Oh, I hope that's me! Please let it be me.

Me, too!

Liberal Education…
Bozo the Clown Blotter & 'Horse Caps'…
Career, family… Children, Grandchildren…
Retired by 60… Crappy golfer four days a week …

Sure glad I didn't buy into the negative, pessimism pouring from the mouths of those calling themselves “conservative”…

The constant drone of naysayers reminds me daily of the terrible path I might have taken. Life is good… Thank you.

Oh, I hope that's me! Please let it be me.

Me, too!

Liberal Education…
Bozo the Clown Blotter & 'Horse Caps'…
Career, family… Children, Grandchildren…
Retired by 60… Crappy golfer four days a week …

Sure glad I didn't buy into the negative, pessimism pouring from the mouths of those calling themselves “conservative”…

The constant drone of naysayers reminds me daily of the terrible path I might have taken. Life is good… Thank you.

Oh, I hope that's me! Please let it be me. I'll be really disappointed otherwise.

Did I mention that Stokely Carmichael and Charles Hamilton's “Black Power” is currently sitting on my bed?

It has to be me. It has to!

Oh, I hope that's me! Please let it be me. I'll be really disappointed otherwise.

Did I mention that Stokely Carmichael and Charles Hamilton's “Black Power” is currently sitting on my bed?

It has to be me. It has to!

Runasim: We agree completely about all of that (though if I”m dissatisfied with a restaurant or find that it isn't living up to its potential or its billing then I might offer constructive criticism instead of just walking out and not returning.)

The difference of opinion is just over whether or not the kind of support that you feel that Holly deserves (and I think that as well) has been extended fairly and equally in all cases. I imagine that we will have to agree to disagree about that.

Runasim: We agree completely about all of that (though if I”m dissatisfied with a restaurant or find that it isn't living up to its potential or its billing then I might offer constructive criticism instead of just walking out and not returning.)

The difference of opinion is just over whether or not the kind of support that you feel that Holly deserves (and I think that as well) has been extended fairly and equally in all cases. I imagine that we will have to agree to disagree about that.

When I visit a restaurant, I choose from the menu. I don't demand that the management change its cuisine to suit my taste. I may comment on the quality of the food or the service, or I may leave. The reaction is up to me., How to run the restaurant is up to the management..

Even though Holly and I seldom agree on politics, I would never dream of demanding her departure. The comments alluding to Holly in such a manner are out of line, Imo. I would defend her against those who make such demands. .

My choice is: comment on a post, or don't readi it and just scroll past. As a visitor, i expect no more say in who writes posts or what they say in them than I expect to dictate the cuisine of a restaurant I visit.

I hope you see where our point of dfference is now and where it was in the past so we can let it drop.
If not, that's okay, too.

When I visit a restaurant, I choose from the menu. I don't demand that the management change its cuisine to suit my taste. I may comment on the quality of the food or the service, or I may leave. The reaction is up to me., How to run the restaurant is up to the management..

Even though Holly and I seldom agree on politics, I would never dream of demanding her departure. The comments alluding to Holly in such a manner are out of line, Imo. I would defend her against those who make such demands. .

My choice is: comment on a post, or don't readi it and just scroll past. As a visitor, i expect no more say in who writes posts or what they say in them than I expect to dictate the cuisine of a restaurant I visit.

I hope you see where our point of dfference is now and where it was in the past so we can let it drop.
If not, that's okay, too.

IN part, because they know they may have to rely on each other as allies in the future, that both may need to court the other's good will some day. Also, I had the impression, and I could be wrong, but alot of those old boys were in sports in high school and college and sort of had the brain groove already, that you fight as hard as you can, and afterward, admire the other team's endurance, and maybe learn a few things from them too.

I think, personal grudges certainly exist in some. But, that's like a set of dams on a river. It's better to do something other than hold grudges. Not forgetting if someone really 'done someone wrong,' but forebearing for larger reasons. Easy to say, sometimes hard to do. But worth striving toward, I think. Just my .02 worth.

I think any group can unify if they have a large enough goal. There will always be those who spit and go away. But hopefully they too, will come back, if even at the periphery and participate.

I hold that thought. I know many others here do also. Id rather if people want to see people throwing each other around all over the place, they go to any Czech tumbling show, or the WWF. lol.

dr.e

IN part, because they know they may have to rely on each other as allies in the future, that both may need to court the other's good will some day. Also, I had the impression, and I could be wrong, but alot of those old boys were in sports in high school and college and sort of had the brain groove already, that you fight as hard as you can, and afterward, admire the other team's endurance, and maybe learn a few things from them too.

I think, personal grudges certainly exist in some. But, that's like a set of dams on a river. It's better to do something other than hold grudges. Not forgetting if someone really 'done someone wrong,' but forebearing for larger reasons. Easy to say, sometimes hard to do. But worth striving toward, I think. Just my .02 worth.

I think any group can unify if they have a large enough goal. There will always be those who spit and go away. But hopefully they too, will come back, if even at the periphery and participate.

I hold that thought. I know many others here do also. Id rather if people want to see people throwing each other around all over the place, they go to any Czech tumbling show, or the WWF. lol.

dr.e

BTW, Lynx, if I”m not mistaken I think I remember that when Jill Miller made those arguments, she was treated in a pretty disgusting manner- with all sorts of insinuation about gender being the only real reason she supported HC.

Yes, I remember that too, and those attacks were, IMO, totally unwarranted. I don't personally remember a time in which Holly was even vaguely open to discussion about Obama. Though I agree that there are people who would attack no matter how moderate and reasonable the post (as Jill has had to tolerate) I also think that there are people who tried initially, but then gave up in disgust.

And now, to get into Clarissa's good graces for straying off topic, I'll actually address the subject at hand; party unity. I agree with Howard Dean, who said party unity is going to depend on the losing candidate. It's that's candidate's sad chore to put on a brave face, and feigning enthusiasm, try to convince their voters to go over and vote for the person they've been fighting for months on end. It's an unenviable task, and won't be easy for either one. I see Clinton as less able or willing to pull off the task of bringing her voters to Obama, though it won't be easy for him either. Also, if Obama doesn't get the nomination, I suspect the anger and disillusion within the black community will be huge. I'm not silly enough to think they'll vote for McCain, but many could decide to stay home.

BTW, Lynx, if I”m not mistaken I think I remember that when Jill Miller made those arguments, she was treated in a pretty disgusting manner- with all sorts of insinuation about gender being the only real reason she supported HC.

Yes, I remember that too, and those attacks were, IMO, totally unwarranted. I don't personally remember a time in which Holly was even vaguely open to discussion about Obama. Though I agree that there are people who would attack no matter how moderate and reasonable the post (as Jill has had to tolerate) I also think that there are people who tried initially, but then gave up in disgust.

And now, to get into Clarissa's good graces for straying off topic, I'll actually address the subject at hand; party unity. I agree with Howard Dean, who said party unity is going to depend on the losing candidate. It's that's candidate's sad chore to put on a brave face, and feigning enthusiasm, try to convince their voters to go over and vote for the person they've been fighting for months on end. It's an unenviable task, and won't be easy for either one. I see Clinton as less able or willing to pull off the task of bringing her voters to Obama, though it won't be easy for him either. Also, if Obama doesn't get the nomination, I suspect the anger and disillusion within the black community will be huge. I'm not silly enough to think they'll vote for McCain, but many could decide to stay home.

For myself, Obama has a special place in my political heart simply because we're both black. And I have to be honest with you, I would love to see a black president for many reasons. One big reason is that perceived barriers to black folks “ascending” would be smashed. But I also have to decide who can run this ol' country with the right plan. So I'm conflicted. And that's a good thing in my book.

For myself, Obama has a special place in my political heart simply because we're both black. And I have to be honest with you, I would love to see a black president for many reasons. One big reason is that perceived barriers to black folks “ascending” would be smashed. But I also have to decide who can run this ol' country with the right plan. So I'm conflicted. And that's a good thing in my book.