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Culture on the Couch: Obama and Wright: One’s Own Brother as Destroyer

The story is as old as Cain and Abel.
Jealous that his younger brother’s sacrifice seemed more pleasing, Cain stuck his brother down.

Striking down. Striking against. In any group that has struggled so, this is not as rare an occurrence as one would wish. It’s often ubiquitous.

There’s an old story told amongst Latinos,

An Anglo and a Latino went crab gathering one night.
Down to the shore they trudged, and soon their metal buckets were full of live crabs all waving their claws.
As they walked back up the hill, the Anglo man noticed the Latino had forgotten to put the lid on his can of crabs.

–Hey man, put the lid on the can, otherwise the crabs will crawl out.
–Nah, said the other man, These are Latino crabs, the minute one tries to rise to the top, the others will pull him back down.

I’ve heard the same tale told, only with a Black man and a White man going craw-daddying.

The same joke could be told and understood immediately by any minority group, any group oppressed for generations, also by people from the majority who are highly competitive — against the odds– within their own sport, business niche, any life or death, any group endeavor.

There’s a factor in the psychology of remembered oppression, current oppression or striving together against the odds, ‘the man,’ against the machine… something that requires a mantra that goes something like this: We’re together, together, together, we have to stick together, we have nothing if we don’t stick together. No calling others of one’s group out, no contradicting one another publicly.

And it is true. In travail, in la lucha, struggle, there is more strength together than apart.

But, whether it be the child of non-literate people who wants to go to school; whether it be a woman who leaves the barrio to try to run for legislative office to help others, whether it be a man running for president… high ideals are sometimes overshadowed and attacked by some who assiduously tie weights to the ankles of the one rising… sabotage by members of the very group one came from.

Why? Rising stars are perceived as disloyal abandoners by some.
In group-psychology, the issue of abandonment can be catalyzed by feeling excluded from shine equal to the ‘shiny one”… This reaction can create chaos for the one trying to rise beyond the status quo… no matter how high they’re already risen. As they try to ascend further, some feel provoked… left out… led to unfair exposure… and they jump to provide the drag, the block and tackle.

As some in the northwoods where I grew up used to say of jealous people: ‘Y’ain’t goin nowhere without their face stuck right beside yours. Negatory or pository.’

I’m not going to diagnose Reverend Wright nor Senator Obama, but to observe what goes on in a psychology of groups when one of the group members pulls way out in front. At the end of this article, I have in the Coda, placed a couple observations about the nature of the Obama/Wright relationship. It was more than a friendship; it was a consecrated relationship, and therefore, all anger and counter anger and disappointment aside, has to be all the more devastating for its severing.

In any group, some are more dependent on the group as granter of one’s central sense of selfhood. Others depend more on themselves –and their competition not with others, but with themselves– as the main determinant for sense of selfhood. Some cleave to some of each.

There are many ‘group-personal identity’ patterns, but sooner or later, as one who is ‘more of the world,’ rises, sometimes those who derive their worth from being at the group hub…feel diminished, dethroned, pushed to the outer edge by lack of being applauded or associated in the way they wish… with ‘the rising one.’

They thereby begin to feel deprived of importance not only in relation to that person, but — and this is the central threat or wound– DEPRIVED OF IMPORTANCE to the GROUP.

This fear of being demoted as center of the group, is perceived as not one, but two very serious blows.
–One between person and rising one.
–One with regard to group status.

It doesn’t matter how much honor or wealth or gratitude the wounded person’s been given previously or presently…

As they used to say, again, in the backwoods: ‘He got a hole in the side of his bucket, no matter how much you pour in, it come streaming out the side and he wants ever more.’

Depending on how fragile the ego is, or how wholly built on group granting of selfhood, this feeling of being demoted or made irrelevant can be devastating, angering.

Envy begins to grow atop of abandonment, and in that person’s mind, this untenable position calls for aggressive self-vindication, if not by reasserting themselves with the rising one, then at the least to somehow coalesce the group around themselves again… by sometimes out-of-the-ordinary means…

Downgrading the rising one
There is a scramble then to reassert one’s power and authority over the group… by downgrading the one who is rising, by sequestering the group from them, by saying this group is misunderstood and must soldier on together against the alien forces the rising one has unfaithfully exposed them all to.

In some individuals in closely identified groups, most abandonment fears are unconscious… until or unless they gather enough pressure within a person, and break to the surface, most often in displays of
–whispering about the rising one’s perceived shortcomings behind their back,
–then scornful indifference,
–then aggressive attacks that impugn the ‘abandoner’s’ motives and character…

all these are meant to underline, ‘He or she is NOT like us. They have ‘gone to the other side.’ They have forgotten us. They’re all in it for themselves. They have gotten others to be against us. They’re stupid and dangerous. They are now our common enemy.’

All these are done to coalesce the group around the one who fears demotion. Although the words appear to be for the sake of the protection of the group, they are really to hold the person together who fears no longer showing up on the radar compared to the huge star of the group that is still in rising mode.

If the pressure coming from abandonment and sudden fear of being displaced or seen as inferior or provincial, continues, envy often grows under the guise of cold anger that drives a detractor to attempt to overshadow their envied one.

Who are you to want to learn to read? (you’ll leave us.) Who are you to try for the brass ring? (You’ll forget us). Who are you to try to capture a high office? (You’ll betray us). These are typical unconscious contents.

And so is this one when reaction becomes extreme: ‘Who are you to try for highest anything? (POTUS, for instance?) unless you carry me too, take me with you everywhere, make me recipient of your new privilege, debut me, promote me, help me in every way, give me my due, get me the paybacks I deserve, let me eat off your plate, take shine for your achievements as they are now mine also.’

The psyche of the person feeling abandonment and envy has mistaken that the rising person is being elevated to God status, instead of just a very elaborate form of chief office manager in their calling, whatever that may be.

Thus fears of being left behind, fear of no longer being favored, fear of others’ influences that may demote them in the rising person’s eyes,…fear that the shining boy or girl will now encounter others who are wiser, more impressive… all these add into the fears of being forgotten… erased. Made undead. Falling from the center focus of the group as the group moved to place the rising one at their center.

It’s complicated and can give a headache to parse the machinations of it all.

However, it is a part of personal human behavior that can affect large numbers of people. What was once veneration, turns to vitriol… is not about the person envied; it tells of the extreme axis in the psyche that has no middle ground between deifying and demonizing.

In fairness, the one who envies has often contributed much. But also in fairness, they desire–to their own detriment– to be as important as the one whose fate is different than theirs, whose work has led them to a different outcome than their own.

Thus the subtext of the self-avenging rhetoric is: ‘I told you so, he’s leaving us, has distorted what we’re about, is self-centered, just a hack, is abandoning us for his or her own ambitions, walking on our bones and leaving us, brought brimstone down on our heads, has broken our secrets, talked against us’ …and on.

The rising one may never know exactly what word was said or not said, what exact action was done or not done, to catalyze all this opprobrium from ‘one’s own’. They may not realize that often in minority groups there are those who base their entire sense of self on teasing out the most minute as well as the most enormous offenses against themselves and the group.

Pouncing and condemnation might be their only way of acting heroic. This can be an important maturation phase on the way to a far more balanced way of seeing life from all angles instead of only the deleterious “look at what they’re doing to us now” ones.

It’s useful to consider that unrelenting grandiose accusations are often adrenalin producing and therefore often far more exciting to the person making them, than say the patience it takes to listen, bridge, understand, weave. Thus declaiming the negative can become a most self-invigorating way of perceiving the world.

As a child and woman from a minority immigrant family, I’ve passed through this defensive rendering in some part in my earlier life too. And, it’ one thing to pass through a belligerent and defensive mindset that is, for many, a process of breaking one’s heart over what one finds true evidence of in the world… somehow making the heart larger, far more warrior capable of looking for the way through, for what crosses over, for the good to stand on as fundament.

But, it’s quite another thing to remain addicted to odium and accusation, and to waste away, ironically becoming louder and louder, whilst growing smaller and smaller.

CODA
It may be worth mentioning, that persons who ascend a sudden or very public ‘ladder of success’ are often shocked when they first realize the envy some madly knit up toward them. Envy is often caused by forgetting what we ourselves are called to and instead wanting to jump into what the ‘envied one’ is called to.

Among other things, the envier imagines the envied one has not and does not suffer for all they’ve come to , that all they have accomplished… cost no bloodshed. It did cost however, and plenty. But, enviers imagine that only they themselves suffer greatly. Thereby the envier decides the envied one must be punished.

I don’t think Senator and Mrs. Obama were slow to cut bait with regard to Reverend Wright because they were being political. I think it is because to be betrayed by someone who said they had your every spiritual and psychic welfare in mind to the ends of the earth, and especially who touched the foreheads of your most precious babies to bring them into the Kingdom of God… it’s just hard to register, let alone accept, that a promise so huge could be broken so heedlessly.

When such blatant broken promises occur, the mind initially tries to apply rational measurements to the envier’s irrational behavior… but keeps coming up with 2 plus 2 equal 5. The ‘rising person’ is bewildered and keeps adding the sum and keeps coming to no understanding. They ask, ‘Did I do this, or that wrong? Could I have done differently? How have I offended?’

This agonizing pulls the envied person out of their ‘rising cycle,’ and instead of putting their one precious life at the center of their days, they are dragged into spending inordinate amounts of time worrying about the envier…. who is trying to steal massive amounts of energy from them by making themselves and their complaints the center of everything.

Usually, after a tortured period of time and self-questioning. and after perhaps trying to reach out to find out why this sudden opprobrium has surfaced, but with no result…then it’s properly decided that the envied one does not have to understand the other person’s underlying motives, but rather must move to protect themselves and their family and their own psychic energy… by cutting quick and clean.

Most persons I’ve witnessed who’ve had to sever such an important formerly ‘sealed-promise relationship,’ have done so at last– with exasperation, but also with a sadness that will be remembered lifelong. The entire episode becomes a lesson about a twist of human nature, even consecrated human nature, that no one ever wanted to learn.

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If you would like to read a column I filed at The National Catholic Reporter today, entitled: Abre la puerta, Open the Door, on how we might recover from intrusions by those who say they’re holy but who have acted in unholy ways that injured others badly, it is here for you.

  • Leebot
    Thank you for this wonderful, insightful post. It explains so much, and I end my day on a note of understanding and empathy. You remind me of the book I read many years ago, "Manchild in the Promised Land" about this very thing.

    I am saddened for Obama in this difficult situation, just as I felt sad years ago when Hillary Clinton was publicly humiliated by her own husband's betrayal. I would no more expect that I had a right to substitute my judgment for Obama's in how to handle this very personal relationship, and I would not second-guess what he might have known vs. what he might have had to be clairvoyant to know, any more than I would presume to judge Hillary for the choices she made in her marriage.

    (As an aside -- I wonder if Bill's occasional impolitic remarks and temper flareups on the campaign trail may mirror a similar kind of jealous sabotage?)

    I am also saddened because of how this job search for the CEO of the United States has become so lobotomized. There are so many pressing issues we face as a nation, and so many other relevant measures of a candidate's core beliefs and talents -- more relevant than passing judgment on every person of influence in his or her life, or perusing one's kindergarten scrawls and then playing Thought Police. Do we really think Obama is this empty vessel who completely assimilates his minister's every thought, every opinion, every flaw? Or can we give him credit for being a grownup, capable of discernment, capable of handling relationships with complex, imperfect humans as did Jesus himself?

    I would never pass muster for public office. A minister whose church I attended for many years -- who happened to be widely loved and respected, a brilliant, dynamic and engaging speaker whose sermon tapes were in high demand, someone who built a tiny church into a huge congregation with a strong fellowship, a published author, someone whose life story was an example of transformational change, whose message made spiritual principles relevant to daily life, who inspired and challenged so many . .. ultimately this minister was embroiled in a scandal over finances. To this day we never really learned what happened, or to the degree the minister was complicit, but it was a devastating blow for the congregants, many of whom felt betrayed, many of whom lent money in good faith and never saw it again. Many of us could not reconcile such an intelligent and spiritual leader with possible wrong-doing, but could we have foreseen it? No, many of us could not have.

    Sometimes it is easy to confuse the message with the messenger, but spiritual principles INTERNALIZED is not dependent on the priest, or the minister, or the personality.

    Again, thank you. This column is a real keeper.
  • archangel
    dear Leebot, that is a poignant story about the minister of your previous church. I am most sorry such a dynamic person hurt others in seeming negligence at the least

    that kind of goodness, larded with willful 'not-goodness' is so unexpected by most, as you mentioned. I was thinking similarly in listening to some of Reverend Wright's declamations, nodding yes, yes, that's right, that's right, but then... no no no, that's not only wrong, that's deadly wrong. Wait wait, how can such an obviously sincere person be carried into saying such hurtful things with such vehemence? and sometimes seeming, vengeance?

    Preaching loathing and shaming of others, from what is supposed to be a sanctified voice seems dischordant

    But then, Leebot, I think of Father Coughlin, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Coughlin a Roman Catholic priest who is sometimes called the father of hate radio. Consecration, as you pointed out, does not always mean adding to the world, instead of dividing or taking from it in self-interest.

    I appreciate you sharing your story with us, and I agree and will write more on it... that who associates to you, and who may have been in your life previous, may have little to do with who/ how you are today. One of our other assistant editors at TMV wrote today that if we were all judged by our previous associates, none of us would pass what i'd call 'the impossible purity test.'

    It's muckraking to pound, as Obama put it, on someone's 'crazy uncle,' but even more so, I think, it seems like some kind of corporate substitute for real investigative news... Sort of like subsituting cardboard for freshly baked bread, and hoping we wont notice. But, I havent met a soul yet who doesnt notice the difference

    I think the weakest point of Sen Obama's on all this... may be how he could go to church for 20 years, bring all his family rituals before pastor Wright, and never know his way of seeing things. That continues to stand out as flashing red lights.

    I do know my own pastor's biases, (he's been our pastor for 13 years) even though I dont agree with some of his emphases they are truly mild and innocent ones, but... I wouldnt be shocked to know he held his biases that way.

    He too baptized, married and buried my family members. And, is a dear person, very elderly now. I know the parameters of his preaching pretty thoroughly. It's still a puzzle to me that Obama didnt know his own guy's range of beliefs. I think many people find the content of 'why not' less important, than how Senator Obama takes in information and processes it when matters are extreme

    we shall see

    dr.e
  • Marlowecan
    This is an interesting piece by Dr. E., for Wright's actions re: Obama seem to come from some complex psychological/sociological situation.

    Folks have theorized some Clinton intrique behind this. Yet I was struck by Wright's happily smiling face as he effectively tore into Obama. He was enjoying it.

    I suspect Dr. E. is right on Wright...there was a social and a psychological impetus behind Wright's otherwise puzzling actions. Obama did NOT throw Wright under the bus earlier...yet Wright is clearly sandbagging Obama's campaign in a hateful manner.

    Dr. E said: " how he [Obama] could go to church for 20 years, bring all his family rituals before pastor Wright, and never know his way of seeing things. That continues to stand out as flashing red lights."

    Yes, that is the rub. Will Americans be troubled by this question is the key issue for Obama's future? Rev. Wright is clearly a complex piece of work...but Obama seems to have trusted him. What does this say about Obama?
  • CStanley
    There is one point that rings especially true to my ears:
    In any group, some are more dependent on the group as granter of one’s central sense of selfhood. Others depend more on themselves –and their competition not with others, but with themselves– as the main determinant for sense of selfhood. Some cleave to some of each.
    There are many ‘group-personal identity’ patterns, but sooner or later, as one who is ‘more of the world,’ rises, sometimes those who derive their worth from being at the group hub…feel diminished, dethroned, pushed to the outer edge by lack of being applauded or associated in the way they wish… with ‘the rising one.’
    They thereby begin to feel deprived of importance not only in relation to that person, but — and this is the central threat or wound– DEPRIVED OF IMPORTANCE to the GROUP.

    And as a tangential point, I feel that not only do the people who derive their importance from the group try to drag down the ones that they feel are rising in importance, but they also develop a need to keep the entire group down. In the crab story, it would be like having a crab or two in the bucket that would actually bar the entire exit of the group from the bucket; it's not only a matter of importance for them to pull down competitors, but also to make sure everyone stays in the bucket because in the world outside the bucket, that one 'leader' crab would be lost and without identity.

    I feel this is important to note because it's how I see Rev. Wright and many other black leaders of our time. The type of worldview that they promote, which nurtures grudges rather than promoting healing, seems bent on keeping blacks 'in the bucket' so to speak. Obama appears to want to move past that, and his rebuke of Wright yesterday may help. I have no idea if it will help his campaign move past this; it may well be too little, too late (to me, for example, the implications go beyond race or even domestic politics, and into the realm of how Obama might act too gracious and conciliatory toward leaders of rogue nations.) But regardless of whether or not Obama becomes our next president, I'm hopeful that he may be a transformative black leader because he now seems willing to tell the black leaders of the past that it's time to move on and let everyone rise up.
  • archangel
    dear marlowecan
    thank you for your comments, and "what does that say about Obama?" you wrote.

    I think you hit the smart question that many are asking themselves in one version or another. I think the average person might say, like Leebot above, well, stranger things have happened to all of us. So what?

    I think many people have a generosity of spirit that allows them insight into others' shortcomings, but forgives, or helps, or flows around those peaceably

    Yet. He's running to be leader of a nation. The average Joe isnt going to be putting together McCain's ads (if Obama wins the nom). I sense that they'll be on the order of, if he couldnt read character here, can he read character or anticipate moves by other nations, etc.

    Not exactly a fair question, considering Pearl Harbor and 9-11, and other 'misreadings' of gathering storms data.

    Just for masochism's sake I sometimes spend time in the archives of the FBI in the jillions of pages of 'released' data with all the blackouts and such, but also warning reports from the 40s and 50s that are, in retrospect, clearly prescient in certain ways.

    It is amazing the amount of data a POTUS would have to sort through in terms of 'intelligence... They couldn't. The number of reports from various departments and the number of pages, densely written, is too vast on a daily basis.

    A POTUS'd have to RELY on someone ELSE to sort through and advise them on all these matters of defense, foreign relations, trade gaps, and endless departments of what-not.

    Who the POTUS chooses to do THAT would be more critical than whether they saw a blustery, old-guard pastor coming at them with headlights turned off....

    We've seen what happens when poor choices are made for advisors... over several administrations. Robert Strange McNamara, the former Sec of Defense who led the path to hell in Viet Nam, comes to mind, for one... he being also, one of the notable few who made an effort in later years, in his own way, to say he was wrong. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_McNamara

    dr.e
  • archangel
    dear CStanley
    salient, your analysis, I think, CS.

    How can we go up the stairs when some nail the hems of our skirts/ trousers to the bottom step? Bucket psychology. Right.

    you said it well. As I read your comments, I mused that to say such analyses out loud, even ten years ago, was considered outré in the extreme. That such as you wrote can be said... and by many in some version... today, to me, indicates that people must no longer muffle a reality that literally does withhold options from the individual

    that's progress, I think. And hope.

    There's an idea in psychology of groups... of repetative or defensive self-wounding in tribal groups, meant to show endurance, even when there is no need to show it. It is ritualized wounding. Some days I think it's a wonderous thing that we ever made it down from the trees....

    and I like trees, still. lol

    dr.e
  • runasim
    As a rule, I'm not comfortable with psychoanalyses from afar, without personall and intimate knowledge. Like FBI profiles, general rules of psychology don't necessarily apply to particular strangers.

    This is so interesitng, though, that I break my own rule, while still applying big grains of salt to anything I read or think.

    Dr. E has written most eloquently from one intriguing angle. In truth, there are so many angles from which to look at this, there is enough material for several Greek tragedies.
    Yes, I think we are seeing a tagedy, no matter how you look at it.

    I'm fascinated by the relationship between Wright and Obama. As Obama's father has been absent, I suspect Wright was a father subsittue, at least to some degree.
    A preacher who knows them both explained (via Charlie Rose) that their relationship was close but consisted largely of debate rather than obedience. That would be much like what happens when a son asserts his independent thinking.

    I can imagine a lot of pain for both men, when politics forced them apartt, each feeling betrayed by the other.

    It's tragic for Obama, because the older man was ruining his candicacy. a historic chance of a lifetime, not only for hiim but for all blacks and the nation. He would have expected the 'father' in Wright to understand that and to help, not to hinder.
    That didn't happen.

    It's tragic for Wright, because he was abandoned while being pilloried by the media. He and his career of 40 years were being reduced to a caricature. His life and his family's lives were being threatened. This is what he got for having a famous congregant.
    He would have expected the 'son' in Obama to come to his defense, but that didn't happen.

    Out of the limelight, they could have continued to 'benefit from this 'son-father' relationship for many more long years, taking the love and respect and continuing their debates: the normal stuff of any relationship.

    I feel tremendous sadness for both men and their families.
    A lot of hurt with no resolution possible, at least not for a long while.

    PS Just remember the grain of salt about their relationship. I have no personall knowledge.
  • denisedh
    Thank you Dr. E. If you don't mind, I'd like to use this column as food for thought with my trainees (I am a psychologist) in discussions of culture and ethnicity.
    There is one other piece to the complex issues regarding Obama and Wright. Obama is biracial. He is African and Caucasian, placing him in the difficult position of not being a full-fledged "member" of either group. I have wondered whether his biracial upbringing led him to strive to bring divergent individuals together based on their commonalities. Biracial people are in a difficult position with respect to their dual ethnic groups; I wouldn't be surprised if Obama has experienced a similar sort of treatment (embrace but deride) throughout his life, albeit not in a public forum.
  • CStanley
    Another side point, Dr E, that I'd like to hear your impression of.

    The point that I made about a leader of a minority group applies to other situations as well, I think. I was involved in a start up nonprofit group for a number of years, and the other key person who was heading it had a dual role. She worked in the same field, but for profit- and she saw herself in various ways as being able to perform both the for-profit and the not-for-profit roles, without understanding some of the conflict of interest there. Fortunately over several years and building a stronger board of directors, we were able to help her move to a more appropriate role and manage the conflict of interest effectively.

    I see this in leaders in general oftentimes; a certain amount of ego and even narcissistic ambition is probably essential in their characters. But at some point a line is crossed, so that the person is unable to see the line between their own self interest and the interest of the group.

    Do you agree with this assessment generally, and do you agree that it also applies to the minority leaders who can't leave aside the bucket psychology because it would destroy their ambitions and even their identity?
  • runasim
    On another track:

    Why is out foremost instinct tuned to finding out who did what wrong, and who is to blame? Few seem to be interested in the lives of the hapless crabs. We're just happy to note what they're doing wrong and to condemn them for it.

    Did anyone look to see if the crabs intended to pull others down, or whether they were just scrambling to get out of the pot to save their lives, and the fate of the others was accidental?
    And what about the well documented effects of stress? The crabs were ripped from their natural habitat, and they must have felt the threat of imminent death hovering. Big time stress there!

    Meanwhile, the craw-daddyers (is there such a word?) are making note of bad crab behavior while licking their lips in gleeful anticipation of the slaughter and fine meal to come. They have no right to feel superior in the quest for survival.

    I wonder what the crabs' lawyer would say in a morality court.
    What would the judge and jury say?

    There is much more to the saga of the crabs than just crab behavior!
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    Sorry, Dr. E,
    I couldn't help myself. There are just so many angles and claws to this story!
  • CStanley
    Runasim- why presume that any critique of the crab behavior is malicious in nature instead of constructive though? As Dr. E mentioned, in the past we couldn't speak of such criticisms for fear of being thought of that way. I'd like to think that we really have moved past that, but your comment seems to take us back there because although I'm not sure whether or not you were implicating me in the 'blame' scenario, I see a certain amount of presumption there. The fact is that if I could, I would personally lift all of the 'crabs' out, not to eat them but to free them. If I see some crabs holding the group back from freedom, how is it that I shouldn't be permitted to say so? And if I'm right, then isn't it in the interest of the crabs that we should speak of it?

    That's not to say that this is the sole factor that is driving inequality between the races, but if it's a problem as I believe it is, then it's important for it to be spoken of frankly. And in my second comment, I was trying to point out that I don't think that black leaders INTEND to cause more harm than good, I think it's a product of that same phenomenon that I noted in other groups- leaders who can't distinguish between self interest and the interest of a group.
  • mikkel
    I throughly enjoyed the column but I have an open question:

    I've seen the group dynamics you speak of (in nearly any group) very often, but what normally happens is that the people that do go on to bigger and better things end up becoming resentful and hateful towards their previous acquaintances. This is especially pronounced in immigrants I've worked with. It is to the point where they have lost almost all insight into how to actually interact with their prior groups in a productive way and it's a real shame because they "know the language" and could help.

    Actually I'm not sure how to phrase it as a question but I think my thoughts are self evident.
  • bacalove
    Hillary supporter, Dr. Rev. Barbara Reynolds is a media consultant who has endorsed Hillary on her website: Reynoldsnews.com., and that in a spirit of enthusiasm, reached out to Rev. Wright and tempted him to tell his story at the Press Club to redeem his good name, and the good Rev. Wright took the "bite." This ploy and scheme by Hillary supporter, Dr. Reynolds backfired and has helped Barack redeem his campaign and find his voice!

    Let's be Clear: There was a time when Rev. Jeremiah Wright was once higly respected and sought after, hence his trip to the White House invited by Bill and Hillary Clinton for Prayer and Support when they were going through Bill's Impeachment time. Some of Hillary's strongest surrogates also have close ties to Rev. Wright, Shiela Jackson Lee and Rev. Marcia Dyson!

    Going forward, however, Barack has to reiterrate all that got people interested in his campaign in the first place, the fact that he does stand for unity and for reaching out to all classes of people, which deflects that he is an elitist. That he works and stands for the working people and that he always has. That to get anything passed these days you need Change in Washington, away from Corporations and the special interest and invest in people! There comes a time in each Society for the sake of survival, they must Change and As a man of "goodwill", it was hard for Barack to see the egomaniac in Wright. However, when it became clear by the total spectacle Wright made of himself in front of national TV on all Three (3) cable-news channels, which played his Entire Speech -- something usually only Reserved for Presidents! And, Barack was right to divorce himself from Wright for the sake of the work and change he is trying to bring to the people. One Ego or a few Egos cannot or should not get in the way of the "Good" of the Whole!

    And yes, it was time for an amicable Parting of the Ways between Barack and Rev. Wright who has definitely put a sword in his side. I now understand why Barack thinks some people are bitter -- he has been conditioned to think that way by the bitterness of his former Pastor, to think that some people are bitter, although Barack was not subject to this bitterness himself but was able to overcome this conditioning and escape it rather incorporating the engery of unity, goodwill and hope, instead! I hope, we the people, will not be blindsided by the onslaught of the Two-Headed Giant -- Clintons & Republican-Controlled Media -- directed at this Candidate of Change and Hope we have in Barack Obama and miss the boat again, by allowing him to be "Swiftboated"!

    Barack "Investing in People!"
  • archangel
    dear mikkel, very very insightful observation re many immigrants who 'made it or are making it' at least in the views of their core group... whatever 'making it' it means to them... and do not turn back to help others, or remain aloof from their core group

    It's a poignant issue.

    Part I think could be strengthened by learning to cope with pot shots from one's own group, understanding the frailty behind those... essentially learning how to deal with subtle and overt envy in the core group that is still striving to climb, or isnt trying, or hopes to one day try.

    That's not usually a skill we were born with-- it has to be learned step by step, what to say, what attitude and tone to use, how to hold the line yet give rich encouragement to others without falling backward from the weight of sideways remarks. Those sideways remarks, sometimes belittling, sometimes taunting or mocking or said in quasi jest are the ones that often make the 'rising person' not want to be near.

    I've seen the struggle in my native american communities, where native authors rise up, and others who feel they have worked as hard, have not... and in close cultures, sometimes people who are not yet acheiving as much as they hope to, want those rising to help them..but often that is not within the power of the person to do.

    Some of their core group may have fantasies about how many contacts and what huge power the rising one has. Usually, it's just that. A fantasy. They dont have power to direct the wind. Wind power has to come from each individual ... and then there is calling... and unforeseen destiny too that enter the mix.

    I think mikkel, your point of 'becoming resentful and hateful' is from having likely been sideswiped or insulted by some of their own, who were not appreciative of all the hard work it took that person to rise... as well as perhaps too much contact with some who want the same but are not willing to work hard and daily, for it, or want it given as a fait accompli.

    Could I put it this way? You have to develop cojones o ovarios to deal with your own people's fears and their striking out against, even when they dont really mean to; the criticisms just 'jump out' into some and spew outward. It's a learning process. I think the category is: Love of Humanity... an easy idea, sometimes a difficult day to day walk.

    I think mikkel, think about how to teach the NEW useful attitude required, and the NEW effective words and heart understandings, and the new personal limits that need be put in place. Perhaps then, some will be able to 'stand' to turn toward previous bonds without feeling poorly after.

    Frankly, like Sen Obama perhaps, most people who rise never expect the slash and burn to come from their own people or former acquaintances. I think, once the underlying fragility behind all that is better understood however, the 'star' has a chance, at least a change to make a choice to take a compassionate view over a resentful view.

    your unphrased question was a good one

    dr.e
  • runasim
    CStanley,
    You are putting words in my mouth.
    I didn't even consideri motivations, malicious or, humanitrian or otherwise.

    I just noticed the tendency to find the culprit before anything much is understood about the situation or people involved. Maybe it's just that in our hurry-hurry world, we want the quick answer, the quick fix.

    Contrary to what you read into my comments, I think it's important to get many different angles on the crab story. Maybe if we photograph the crabs from all angles, a crredible composite picture would emerge, and all our judgments would be better informed.

    In other words, I was looking at the crabs from an angle that hadn't been considered in the post or earlier comments. I find all angles interesing, when it comes to crab or human behavior.

    I also find it interesting that we all, including myself, are eager to find answers before we even know what the questions ought ot be.

    I have a dual math/psych degree, so I'm an addicted people watcher.
  • CStanley
    Runasim, OK, point taken, but I disagree I guess that a snap judgment is being made. I for one have held these opinions in general about leaders in minority communities for many years (and have seen the parallels that I've mentioned with leaders in general who become blinded to the real needs of their community because they've mistakenly assumed that what is in their own self interest is always synonymous with the best interest of the community.)
  • archangel
    dear denisedh, thank you for your comments and your widening out of the premise. That's right on point.

    yes, you may use the piece, just be sure to put a copyright notice next to author's name, and this: For permissions, projectscreener@aol.com

    and that will do, and thank you for asking in advance.

    You and some of the other commenters might like to read this article from TMV "Barack is Not White, Barack is Not Black: The Possible Gift in Being Bi-Racial." It includes my own experience in being bi-racial. It is here for you if you wish to read: http://themoderatevoice.com/society/minorities/...

    dr.e
  • runasim
    I also found Mikkel's question most interesting,
    As seems to be my nature, I thought of another angle (not a better angle, just a different one) to the answer.

    Dr E looked at this from an upward trrajectory: how the tribe reacts to the one who has risen out of it.
    I was thinking in a downward trajectory: how the achiever looks down at the tribe he left behind.

    The achiever may not be 100% confident in his new position, because he is a newcomer and because of his different background. He would want to fit in with the new crowd but he fears his diffferences might prevent that. His disinterest in or spurning of the tribe may simply reflect a fear that the association would hamper progress with his acceptance in his new 'neighborhood'.

    I immigrated here with my parents and the older generation,in our immigrant group, having more problems with English and customs did sometimes provoke a sort of nervousmess when school friends came to visit. Would they be put off by these strange parents?
    That sort of thing usually vanishes with maturity and self confidence, but not always.

    I worked for 20 years in the diamond district in NY, and I noticed that a few Reform Jews, dressing in modern syles, were on occasion embarrassed by the Orthodox, with their conspicuously different clothing and men's hair styles. They seemed to fear that they would be all lumped together in the eye's of outsiders and would lose their own identities as the modern Jews.
  • CStanley
    Absolutely, Runasim, that's precisely the point I was trying to make about leaders who's egos outgrow their usefulness- that that particular phenomenon is not at all related to race or minority groups. It just so happens that when that phenomenon takes place in the context of a minority group leader, the effect is that the group remains entrenched in an undesirable position because that happens to be what furthers the ambitions of the leader and the leader can't see that his own interest is actually holding back the group's progress.

    And I didn't mean to be overly defensive about your remarks; I do agree that we often all tend to respond off the cuff, but I tend to think there's some validity to that as well as long as we're also open to hearing other perspectives. It's perfectly logical to take one's past experiences and judgments and apply them to a new situation to see if it's a fit. We just have to be careful not to force the fit, and to honestly exchange the one judgment for a different one if we see that an alternate viewpoint better explains things.
  • runasim
    CStamley,
    Please, I didn;t say you, in particular, make snap judgmentts.
    But don't you notice how, sometimes within minutes atter a blogger posts about something new, the opions come rolling in?
    Don't you notice how quickly some news disappears, before anyone has had time to really think about it?

    I'm just observing how little time is spent on in-depth thinking and broadening one's horizons.
    I'm happiest when I learn of a new angle, which I hadn't thought of before,.

    I don't disagree with you about your observation of leaders.
    I just happen to think that the ego problem is not limited to minority leaders.
    Why single them out?
    I've seen that happen in PTA meetings, in art groups (oh, my, the egos in art groups) and in most every committed I've ever been part of.

    Isn't that, partly, how we end up with bad governance?

    In brief, you're right, but I have another angle. :)
  • archangel
    dear CStanley, thank you for the question.

    I think, without knowing all the details of the particular situation you explained clearly--I could see it, I believe... I could say something generally though.

    The first thing that stood out was differing mindsets; each different than the other in terms of goal and means to gain goal. Nonproft medicine and for profit medicine, in my experience are very different, both want to remain solvent, but often emphases on mission and/or diversification differs, as well as how to, when to, why to.

    If all are not in agreement on all the bones of how to proceed and to produce, it can be hard to move easily/ expediantly

    that said, my two cents worth is that leadership is a gift in some. They have the knack and we love being near them; they dont want to be a giant, they want to make others giants, is how I would put it. For them, often. ego is concerned with making sure others thrive.

    For those of us who've not carried the charism of mature leadership into this world, we learn it as a skill set. There are, as you know, many paradigms for learning leadership. Many. Some ought be called how to manipulate others. lol. Some could be called, how to develop as a true human being so you can see the depths and hopes and dreams and fears of others and move to grow the first ones and decrease the latter one.

    I think perhaps the last hopefully useful thing I might say re your comment on ego and narcissism, is that in my two cents worth way of thinking, there is a developed ego that follows the soul, and there is an undeveloped ego that doesnt give consult to soul or much else. I think we carry some of both, and the ratios change as we give thought to it all.

    There are stops in between, many of them, as well. How a person rises seems to have a good deal to do with how well their ego is developed to care for and consider others, not just themselves. But to also have clear boundaries, so gifts are not wasted in petty go-rounds. For many, this is a learning process. We all make mistakes in leanring to be. Hopefully we are able to amend those errors and move forward.

    Generally speaking, the way I've come to see it presently, is that ego undeveloped is a little like a darling little monkey that wants every bright shiny thing and has no limits on appetites or ambitions. And, perhaps developed ego is like an older more sagacious monkey, none the less dear, but far more thoughtful about trajectories and consequences of each one; far more invested in relationship in order to work cooperatively, than in 'me first, me always, it's all about me all the time.' Or, all about 'the way I see it, the way I want it to be, know it ought to be.' Same diff.

    Strong mismatches between what undeveloped ego wants and what a more conscious group wants, can cause combustion. Similarly, strong mismatches between a more well developed ego, and a less conscious group can also flame out or just gp dead. (Conscious, in part meaning examining and aware of themselves as individuals, conscious of their own motives, gifts and foibles, their underpnnings, for instance... looking for answers in one's interior and not just 'out there,' for why something did or did not work, for instance)

    To try to answer your last question a little bit CS, I'd reckon that the more one performs for personal motive only rather than for maturation of self and others, the more stuck people can remain. In the bucket.

    A certain nimbleness is required to get out of that bucket if all around are saying, 'this bucket is our only home.'

    It isnt

    And was perhaps meant to be when people needed abject protection.
    Some still need that protection. But some are willing to not just enlarge the bucket, or re-decorate the inside of the bucket, but to leap out of it entirely... exemplar to those who would, and will, follow them. Often the very young.

    I've been a trustee and chaired a state board. It sounds like you have too. You have my condolences and my congratulations. lol
    dr.e
  • archangel
    dear runasim
    i think you have a very sharp insight; re father son. I dont know about Obama per se. But, I do know about 'father hunger'... an opening in the psyche, i'd say, in the shape of a father. A vacant opening that derives from not being cared for consistently... or wisely... or with proximity and love.

    If a boy were abandoned by his father, and then, as an adult man a father figure turned on him.... you are correct, somewhere in the back room of the heart, new grief. And, reprise of first grief

    I've always been impressed with how unrelentingly young children especially, tend to yearn for their parents even when they have the love and care of others, even when the parents are not good to the children

    For most of us in the shrink world, it doesnt go without notice when a public figure has been left by both mother and father, in different ways... not left to fend alone; there were grandparents. Still, we know many of the very young long for 'their real parents' despite either adequate or even very loving care from others

    And, your observation is correct: rampant egotism and self-centeredness and backstabbing, and 'use others bones as my ladder to climb to success' can occur in Little League, PTA, ah help us, Child Beauty Contests, Fund-raising, Committees for Urban Planning, and on. True.

    And there are extra factors that I think apply to a previously oppressed group that do not apply to the PITA who tries to be most important poo-bah in a group of peers who do not, together, share an egregious and life-threatening past history. Tribalism is a form of both protection and restriction at the same time.

    Though I have to say, I would nominate for sainthood those who are assiduously committed to PTA, despite all contraveneing personalities. Oghta be at least a Nobel for some of those folks.

    thank you runasim.

    dr.e
  • Leebot
    Dr. E., the question of Obama's possible mis-reading of Rev. Wright and how that might translate on the national and world stage is absolutely fair, and definitely one that will be resurrected (no pun intended) in the future. I do cringe when candidates open the door to certain levels of scrutiny when they throw down gauntlet statements about their personal religion, or Bosnia adventures, or promises to be "ready from Day One" or even "right from Day One" (puns anticipated). I call it the "Follow-Me-You'll-Be-Bored-Syndrome."

    I don't expect my president to be "Ready" or "Right" from Day One; this is a unique job with unique challenges and I EXPECT there to be a learning curve. And if Obama truly means to get beyond "politics as usual" then he will be charting new territory there as well. The capacity for honest introspection and continuous fine-tuning is an important quality I think -- one that's been lacking in our current president.

    To the extent Obama did know or should have known his pastor's views, I lack sufficient information that would allow me to know what he saw. I could clearly see the Rev. Wright's appeal in his more learned, thoughtful and calm demeanor on Bill Moyers -- but obviously there is the subsequent over-the-top incarnation. I wonder if the Rev. Wright donned a pair of Red Shoes on that occasion, in which he danced to the point of spontaneous combustion in spectacular public fashion -- perhaps to an unprecedented level given the dynamics you describe in this essay.

    No doubt the Republican attack ads will exploit the Rev. Wright connection, but my own amateur psychoanalysis leads to some red flags I see with Senator Clinton as well. ("Is she really tough, or is she one of those types I've seen many times before who is actually galvanized by chaos and conflict, much of it her own making?" Okay, that's a whole 'nother "session" perhaps, but I can envision possible ads and mash-ups exploiting her missteps and snarky remarks in this campaign -- and my imagination is not nearly as diabolical as the Republican attack machine's.)

    Wouldn't it be loverly if we could indeed see the vetting process shift to an emphasis on the positives, as though this really WERE a job interview? At least the interviews I've had, I felt my prospective employer was mostly interested in learning my strengths and how those might lend themselves to the tasks at hand, rather than a big fat Gong Show?
  • pacatrue
    Love this last quote from Leebot, "Wouldn't it be loverly if we could indeed see the vetting process shift to an emphasis on the positives, as though this really WERE a job interview? At least the interviews I've had, I felt my prospective employer was mostly interested in learning my strengths and how those might lend themselves to the tasks at hand, rather than a big fat Gong Show?"
  • spirasol
    Dear Clarissa,
    Thank you for your incredibly insightful article. We are all blessed when you shine your light on a subject. That said, I think, too, it is a very complex issue, and your take, however fascinating, is only one side of it.

    The first time I watched Rev. Wright’s speeches I found myself jumping up and down in my chair. It would have been the only time I would have frantically waved my little American flag on a stick, if I had one. I guess that put’s me out of step with the comments so far. I find myself so starved for the truth, that Rev. Wrights comments were a cause of celebration.

    On some level I think what Rev. Wright did is similar to what Adolph Reed, Jr. is attempting to do in his most recent article, “NO Obama.” (just google it) That is to point out, that the elements in the campaign that made it potentially exciting, not a robust tea but having stronger elements, have been removed and we are stuck with these two democrats who render the tea significantly less potent.

    Wright is right to be bitter. I am. Many unemployed whites who voted against their self interests are. Many Blacks who have made minor inroads, but have been losing ground since the death of ML King are. The one group government seems to be working VERY well for is corporations.

    I feel that all the “socialistic” elements of good governance by and for the people are one by one being obliterated over many years. This is to credit the Repub. Revolution. I think I was naïve and one time believed in the goodness this country espoused to be, but whatever veil I once wore, has been torn aside by the Bush administration. Essentially it seems to me, as it does to Reverend Wright, that to work for the disenfranchised, the marginalized, the down and out, and the desperate elements is to be against government. Oh we have a minor stake in which party gets elected, but the new boss is often much of the same. Thus, of coarse Wright will be there fighting for his congregation, pushing government to do the right thing, be it McCain, Clinton or Obama.

    Obama wants to be all things to all people, promising there is something in if for all. Wright doesn’t believe him and neither does Reed, who exposes Obama as walking the same middle of the road as the Clinton that went before him and the Clinton he now opposes. For Progressives there is nothing in Obama’s record that suggests he will govern from the left or even try to realign the political compass to reestablish the value of the left. (There is no opposition party today both Dems and Repubs govern from the right)

    All this is to say (sorry for my lengthy indulgence) Wright and Reed are also shining a light and ringing a bell trying to wake up those who drank the kool aid, to say, if all you want is to claim the historic right to claim you have elected a black man to the highest office, well, this too will wear thin. Once the celebration wears off, and the gears of daily governance click in, Obama might continue with many of the same policies of today, or offer watered down versions in the name of progress. Much the same could be said of Hillary.
  • archangel
    dear pacatrue, miss you, nice seeing you here again.

    dear spirasol: i think you stated that clearly and many can find a fastening point, for they have their many questions too. I was thinking as I read, that in midlife comes a passage, a narrow one... different things for different people to be challenged by. But, one of the most poignant is to transform what is left after the scales fall away from our eyes and we see what we see, instead of what we were told to see.

    There is also, as my grandmother used to say, more pain for those who row deep than those who row shallow. But, also those who row deep, grow strong. Some of the greatest strengths in black times are understanding and compassion ... and endurance.

    It's just my two cents worth, but I am trying to keep rowing. I hope others will too. Toward a worthy set of real ideas, not rote ones, and ways of living them truly

    dr.e
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