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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/19253/is-it-ever-right-to-stop-talking/comment-page-1/#comment-151554</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:52:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hamas says terrible things and some Israeliis have said terrible things.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The two are hardly the same, not morally equivalent in any way.  It is superficial to the extreme to say they both do bad things, or to use that sappy phrase, &quot;cycle of violence,&quot; which implies they are equally culpable.  Hamas is evil and wishes to destroy Israel and murder Israelis; Israel tries to defend itself, while engaging in the most civilized restraint and making generous and often dangerous compromises time after time.  Every time, agreements are broken by its enemies and the aggression by the enemies continues.  (Kind of like the Soviet Union, which is not merely coincidental since those who supported Israel&#039;s enemies over Israel also in the past supported the Soviets over the USA and demanded we make one-way compromises and concessions, as if we, like Israel, were the bad guys.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hamas says terrible things and some Israeliis have said terrible things.&#8221;</p>
<p>The two are hardly the same, not morally equivalent in any way.  It is superficial to the extreme to say they both do bad things, or to use that sappy phrase, &#8220;cycle of violence,&#8221; which implies they are equally culpable.  Hamas is evil and wishes to destroy Israel and murder Israelis; Israel tries to defend itself, while engaging in the most civilized restraint and making generous and often dangerous compromises time after time.  Every time, agreements are broken by its enemies and the aggression by the enemies continues.  (Kind of like the Soviet Union, which is not merely coincidental since those who supported Israel&#39;s enemies over Israel also in the past supported the Soviets over the USA and demanded we make one-way compromises and concessions, as if we, like Israel, were the bad guys.)</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly and DLS-&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a chicken and egg story.  Who did what to whom first.  Which is action and which is reaction.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hamas says  terrible things and some Israeliis have said terrible things.&lt;br&gt;The only relevant thing now is how to break out of the impasse,.  Or do we jjust continue the cycle of violence until it escaltes beyond control.?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No one refutes that suicide bombers are reprehensible.&lt;br&gt;Israel, like all countriess, has a number of choices,  however, regarding  methods used to stop attacks.  Some are counterprocuctive, and i that&#039;s something Israel and its supporters should reconsider.  &lt;br&gt;Some methods currently used to  counterr terrorism end in producing more terrorism, and the popularity of Hamas grows.  That tells me that some current strategies are counterproductive. and should be reexamined.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the end goal is peace, not  retribuiton, then  it really is time to  appraoch the problem with fresh thinking.  &lt;br&gt;If the end goal is retribution, then there is nothing to talk about or xomplain about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly and DLS-</p>
<p>This is a chicken and egg story.  Who did what to whom first.  Which is action and which is reaction.  </p>
<p>Hamas says  terrible things and some Israeliis have said terrible things.<br />The only relevant thing now is how to break out of the impasse,.  Or do we jjust continue the cycle of violence until it escaltes beyond control.?</p>
<p>No one refutes that suicide bombers are reprehensible.<br />Israel, like all countriess, has a number of choices,  however, regarding  methods used to stop attacks.  Some are counterprocuctive, and i that&#39;s something Israel and its supporters should reconsider.  <br />Some methods currently used to  counterr terrorism end in producing more terrorism, and the popularity of Hamas grows.  That tells me that some current strategies are counterproductive. and should be reexamined.</p>
<p>If the end goal is peace, not  retribuiton, then  it really is time to  appraoch the problem with fresh thinking.  <br />If the end goal is retribution, then there is nothing to talk about or xomplain about.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:53:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aside from the obvious lessons not only from what Holly has said (and, for example, what Arafat used to say in English for Western-dupe consumption versus among his own crowd, in Arabic), and the lessons we&#039;ve classically learned from dealing with Hitler in the past and later with the Soviets (i.e., broken promises, concessions that end up putting ourselves at a disadvantage for mere stupid brief emotional support), don&#039;t forget that the history of the Syrians has been to tell us whatever we want to hear, and then to proceed to do whatever they had been doing or wanted to do next.  And you&#039;re idiots to have any more faith in Iran.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aside from the obvious lessons not only from what Holly has said (and, for example, what Arafat used to say in English for Western-dupe consumption versus among his own crowd, in Arabic), and the lessons we&#39;ve classically learned from dealing with Hitler in the past and later with the Soviets (i.e., broken promises, concessions that end up putting ourselves at a disadvantage for mere stupid brief emotional support), don&#39;t forget that the history of the Syrians has been to tell us whatever we want to hear, and then to proceed to do whatever they had been doing or wanted to do next.  And you&#39;re idiots to have any more faith in Iran.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly_in_Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly_in_Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 22:15:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peaceful Hamas Speaks Out:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Zahar: We have 200,000 suicide bombers&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hamas leader says Israel will pay a heavy price if it rejects the Egyptian cease-fire initiative.&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208870523725&amp;pagename=JPost%252FJPArticle%252FShowFull&quot;&gt;http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peaceful Hamas Speaks Out:</p>
<p><b>Zahar: We have 200,000 suicide bombers</b><br />Hamas leader says Israel will pay a heavy price if it rejects the Egyptian cease-fire initiative.<br /><a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208870523725&#038;pagename=JPost%252FJPArticle%252FShowFull"></a><a href="http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208.." rel="nofollow">http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1208..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: RememberNovember</title>
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		<dc:creator>RememberNovember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:44:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was always under the impression when Diplomacy fails, use force, not the inverse which seems to be the order of the day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was always under the impression when Diplomacy fails, use force, not the inverse which seems to be the order of the day.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 29 Apr 2008 20:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely with the proposition  that dialogue should be continued whereever and whenever it&#039;s possible.&lt;br&gt;If nothing else, it can result in understanding the &#039;enemy&#039; better so as to gauge which additional strategies are more likely to be effective. No other means of communication can replace a face-to-face talk.. a long series of such talks.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not talking, on the other hand,  is much more likely to produce bi-lateral paranoia and otherwise preventable overreacions.  I&#039;ve heard, speculation, for example, that one  reason Iran is so tenaciously pursuing its nuclear program is that it fears an attack by the US, especially after the Axis-of-Evil talk in the wake of  the Iraq invasion., &lt;br&gt;There is no way to know if talking could have changed Iran&#039;ts course,  but the results couldn&#039;t have been worse that what not-talking has produced.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now, of course, the challenges are much greater.   Once an opportunity is lost, it&#039;s lost forever.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely with the proposition  that dialogue should be continued whereever and whenever it&#39;s possible.<br />If nothing else, it can result in understanding the &#39;enemy&#39; better so as to gauge which additional strategies are more likely to be effective. No other means of communication can replace a face-to-face talk.. a long series of such talks.</p>
<p>Not talking, on the other hand,  is much more likely to produce bi-lateral paranoia and otherwise preventable overreacions.  I&#39;ve heard, speculation, for example, that one  reason Iran is so tenaciously pursuing its nuclear program is that it fears an attack by the US, especially after the Axis-of-Evil talk in the wake of  the Iraq invasion., <br />There is no way to know if talking could have changed Iran&#39;ts course,  but the results couldn&#39;t have been worse that what not-talking has produced.  </p>
<p>Now, of course, the challenges are much greater.   Once an opportunity is lost, it&#39;s lost forever.</p>
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