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Clinton Supporters’ Demanding Emails To Superdelegates May Be Backfiring (UPDATED)

The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein reports that supporters of Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton who comment on the pro-Clinton blog Taylor Marsh got ahold of an email list and have been emailing demanding, even angry, emails to superdelegates — and there are signs that some superdelegates are now very unhappy campers:

As the Democratic primary nears its long-awaited conclusion, undecided superdelegates have been drowned under a sudden deluge of angry, sometimes vicious emails from Hillary Clinton supporters urging them to not fall in line behind Barack Obama.

The letter writing campaign picked up steam late Thursday evening when several superdelegates confirmed that a coordinated effort had been launched, apparently independent of Clinton’s campaign, to raise last-minute concerns about Obama’s candidacy and present the specter of voter defections should the Illinois Democrat become the nominee.

[UPDATE: Marsh has responded to the HP piece with a long post of her own blasting the report and stressing that she had nothing to do with what her readers decided to do. It begins:

I in no way have anything whatsoever to do with the narrative being pushed in Sam Stein's post over at Huffington Post. Stop.

Whatever my readers are doing is their business. I am in no way involved. Stop.

Read it in its entirety. FOOTNOTE: Marsh has been a contributor to the Huffington Post herself.]

Back to the Huffington Post:

In more than dozen messages sent yesterday evening and shared with The Huffington Post, supporters of Clinton emailed a laundry list of political and exceedingly personal attacks on Obama’s candidacy, including criticisms of his prior associations and claims that he, not Clinton, had played the race card. The letters underscore the high emotional pitch of the late stage Democratic primary as well as the utter conviction among many supporters of both campaigns that their candidate is solely worthy of the nomination.

So have the letters made many superdelegates see the light and decide to announce that they’ll support Clinton — even though Clinton at this point isn’t ahead in the number of pledged delegates, the popular vote, campaign funding collections or even (by ABC’s recent claim) superdelegates?

Not quite:

Such campaigns targeting superdelegates have mostly been avoided out of fear that the party officials would react negatively to outside pressure. And at least four superdelegates on the receiving end of yesterday’s emails suggested that they did more harm to Clinton’s cause than good.

In one exchange, Donna Brazile, Al Gore’s campaign manager and a stalwart of the Democratic Party, responded with frustration to a writer’s threats of defection. “Honestly, this is the 9th email today,” she wrote before 8:00 pm. “So I believe you’re ready to not only destroy Roe versus Wade, voting rights, civil liberties and civil rights. Perhaps adding trillions more to the deficits through non-stop tax cuts to the wealthy and 100 more years in Iraq. Yes, please join Rush and McCain asap. The train has left. Catch it.”

The Clinton campaign did not return a request for comment as to whether it was behind the email campaign.

That last sentence means the Clinton campaign (a) is trying to figure out how to defuse this without alienating its committed supporters (whom students of politics could consider need to be committed for sending less than respectful emails to superdelegates who are their last hope), (b) doesn’t want to give this more publicity, (c) tacitly supports the effort.

Stein gives readers a bit of feedback on how some superdelegates are reacting to this new form of abusive political spam:

At least two other party insiders wrote the Huffington Post expressing concern over the scope (”I’ve received emails like this for weeks but tonight it started in mass) and negativity of some of the Obama attacks, including one red-state Democrat:

“I spent my entire life in the two reddest states in the entire U.S. so please excuse me if I fail to discern the nuances of the arguments sent my way this evening in what appears to be an orchestrated campaign to intimidate the remaining unpledged delegates by threatening to leave the party and vote for a third Bush term if I and others like me don’t vote for Sen. Clinton,” wrote the exasperated superdelegate. “I have been uncommitted throughout this campaign because I wanted to see how the candidates performed in a variety of settings. I am proud of them both. But I am horrified by this effort to threaten votes for McCain if super delegates don’t vote for Sen. Clinton. I have received hundreds of emails from both sides – but I can say without exception that I have not received a single email from an Obama supporter that threatened a vote for McCain if I didn’t support Sen. Obama. You really ought to be ashamed.”

If you look at what is going on now:

–Hillary Clinton created a controversy with her comments about being a better candidate because she appeals more to white voters.

–Bill Clinton will get lots of play (and some who see it will agree with him) in his latest public burst of anger.

Paul Begala raised eyebrows by saying “”Obama can’t win with just the eggheads and African-Americans…” (OOPS! There goes the Humpty Dumpty vote..)

–Clinton supporters are flooding superdelegates with threatening emails. They seem to forget that politics also involves trying to persuade, not just intimidate.

Bill Clinton often talked about wanting to build a “bridge to the 21st century.”

But, increasingly, the Clinton camp seems as if in terms of common sense political coalition building, it’s trying to burn its bridges in the 21st century.

  • intel105
    Conspiracy theory
    (Barack Obama vs. Vladimir Lenin)
    By Leon A.Weinstein

    An absolutely unproven theory of how a group of rich, educated & very left-wing comrades decided to take America over and beat it without firing of any single shot.

    At the beginning of the XX century, a very bright, young and well-educated man who called himself Vladimir Lenin became a leader of the left wing of the social democratic party of Russia. His supporters, liberal & well-educated men (among them many wealthy including several “filthy” rich) were dead set against a not-popular war with Germany. The economy was in a bad shape, price of food rose, the government was at it’s all times low popularity. They decided to try to take country over by either parliamentary or non-parliamentary way. The ideas they propagated were becoming very popular in Russia – the main idea being re-distribution of wealth, free education and free medicine for all; free transportation for students, senior citizens and sick; social security payments to old and sick disregarding their work history, no taxes from half of the population and IMMEDIATE withdrawal from the war! Most of the country’s population loved it. Nobody explained to this population how Lenin would pay for all those great things, where he would get the funds. Since people were told that they would be given everything for free, they didn’t bother to investigate further.

    Lenin led his party to a spectacular win, employing first parliamentary, then revolutionary tactics. In November of 1917 Lenin’s party was in charge. They immediately took over the ownership of all natural resources, all industrial complexes, all major real estate holdings, and signed a disgraceful peace accord with Germans, in effect giving foreign country a control over about one third of the Russian Empire. Little was known at this time that the Great Lenin’s Revolution was financed by the German Army Intelligence (please view “Wikpedia” under Alexander Parvus, a German agent that was a go-between Lenin and the German High Command). The Lenin’s revolution and subsequent annexation of huge territories of land by Germany were purchased with three million German marks, probably the cheapest real estate deal in the history of humankind.

    Now let’s play a game of suspicion – what if…. a group of very educated, rich and very left oriented people decided a century after the great Lenin’s experiment to make America “more just, more human and more understanding of the needs of other peoples and nations”? What they would do, how they would plan their grand operation of taking over the greatest power on the planet Earth? How would they implement this simple idea of “If you can’t fight it, destroy it from within”? But first, let’s put our “what if” game into prospective and lay down several historical facts.

    During the JFK era both major American political parties were patriotic and united in their will to defend the US and the American way of life from any possible enemy. Upon inauguration JFK said that the US would “pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe to ensure the survival and success of liberty.” At that time JFK’s policies toward Cuba, Soviet Union and Vietnam were shared by the entire congress, including the liberal wing of the Democratic Party. The New York Times wrote after the invasion of Vietnam that “Free World forces ... still have a chance in South Vietnam, and every effort should be made to save the situation.” This was written at the beginning of the war, before a draft at the Universities began. But when it indeed began, the American students felt scared. They didn’t want to be drafted and didn’t want to go to fight in Vietnam. Massive student’s protests erupted masquerading as political protests and civil disagreements. Intellectual elite joined the “young and scared” in accusations of gross mismanagement of the Vietnam War by LBJ, who inherited Vietnam problem from John & Robert Kennedy. The proof that fear was the chief reason for students’ protests is in the pudding - when drafts stopped, so students’ protests declined dramatically. But something significant happened. For the first time in the history of the US, the liberal Left (known in Europe under names “Socialists” and “Communists”) began to resonate with the mood of the mainstream Americans. This was the start of the new coalition that almost destroyed America, as we know it, and still threatens to change it forever. Let’s now remind ourselves that change is not always for the better, and as was once told by an old Chinese proverb “Save me God from being born at the time of major changes”.

    Below are quotes of what American leftists were saying about communism, Soviet Union, war in Vietnam and about the “terrible, imperialistic, fascistic, militaristic and anti-humanistic” United States of America.

    Literary critic Edmund Wilson called USSR “The moral light at the top of the world”. Writers Beatrice and Sidney Webb in their book entitled The Truth About Soviet Russia wrote that the Communist Party is “the most inclusive and equalized democracy on Earth”. Journalist I.F.Stone reported that “communism is a progressive force, lined up on the correct side of the historical events”. Princeton professor and TV commentator Stephen Cohen wrote about Lenin’s economic plans “...toleration of social diversity…social harmony… rule of law”. And on top of everything, in 1978 Secretary of State Cyrus Vance had told Time magazine that President Carter and General Secretary Leonid Brezhnev shared “similar dreams and aspirations.” Wow! This is the very same president that single-handedly toppled Shah’s regime in Iraq, put Ayatollah Khomeini (whom he viewed as great humanist and inspiration) into power and ignited worldwide radical Islamist revolution.

    In 1972 George McGovern, the Democratic party nominee for the President of the United States said in his acceptance speech during Democratic National Convention: “There will be no more Asian children running ablaze from bombed-out schools. There will be no more talk of bombing the dikes or the cities of the North. And within 90 days of my inauguration, every American soldier and every American prisoner will be out of the jungle and out of their cells and then home in America where they belong. And then let us resolve that never again will we send the precious young blood of this country to die trying to prop up a corrupt military dictatorship abroad.” Doesn’t this sound familiar to those who follow 2008 Presidential election cycle? In his published in 1976 autobiography McGovern included his photos with Fidel Castro, and with the Vietnam’s premier Pham Van Dog. In the same book he wrote nothing about the fact that after the United States were forced by the anti-war movement and the leaders of the Democratic Party to withdraw from Vietnam, the Free world lost ten countries to Communists. As a direct result of the American withdrawal, Vietnam gulags were executing and “re-educating” hundreds of thousands of its own citizens. Khmer Rouge killed about two million Cambodians of the nine million population of this small Asian country. Millions of people in the world shall know that suffering, death, starvation, humiliations of millions of their friends and relatives happened as a direct result of actions and lies spread by the American Left.

    The tone of the New Left changes dramatically when socialists are talking about their own country. MIT professor Noam Chomsky wrote “America is a world leading terrorist state”. Filmmaker Michel Moor in his book “Stupid White Man” wrote “Do you feel like you live in a nation of idiots? I used to console myself about the state of stupidity in this country by repeating this to myself: Even if there are two hundred million stone-cold idiots in this country, that leaves at least eighty million who will get what I'm saying . . . “. Reverend Wright pronounced “The United States government is capable of creating AIDS virus in order to genocide the African and African-American population”. Billionaire George Soros repeatedly said in his speeches: “The main enemy of the open society, I believe, is no longer the communist but the capitalist threat. The (global capitalist) system is deeply flawed. As long as capitalism remains triumphant, the pursuit of money overrides all other social considerations. The main obstacle to a stable and just world order is the United States.”

    What “open society” is he talking about? Last time I checked, the most open societies in the world were (among handful of democratic nations) The United States of America and Israel, sworn enemies of the New Left. (I can debate with Mr. Soros the Henri Bergson and Karl Popper’s open society theory and absence of practical results based on this theory, but we will leave this discussion until the next time. Right now we need to understand that the Open Society is set off against the United States of America and that the US is on the way of achieving this desirable by the New Left way of life). But the most important point here is that the New Left doesn’t feel any more a part of this “stupid, oppressive and materialistic” country. They feel, think and act as enemies of the society we live in, ready to CHANGE it. But change it with what?

    If you can’t defeat the strongest country in the world by military force, you can try to destroy it from within. What if George Soros and Michael Moore who hate American way of life and think that America is the main obstacle to building a paradise on earth, decided to put their money where their mouth is? (Hearing how stingy Moore is, I doubt he would put the money, but Soros in his many generous deeds proved that he might). After loosing an attempt in 2004 with the like-minded John Kerry, they may decide to act differently. What if … they would decide to put a Trojan Horse in the White House? How would they do it?

    First, who can be a candidate that millions overwhelmingly would vote for? Since it is obviously a year that Democrats are favorite to win (Bush is a very unpopular president, war is unpopular, economy in troubles and generally people want change), the candidate shall be a Democrat. Either female or an African-American would be a plus, giving additional votes to the contender. The person shall be manageable, meaning that he can’t be an established figure with a circle of friends and support. He/she shall be relatively new on the political scene, but with enough experience that can be sold as “qualified for the job”. Such politician shall be very dedicated to the extreme left socialist cause, but shall be masqueraded as a mainstream and centrist candidate. The revelation that he is not what he really is would come after the fact, when he is already in the White house. The contender shall be good looking, great speaker and a demagogue. He shall be a good actor and know how to hide his true intentions and thoughts. Is it possible to find such a candidate? When you look hard enough, sooner or later you probably will.

    Next task is to very quietly train such candidate and his team. Even main Dems shall not be in on this secret plot… This is not a new task for George Soros. He already played a pivotal role in facilitating the Rose revolution in the republic of Georgia, then the Orange revolution in Ukraine. Those revolutions were aimed against Russian’s dominance in the region. Now he can start the greatest deed of them all, the revolution that would put on its knees the Great Satan itself, the US of A.

    Next step is to train this candidate to promise something that can’t be checked, something intangible, like “bright future for the kids”, “harmony for all”, “peace forever”, “jobs for everybody”, “medicine for free”. In Russia one politician repeatedly told his constituencies that “every single woman will get a men, and if needed we will import men in sufficient quantities, strong, young and very potent men from the Slavic countries”. Don’t scowl – this election promise worked as a charm and sky rocketed the politician into the Russian parliament.

    Next task of the group is to outlaw arms and take them from the people. At least the automatic ones. Stalin, Mao, Hitler all did it immediately after seizing the power, to be able to dwarf any possible resistance to “change” and “reforms” that the good Intended Reformers would want to implement. The socialists want best for the people, but stupid people sometimes do not understand what is best for them and resist. They shall be taken to special outdoor camps and re-educated. Much like Vietnamese and Cambodians did. Then others will suddenly understand how good the regime is.

    Next step in the campaign is to make people feel bad about themselves, then make people feel bad about their government, make people feel bad about their way of life, make sure they think that other ways of life are more human than theirs. Then make sure they loose (or think that they lost) a war, and that they will soon loose their houses, holdings, everything they have. If you ask how to do it – create several independent non-profit companies, channel huge sums of money into them and promote, promote, promote your agenda. Induce panic as much as you can. Lie and cheat, the bigger the lie, the faster people will believe it, as it was proved by the Nazi’s during WWII. Bring in major talent, Hollywood, writers, ex-Presidents, ex-Vice Presidents, sportsmen and TV personalities, journalists and commentators. And lie, lie, lie again. And watch how the lies grow from within…

    I do not know about any conspiracy to overthrow the US government. What I wrote is a speculation, a game called “what if…”. But it is scary to think that this can really happen. Let’s hope that the XXI century will not repeat mistakes of the XX century, at least not the most tragic ones.

    Russians of the XX century learned the hard way that when you get something for free, something is taken from you. The old proverb about the mousetrap being the only place where you can find free cheese proves itself true time and time again. Russians (Soviets) were given free education, free medicine (bad but free), equal pay (small but equal), equal pensions… Several “unimportant” things however were taken from them such as a right to travel abroad, right to express their opinions, right to keep fruits of their labor, right to defend itself against the state, right to elect whom you want to elect, right to worship what you want to worship, and many other rights and privileges that we in the US take for granted. This was the consequence of getting things for free.

    Every country that attempted to build this “wealth re-distribution social paradise” ended up with a totalitarian regime, gulags, killing fields and “starvation into submission” of its own population. Do we really want this to happen to the United States of America? I personally don’t.

    Sincerely,

    Leon A.Weinstein
    Los Angeles, CA
    leonweinstein@hotmail.com
  • crat3
    Black racism cannot trump the Democratic nomination process. Obama's lead in delegates, superdelegates and votes is due to the black racism in voting against Sen. Clinton.

    Obama does not have the requisite number of delegates for the nomination; he has no presumptive lock on the nomination. The Democratic nomination process is still in progress and concludes when all of the remaining states have voted and the superdelegates select the best qualified candidate using their independent judgment. Sen. Clinton is the best qualified presidential candidate and she must continue her fight for the future of America.

    Qualification is the unyielding principle, like the rule of law, for the presidential nomination.

    Swiping the nomination from Sen. Clinton with the premature end of the nomination process is a subversion of the Democratic nomination process and this will result in Obama’s crashing and burning in November and the Democratic Party a train wreck in November. SUPERDELEGATES NEED TO PONDER THEIR ACTION VERY SERIOUSLY AND FULFILL THEIR TRUE FUNCTION IN A RESPONSIBLE MANNER. I will vote McCain. McCain will be president and four more years of Bush under McCain and Roe v. Wade may very well vanish.- And this may be my permanent departure from the Democratic Party.
  • We really need to put a line limit on the comments, T-steel, to avoid these cut and paste e-mail "under the radar" campaigns. The only sad part is that this poster left out the bit about Obama being a double secret muslim.
  • Holly_in_Cincinnati
    I have not been sending emails of any sort to super-delegates but am disgusted with my party's suicide attempt in nominating Obama.
  • jchem
    "Swiping the nomination from Sen. Clinton with the premature end of the nomination process is a subversion of the Democratic nomination process and this will result in Obama’s crashing and burning in November and the Democratic Party a train wreck in November."

    Isn't this the mindset that may have put Hillary in the position she is now crat3? She's losing, plain and simple, and cannot catch up. If the superdelegates, to use your word, "swipe" the nomination from Obama, then the Dems will surely have some problems at the convention, and in November.
  • crat3, why do you want "four more years of Bush under McCain and Roe v. Wade may very well vanish?" At least Holly has expressed that security is her main concern over civil liberties and Choice in her choice of McCain. Why would you vote for McCain?
  • JSpencer
    Good grief! I was going to comment but I don't think there's any room left! Suffice to say, if Holly and Leon are typical of Obama detractors, then he must be doing something right.
  • joegandelman
    Leon. I don't want what you don't want, either.

    I suspect neither do most people who support Hillary, OR Obama OR McCain. All you did was leave a very long, comment that will force us to review comment length and deletion policies. It is like an email I get and delete.

    We DO run Guest Voice posts that are long. Yours is an example of demonizing someone you don't like. I'm surprised something about the grassy knoll in Dallas wasn't there.

    I mean, REALLY. It IS possible to leave a non furious, non ranting intelligent comment on the issue at hand on a post. You're welcome to leave shorter ones, but we won't allow our comments section to be turned into a political spam dumping ground again. You and others who support McCain, Obama or Hillary can count on that. I can add READ MORE ON THIS ENTRY to your comment. But it doesn't merit reading beyond the first reference to Lenin. Except for people who already believe what you do, your loooooooooooooooooong comment above probably turned off wavering readers.

    PS: I was on a college campus during Vietnam. I demonstrated IN FAVOR of the war, and even organized a "National Confidence Week" in my college town, until Nixon invaded Cambodia and then I broke with U.S. policy. I've seen BOTH sides and know people who protested the war and supported it. Those students weren't devils with horns or Communists or war lovers on EITHER side. In all due respect, your depiction of the era is as balanced as your analysis of Obama.

    ONE THING: Sometimes when someone leaves something like this they don't realize how it discredits their own side. This MUST be something left by an Obama
    supporter to make Clinton supporters look overcaffeinated. NO MORE STARBUCKS FOR YOU!
  • runasim
    Joe,
    I loved your last paragaph. Not only is it right, it gave me my first smile of the day.

    It's also an appropriate message to those sending e-mails to superdelegates.
  • Marsh
  • I must admit, I loved that comment at first. Then again, I thought it was a hilarious parody of the topic above. Too much Wonkette makes it hard to take things seriously.
  • joegandelman
    A little Wonkette never hurt!
    And Marsh (I don't know if that is Taylor Marsh) before I saw your link I actually added that update into the body of the story with UPDATE on it, urging people to read that entire linked post themselves. You'll see the update within the post above in bold face, to make sure people to to it, and a note that they need to read it in full.
  • Marsh
    Thanks Joe,
    No, I didn't see the update. As an aside, I want to note that you often publish updates to your posts - kudos. (No, I'm not Taylor Marsh)
  • You know, hearing the words "black racism" because black people are voting for Senator Obama en masse because he's THE FIRST LEGITIMATE BLACK PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE, shows ultimate stupidity. Black people have came out en masse for Bill Clinton. We've been voting for white candidates for YEARS.

    Put a lid on it crat3. IF black people were wholesale practicing racists, there wouldn't be a stable USA. Black racism for Obama..... Spare me.

    And if someone twists my above comment as advocating domestic terrorism, may flies crawl up your nose while you sleep. :-p
  • Slamfu
    Funny, thats exactly how I feel about Hillary.
  • DAMOZEL
    I don't understand. Are they threatening the superdelegates? Are they making allegations that aren't backed up in any way by fact? I'm not sure what's wrong with Hillary's supporters making their views known. How is saying "I feel Obama is being foisted on me, and I won't vote for him under any circumstances" intimidation?

    As far as I can tell, they're telling the truth. It may be "horrifying" to lifelong Democrats, but those would be people who haven't been paying attention at the outrage among Hillary's supporters at what THEY perceive as the grossly biased and unfair (and misogynistic ---see Melissa McEwan at Shakesville) treatment she's received at the hands of the media and by some of Obama's mouthpieces. They're also furious at the exclusion of Florida (so am I and I have documented my reasons, speaking as a Floridian, elsewhere).

    They're not making bricks without straw --- there are substantial grounds for their anger. I know this because I started out barely able to choose between the candidates and was subsequently alienated by Obama's tactics and the treatment I saw Hillary receive.

    I see myself as an eminently reasonable person and yet.....I'd contend myself that the Obama camp made race an issue. We've documented the progress of his campaign at my blog in some detail. I became pro-Hillary in direct reaction to the tactics of Obama's campaign and to what I perceived as its hypocrisy and misrepresentations of fact (re Hillary's health care among other issues).

    I have NEVER agreed with the framing of the Clinton campaign as the primary mud-slinger. I see things very, very differently. Obviously, we must be looking at this campaign through very different 'windows.' I do think I've followed it very closely.

    Like many Hillary supporters, I'm having a hard time accepting Obama as my 'presumptive nominee.'

    But I am prepared to do it. I have taken the position that a Democrat is ALWAYS better represented by a Democrat. In fact, Clinton herself ---whatever her motives in continuing to run ---- agrees.

    Many Hillary supporters strongly feel that she has been railroaded by Donna Brazile via the DNC from the get-go. Should they not be making their concerns known? They're not obliged to swallow Obama without protest. They've every right, it seems to me, to let their fellow Democrats know how they feel.

    I don't believe for a moment that Taylor Marsh instigated their actions and I certainly don't think that Hillary Clinton did.

    I am on many mailing lists and I've received 'calls to action' and so on. I happen to disagree with those Clinton supporters about the utility of emailing superdelegates, but I don't think they're doing anything wrong.

    Why may they not email superdelegates and express their concerns? I don't see the harm. Furthermore, why may they not leave the party if they don't like the candidate and believe --- whether they are right or wrong --- that he was foisted on them?

    I know many Hillary supporters in florida who are saying that they won't vote for Obama. Do I agree with them? No, absolutely not. But as voters, they're not obliged to give their votes to the party.

    The Democratic process includes the possibility that voters will rebel against a choice they feel was foisted on them by an uncaring party, particularly if they perceive that their candidate was unfairly treated (true, true, and true again).

    In my view, they need to accept this reality and take out their anger on the current rulers of the DNC. But --- regardless of what I or the superdelegates believe --- they have the right to decide not to participate in a process which they look on with the same anger as many Dems look on Bush v. Gore.
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