Comments on: Twisting the Truth: Hillary, the Popular Vote, and Clintonian Ethics

By: DWSUWF

DWSUWF — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 02:15:03 +0000

@pyronite
Yeah. I see your point. When Obama voluntarily asked for his name to be removed from the Michigan ballot, it was clearly the kind of amateurish mistake and poor judgment that one might expect from somebody who does not have a lot of executive experience. But it was early in the campaign, I don't think we should hold that against him. I have a much bigger problem when , more recently the Obama campaign had an opportunity to correct that mistake, join with Hillary Clinton and work for a re-vote, but chose instead to obstruct and prevented the re-vote from happening. So, given the obstruction of the Obama campaign, there is no choice left but to do the right thing, and count all the votes. That is what good Democrats do.

@elrod
The rules were that the MI and FL votes will not count toward selection of pledged delegates. Those rules have been followed by both Clinton and Obama, and as a result Obama has a lead in pledged delegates. Stipulated. But since Obama has failed to win the nomination with pledged delegates, the same rules say that superdelegates will decide. There are no rules about how candidates can present arguments to the superdelegates. Any Democrat would have to say that it is certainly legitimate for a candidate to make an argument by counting all the people who voted for that candidate. For me that is a pretty good argument. And Obama supporters are free to make the argument that Obama should be nominated because the voters of Michigan and Florida should be disenfranchised. Go for it.

By: elrod

elrod — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:56:45 +0000

DWS,
Talk to the state parties for breaking DNC rules. Just because you host an election doesn't mean it counts. The DNC has to certify it. I could hold an election in my backyard, declare Obama the victor, and demand that the Tennessee delegation be given to Obama because the state vote was illegitimate. Who would adjudicate such a dispute? The DNC.

By: Pyronite

Pyronite — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 00:33:12 +0000

I'm glad to see that we're taking our democratic cues from the great nation of Haiti. Maybe next time we'll have TWO people on the ballot, and one can even go on tv!

By: DWSUWF

DWSUWF — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:22:02 +0000

Lets talk about facts. 15,095,663 real live registered Democratic and Independent American voters took time out of their day, walked into a voting booth or caucus and cast a vote for Hillary Clinton in elections that were certified by their respective states. That cannot be argued, It cannot be disputed. It is reality. It is a fact.

Which of those Americans do you want to disenfranchise again, Michael?

By: RememberNovember

RememberNovember — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 19:53:56 +0000

There is a spurious lack of fact-checking going on in the media. I for one think the MSM need to go through re-certification, much like IT techs, doctors,other health care and professionals have to. Awards for political boot-licking don't count. They are the one industry that has an entropic slack factor.