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	<title>Comments on: What Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana, North Carolina Primaries?</title>
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		<title>By: test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana North Carolina &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>test &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana North Carolina &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 13:02:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana North Carolina &#8230;    politicalhumor.guide@about.com wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptOf all the slogans that Hillary [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana North Carolina &#8230;    <a href="mailto:politicalhumor.guide@about.com">politicalhumor.guide@about.com</a> wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptOf all the slogans that Hillary [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My new WordPress MU Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana North Carolina &#8230;</title>
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		<dc:creator>My new WordPress MU Site &#187; Blog Archive &#187; What Happened To Clinton And Obama In Indiana North Carolina &#8230;</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 12:16:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] politicalhumor.guide@about.com wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptOf all the slogans that Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama might have picked to distinguish themselves from one another, “Prolier Than Thou” was probably the least convincing. Yet in the closing days of the Indiana and &#8230; [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] <a href="mailto:politicalhumor.guide@about.com">politicalhumor.guide@about.com</a> wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptOf all the slogans that Hillary Rodham Clinton and Barack Hussein Obama might have picked to distinguish themselves from one another, “Prolier Than Thou” was probably the least convincing. Yet in the closing days of the Indiana and &#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: daveinboca</title>
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		<dc:creator>daveinboca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:03:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With his typical clumsiness, Howard Dean said that any references to Rev. Wright in the general election will be regarded as &quot;racist.&quot;  Ever hear of the First Amendment, Howie, and your club-footed threats are laughable.  Wright is the biggest racist so far in this campaign. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And by totally excluding Florida &amp; Michigan from the convention, the Scream Machine is almost certainly giving Florida to the Repubs, and putting Michigan into play.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For an Obamaniac to call Hitchens &quot;blinkered&quot; is hilarious.   Anyone who gives him an even chance in the general now is giving away money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With his typical clumsiness, Howard Dean said that any references to Rev. Wright in the general election will be regarded as &#8220;racist.&#8221;  Ever hear of the First Amendment, Howie, and your club-footed threats are laughable.  Wright is the biggest racist so far in this campaign. </p>
<p>And by totally excluding Florida &#038; Michigan from the convention, the Scream Machine is almost certainly giving Florida to the Repubs, and putting Michigan into play.</p>
<p>For an Obamaniac to call Hitchens &#8220;blinkered&#8221; is hilarious.   Anyone who gives him an even chance in the general now is giving away money.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 19:47:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Desecrating a classic cartoon -- man, people are stretching these days...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Desecrating a classic cartoon &#8212; man, people are stretching these days&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 18:52:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After reading a wide range of comments on the Clintons and this campaign this morning, , I end by being as critical of many Clinton critics as I am of the Hillary campaing itself.&lt;br&gt;Suddenly everyone is a psychoanalyst with open access to the inner workings of Clinton minds. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reducing  real live people to caricatures should be relegated to the cartoon page, and mind reading  should be limited to those with scientifically demonstrable mind reading talents. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hitchens, as an example, is so intelectually corrupt as to give the subject of his main claim to fame, atheism, an undeserved  bad name.  &lt;br&gt;Although  he does make  some salient points about the primaries,   they come wrapped in pure blather.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The subject of race is now openly discussed, and as MaryL says in the above comment, its  effect can&#039;t be understood in simplistic terms.&lt;br&gt;However, the likelihood is that race will play an even larger role in November, (think of attack ads), and no one knows yet how that will play out.  The line between simply trying to calculate the effect and playing the race card is clear only in the  eyes  of  very predisposed judgers.  Criticism on that score is highly suspect, IMO, and the whole subject should be dropped when it comes to the Clinons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After reading a wide range of comments on the Clintons and this campaign this morning, , I end by being as critical of many Clinton critics as I am of the Hillary campaing itself.<br />Suddenly everyone is a psychoanalyst with open access to the inner workings of Clinton minds. </p>
<p>Reducing  real live people to caricatures should be relegated to the cartoon page, and mind reading  should be limited to those with scientifically demonstrable mind reading talents. </p>
<p>Hitchens, as an example, is so intelectually corrupt as to give the subject of his main claim to fame, atheism, an undeserved  bad name.  <br />Although  he does make  some salient points about the primaries,   they come wrapped in pure blather.</p>
<p>The subject of race is now openly discussed, and as MaryL says in the above comment, its  effect can&#39;t be understood in simplistic terms.<br />However, the likelihood is that race will play an even larger role in November, (think of attack ads), and no one knows yet how that will play out.  The line between simply trying to calculate the effect and playing the race card is clear only in the  eyes  of  very predisposed judgers.  Criticism on that score is highly suspect, IMO, and the whole subject should be dropped when it comes to the Clinons.</p>
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		<title>By: MaryL</title>
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		<dc:creator>MaryL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 16:34:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hitchens is a blinkered fool. The split between Clinton and Obama is not pure racial kneejerking, although race does play some part in their appeal. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s been gaining on the white vote since Ohio, and his large portion of the AA vote came AFTER Clinton lost her 2007 AA majorities over a period of weeks in early 2008. He won whiter-than-white Iowa and continued to do well and looked viable. Add in Bill Clinton&#039;s SC comments and Ferraro&#039;s (at least partially self-fulfilling) rants, and black Democrats pissed off with the Clintons moved even faster into Obama&#039;s column.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And yes, there is the element of voting for someone like you, which drives (to some degree) Clinton&#039;s support among older white women and Obama&#039;s support among blacks. But he didn&#039;t get the black vote in this proportion until he proved he could campaign, appeal to whites, offer attractive policies, and WIN. If this was nothing more than racial herding, then why is Obama the first AA politician to do so extraordinarily well among blacks?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hitchens is a blinkered fool. The split between Clinton and Obama is not pure racial kneejerking, although race does play some part in their appeal. </p>
<p>Obama&#39;s been gaining on the white vote since Ohio, and his large portion of the AA vote came AFTER Clinton lost her 2007 AA majorities over a period of weeks in early 2008. He won whiter-than-white Iowa and continued to do well and looked viable. Add in Bill Clinton&#39;s SC comments and Ferraro&#39;s (at least partially self-fulfilling) rants, and black Democrats pissed off with the Clintons moved even faster into Obama&#39;s column.</p>
<p>And yes, there is the element of voting for someone like you, which drives (to some degree) Clinton&#39;s support among older white women and Obama&#39;s support among blacks. But he didn&#39;t get the black vote in this proportion until he proved he could campaign, appeal to whites, offer attractive policies, and WIN. If this was nothing more than racial herding, then why is Obama the first AA politician to do so extraordinarily well among blacks?</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can&#039;t help but wonder what role Bill will play in the post primary season (if we ever get there, and presuming that Hillary is not the nominee.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Will he be muzzled by the party, and if not, will he sabotage Obama as he did his own wife?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then again, as he vents his anger (probably by playing the race card as the reason for her loss) he may drive up black voter turnout- he may officially be stripped of the title of first black president as black voters decide to show him what a real black president looks like. And white voters may join them in sufficient numbers to be determinative of the final outcome, so it&#039;s hard to know what the effect will be even if he&#039;s off the leash.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#39;t help but wonder what role Bill will play in the post primary season (if we ever get there, and presuming that Hillary is not the nominee.)</p>
<p>Will he be muzzled by the party, and if not, will he sabotage Obama as he did his own wife?</p>
<p>Then again, as he vents his anger (probably by playing the race card as the reason for her loss) he may drive up black voter turnout- he may officially be stripped of the title of first black president as black voters decide to show him what a real black president looks like. And white voters may join them in sufficient numbers to be determinative of the final outcome, so it&#39;s hard to know what the effect will be even if he&#39;s off the leash.</p>
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		<title>By: Jules Crittenden &#187; Not Dead Yet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Crittenden &#187; Not Dead Yet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:40:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Gandelman at the Moderate Voice channels Hitchens, noting Bill&#8217;s dour look on stage in Indiana last night as a bad omen, but notes its too early to plant a tombstone on the Clinton plot. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Gandelman at the Moderate Voice channels Hitchens, noting Bill&#8217;s dour look on stage in Indiana last night as a bad omen, but notes its too early to plant a tombstone on the Clinton plot. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: HappySurge</title>
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		<dc:creator>HappySurge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 15:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, to be honest, they&#039;ll probably find plenty of things that belong to Bill, especially under a blacklight.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, to be honest, they&#39;ll probably find plenty of things that belong to Bill, especially under a blacklight.</p>
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