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	<title>Comments on: Welcome To Italy, Mr. Rumsfeld. You Are Hereby Under Arrest For War Crimes</title>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;This is a ideological issue, really.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember Germany and the idiotic claim of universal jurisdiction and prosecuting Rumsfeld and others for &quot;war crimes&quot;?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Same shit, same losers, different day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;This is a ideological issue, really.&#8221;</p>
<p>Remember Germany and the idiotic claim of universal jurisdiction and prosecuting Rumsfeld and others for &#8220;war crimes&#8221;?</p>
<p>Same shit, same losers, different day.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let&#039;s bring them all before Judge Chomsky, right now!  We already know the verdict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let&#39;s bring them all before Judge Chomsky, right now!  We already know the verdict.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 21:29:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;crazed paranoid wingnuts &quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Including the mentally-and-morally-&quot;challenged&quot; leftist dwarfs on this site!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;crazed paranoid wingnuts &#8220;</p>
<p>Including the mentally-and-morally-&#8221;challenged&#8221; leftist dwarfs on this site!</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:46:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You could make significant war crimes arguments against Kennedy, LBJ, and Clinton.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You could make significant war crimes arguments against Kennedy, LBJ, and Clinton.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:09:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowecan,&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;What are we to make of the commenting humanity when even crimes are discussed in a partisan tit-for-tat manner?  I&#039;ll trade you one waterboarding for  two beheadings?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Even assuming that your argument using historical references  to the SSR (which is falsely used as a parallel, btw) is correct,  what does that have to do with current pactices and events?  No one can justify what he does today because someone else did the same yesterday.  That&#039;s something parents teach children before they go to kindergarden.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowecan,</p>
<p>What are we to make of the commenting humanity when even crimes are discussed in a partisan tit-for-tat manner?  I&#39;ll trade you one waterboarding for  two beheadings?</p>
<p>Even assuming that your argument using historical references  to the SSR (which is falsely used as a parallel, btw) is correct,  what does that have to do with current pactices and events?  No one can justify what he does today because someone else did the same yesterday.  That&#39;s something parents teach children before they go to kindergarden.</p>
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		<title>By: RememberNovember</title>
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		<dc:creator>RememberNovember</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 16:04:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is from 2003:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04.htm&quot;&gt;http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;firing on journalists...big damn heroes the lot of em.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is from 2003:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04.htm"></a><a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04.." rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0410-04..</a>.</p>
<p>firing on journalists&#8230;big damn heroes the lot of em.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 14:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowecan: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lurking within your otherwise tiresome ad hominem attack is an intriguing question: What leftist regimes (as opposed to totalitarian Communist regimes) have been accused of war crimes or whose crimes leftists have turned a blind eye to?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having given this considerable thought, I&#039;m drawing a big fat blank.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowecan: </p>
<p>Lurking within your otherwise tiresome ad hominem attack is an intriguing question: What leftist regimes (as opposed to totalitarian Communist regimes) have been accused of war crimes or whose crimes leftists have turned a blind eye to?</p>
<p>Having given this considerable thought, I&#39;m drawing a big fat blank.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Apr 2008 13:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those poor guys on the plane. Really, they should be flying in Business...or at least coach...with dinners, with real forks and knives. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After all, what do those crazed paranoid wingnuts think those poor souls would do...hijack a plane and fly it into a skyscraper?!   Oh, the humanity...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is a ideological issue, really.  I believe, if one is to be just, one must pursue all war criminals and crimes against humanity in proportion to the offense. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider, for example, Shaun&#039;s broad thesis...that ultimately it is a matter of time...and Rummy &amp; Co. will be brought to justice.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This begs the question: Where has this ever happened with someone on the Left accused of crimes against humanity?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is it that the Europeans...and Shaun, of course...focus all attention on the so-called crimes against humanity of Rummy and those on the Right...while completely ignoring those committed on the Left. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Spanish judges so incensed by Pinochet and Rummy could easily be incensed by...say, the East German &quot;shoot to kill&quot; policy for people fleeing the Soviet bloc.   They would not even have to leave Europe...or have a diplomatic crisis...to file an arrest warrant in those cases.  Why have they not to date?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;**Grasshoppers chirping**&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What about Chinese crimes against humanity?  Or those is Islamic countries with petrodollars?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;How many former Soviet bloc torturers and killers are now happily...and safely...wandering the streets of countries that are now members of the EU?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They know that the Spanish judges...of the Left...and journalists like Shaun...also of the Left...will turn a blind eye to their crimes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those poor guys on the plane. Really, they should be flying in Business&#8230;or at least coach&#8230;with dinners, with real forks and knives. </p>
<p>After all, what do those crazed paranoid wingnuts think those poor souls would do&#8230;hijack a plane and fly it into a skyscraper?!   Oh, the humanity&#8230;</p>
<p>This is a ideological issue, really.  I believe, if one is to be just, one must pursue all war criminals and crimes against humanity in proportion to the offense. </p>
<p>Consider, for example, Shaun&#39;s broad thesis&#8230;that ultimately it is a matter of time&#8230;and Rummy &#038; Co. will be brought to justice.</p>
<p>This begs the question: Where has this ever happened with someone on the Left accused of crimes against humanity?  </p>
<p>Why is it that the Europeans&#8230;and Shaun, of course&#8230;focus all attention on the so-called crimes against humanity of Rummy and those on the Right&#8230;while completely ignoring those committed on the Left. </p>
<p>The Spanish judges so incensed by Pinochet and Rummy could easily be incensed by&#8230;say, the East German &#8220;shoot to kill&#8221; policy for people fleeing the Soviet bloc.   They would not even have to leave Europe&#8230;or have a diplomatic crisis&#8230;to file an arrest warrant in those cases.  Why have they not to date?</p>
<p>**Grasshoppers chirping**</p>
<p>What about Chinese crimes against humanity?  Or those is Islamic countries with petrodollars?</p>
<p>How many former Soviet bloc torturers and killers are now happily&#8230;and safely&#8230;wandering the streets of countries that are now members of the EU?</p>
<p>They know that the Spanish judges&#8230;of the Left&#8230;and journalists like Shaun&#8230;also of the Left&#8230;will turn a blind eye to their crimes.</p>
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