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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19369/infidelity-an-american-social-and-political-obsession/comment-page-1/#comment-143067</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 21:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find it amusing that people will discuss a topic without the ability to see past  the headline news.  Spitzer was caught becasue of a system set up to catch money laundering and financial support for terrorism groups.  Had he been able to pay his friend in the daylinght, there would have been no reason for subtrefuge or  camouflaged bank payments.    It&#039;s not the sex, It&#039;s  how the role of infidelity is groundlessly magnified .that causes the problem&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Lewinsky&#039;s feminism, she was obviously not one.  She was not coerced. She was an adult woman responsible for her own choices, and she made bad ones.  Responsibility is part of feminism, not  cry-baby regret or paternalistic  management.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The discussion should be about corruption, not infidelity..&lt;br&gt;You&#039;ll have to continue obsessing about sex without me.&lt;br&gt;Enjoy.</description>
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<p>I find it amusing that people will discuss a topic without the ability to see past  the headline news.  Spitzer was caught becasue of a system set up to catch money laundering and financial support for terrorism groups.  Had he been able to pay his friend in the daylinght, there would have been no reason for subtrefuge or  camouflaged bank payments.    It&#39;s not the sex, It&#39;s  how the role of infidelity is groundlessly magnified .that causes the problem</p>
<p>As for Lewinsky&#39;s feminism, she was obviously not one.  She was not coerced. She was an adult woman responsible for her own choices, and she made bad ones.  Responsibility is part of feminism, not  cry-baby regret or paternalistic  management.  </p>
<p>The discussion should be about corruption, not infidelity..<br />You&#39;ll have to continue obsessing about sex without me.<br />Enjoy.</p>
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		<title>By: s and m rape</title>
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		<dc:creator>s and m rape</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 15:55:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>runasim, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bill Clinton has sex with a government employee and then gave her a job afterwards. Gary Condit had a history of hitting on young women in both Sacramento and DC.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is important how people behave when others are arguing.  Using government employees to manage your sex life like Giuliani or Spitzer or using government jobs to award young women. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem with private sex lives is that it nevers seem to stay in their private life.  If a politician can pass the young women around the office, they will and their private life definitely indicates that they will. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I find it humorous that the Democratic Party threw the feminist under the bus to save Bill Clinton.  Now they cannot stand Bill Clinton.  They abandoned their principles on sexual harassment and have made it virtually impossible to prove.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am surprised that you would be an enabler for bad boy behavior.  If you expect others such as policemen or school students to behave themselves, the least we can do is expect politicians to behave themselves.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>runasim, </p>
<p>Bill Clinton has sex with a government employee and then gave her a job afterwards. Gary Condit had a history of hitting on young women in both Sacramento and DC.  </p>
<p>It is important how people behave when others are arguing.  Using government employees to manage your sex life like Giuliani or Spitzer or using government jobs to award young women. </p>
<p>The problem with private sex lives is that it nevers seem to stay in their private life.  If a politician can pass the young women around the office, they will and their private life definitely indicates that they will. </p>
<p>I find it humorous that the Democratic Party threw the feminist under the bus to save Bill Clinton.  Now they cannot stand Bill Clinton.  They abandoned their principles on sexual harassment and have made it virtually impossible to prove.  </p>
<p>I am surprised that you would be an enabler for bad boy behavior.  If you expect others such as policemen or school students to behave themselves, the least we can do is expect politicians to behave themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 13:21:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Speculation  aboutt dire consequences is neither evidence. nor proof.   It&#039;s speculation.  In this case, it&#039;s speculation contradicted by hsitoric evidenc.e&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the politician didn&#039;t have to fear being persecuted for  private matters, there would be no need to squander public money in order to camoflage infidelity or in order to evade being discovered. or blackmailed.&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s the reaction to infidelity that causes the problem  in the public realm,  not the infidelity itself  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hiring incompetent secretaries is exactly like  hiring incompetent friends and political cronies, or granting them outrageous contracts that don&#039;t deliver value.  Consider the money wasted and corruption involved in these cases..  In relative terms, the secretaries are a bargain.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Sexual harassment is a form of mistreatment, like demanding kickbaks or political donations  in return for favors or jobs.  It&#039;s illegitimate to single out sex as a motivation when greed and power are so obviously omnipresent...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The overriding error here is to put all misbehavior that involves sex into one bag. &lt;br&gt;Being unfaithful is not the same as sexual harassment  or misuse of public funds.&lt;br&gt;Infidelity is no more a signal for subsequent  misbehavior in other ways than playing checkers is an indication of a gambling addiction.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Besides, I think obsesing about other people&#039;s private lives is bad for health, .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD-</p>
<p>Speculation  aboutt dire consequences is neither evidence. nor proof.   It&#39;s speculation.  In this case, it&#39;s speculation contradicted by hsitoric evidenc.e</p>
<p>If the politician didn&#39;t have to fear being persecuted for  private matters, there would be no need to squander public money in order to camoflage infidelity or in order to evade being discovered. or blackmailed.<br />It&#39;s the reaction to infidelity that causes the problem  in the public realm,  not the infidelity itself  </p>
<p>Hiring incompetent secretaries is exactly like  hiring incompetent friends and political cronies, or granting them outrageous contracts that don&#39;t deliver value.  Consider the money wasted and corruption involved in these cases..  In relative terms, the secretaries are a bargain.</p>
<p>Sexual harassment is a form of mistreatment, like demanding kickbaks or political donations  in return for favors or jobs.  It&#39;s illegitimate to single out sex as a motivation when greed and power are so obviously omnipresent&#8230;</p>
<p>The overriding error here is to put all misbehavior that involves sex into one bag. <br />Being unfaithful is not the same as sexual harassment  or misuse of public funds.<br />Infidelity is no more a signal for subsequent  misbehavior in other ways than playing checkers is an indication of a gambling addiction.</p>
<p>Besides, I think obsesing about other people&#39;s private lives is bad for health, .</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 10:10:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Runasim, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Are calling for the elimination of sexual harassment laws in the United States.  Do you really want to go back to the good old days of 20 something busty secretaries that could not type?  And yes, politicians lke Wilbur Mills to Gus savage were good at screwing over the electorate.  If a politician feels comfortable indulging his desires at the office he will use tax dollars as well as the entry level employees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Runasim, </p>
<p>Are calling for the elimination of sexual harassment laws in the United States.  Do you really want to go back to the good old days of 20 something busty secretaries that could not type?  And yes, politicians lke Wilbur Mills to Gus savage were good at screwing over the electorate.  If a politician feels comfortable indulging his desires at the office he will use tax dollars as well as the entry level employees.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 01:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot; If a politician... will cheat his/her spousen, the will even more easily screw over the citizens&quot; &lt;br&gt;-----------------------------------------------------------------------------&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no evidence whatsoever to supportt  such an assertion., not in American history and not in European history.  &lt;br&gt;The obsession with the sex lives of other people threatens social stability  far more than  the indiscretions of any political leader  in my reading of history and my observations of various other societies.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I sometimes wonder how many fewer terrorists we would have if they didn;t spend so much time obsessing about  making and enforcing laws governing sex.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s not to say that infidelity doesn&#039;t ccme with a price in heartache, even in Gay Paree.  I&#039;ve lent my shoulder to more  than one European crying over the hurt the straying partner has caused.  They work it out in private, however, no one judges, and the world continues its orbit around the sun.  The crucial factor is not the infidelity per se, but whether or not support for the family unit, especially the children, is threatened. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The US  would do far better, IMO, if it stopped peeking through bedroom windows and started to prioritize its measures of morality in a more rational way.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A far more likely clue to how someone will govern is how honestly he handles business and money matters and how wise he is in the use of power.&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s talk more about that instead of worrying about things that concern only the people involved.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; If a politician&#8230; will cheat his/her spousen, the will even more easily screw over the citizens&#8221; <br />&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8212;&#8211;</p>
<p>There is no evidence whatsoever to supportt  such an assertion., not in American history and not in European history.  <br />The obsession with the sex lives of other people threatens social stability  far more than  the indiscretions of any political leader  in my reading of history and my observations of various other societies.</p>
<p>I sometimes wonder how many fewer terrorists we would have if they didn;t spend so much time obsessing about  making and enforcing laws governing sex.  </p>
<p>That&#39;s not to say that infidelity doesn&#39;t ccme with a price in heartache, even in Gay Paree.  I&#39;ve lent my shoulder to more  than one European crying over the hurt the straying partner has caused.  They work it out in private, however, no one judges, and the world continues its orbit around the sun.  The crucial factor is not the infidelity per se, but whether or not support for the family unit, especially the children, is threatened. </p>
<p>The US  would do far better, IMO, if it stopped peeking through bedroom windows and started to prioritize its measures of morality in a more rational way.</p>
<p>A far more likely clue to how someone will govern is how honestly he handles business and money matters and how wise he is in the use of power.<br />Let&#39;s talk more about that instead of worrying about things that concern only the people involved.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 00:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Two points:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1.  If a politicians will will and cheat his/her spousen, the will even more easily screw over the citizens.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2.  I guess that the Europeans still like the idea of passing around the pretty young girls at the office.  If the U.S. is going to have sexual harassment laws, then dating your subordinates and rewarding them for the sex is forbidden.  I would bet that Europe does not have sexual harassment laws like the U.S and I know that they do not have the same number of lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Two points:</p>
<p>1.  If a politicians will will and cheat his/her spousen, the will even more easily screw over the citizens.  </p>
<p>2.  I guess that the Europeans still like the idea of passing around the pretty young girls at the office.  If the U.S. is going to have sexual harassment laws, then dating your subordinates and rewarding them for the sex is forbidden.  I would bet that Europe does not have sexual harassment laws like the U.S and I know that they do not have the same number of lawyers.</p>
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