? Another possibility is that the issue of race is not as big a deal as it's cracked up to be. It's a judgment call about the future as it will unfold in the fall.

I've said before that I would rather see the Democrats lose than to see them win in the wrong way. Should I be making the choice, not merely for myself, but on behalf of the Dem Party, and ,eventually, for the country, I admit I would have to get off my high horse and think about it a lot harder.

Just like in the story about the life boat with more people on it that it can support, sometimes the wrong thing is dome, has to be done, for the ultimate right reason.
We all hope we never have to make such a choice,, but if such a dilemma occurs, there is no escaping the choice that has to be made, and the daunting responsibily for the ocnsequences. .

I agree, then, that the Clintons are making apalling choices now.. I don't agree with the facile assigning of malicious motivation. I don't know what they are thinking or feeling, but I would appreciate more humiliyt on the part of those who claim to know.

I was caught off guard, for example, by a political journalist who has been consistently critical of Hillary. She observed that Hillary feels a deep sense of responibility to her supporters. Being wrong and having human feelings, even values, are not mutually exclusive.
The dehumanizing, objectifying aspect of political criticism poisons the atmosphere in which we live, and I hate it to see us live in it. .

Like Dr. Seuss's Sneetches, there is no one group who deserves to be cast aside for any reason. Many Obama supporters have stories of hard work and sacrifice, loss and challenges and struggles and heartaches, but most of us have to pay for our therapy.