Comments on: Five Weeks, Five Days

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 25 Apr 2008 22:32:30 +0000

Davebo, I'm hard on Florida and Michigan and have called them outlaws, but I am making a distinction between the voters, who actually had no say in when their election would be held, and the party elites who are in government and who chose to conduct illegitimate elections that are responsible for stripping of the delegates.

I believe rules are rules and that the MI and FL delegates should not be seated. However, as it is the Democratic Party we're discussing, obviously there is a likely chance the rules will be disregarded (violated or an end-run engineered in some way — they tried to steal the White House in 2000 after losing it, after all), and there is indeed a factual basis for expressing sympathy for the voters. I already have made the distinction between those who feel cheated and the idiots and the very dishonest who say that the election results are valid and so the delegates not only should be seated, but according to those “valid” election results (which is now the position of the Clinton campaign).

I've been more harsh than you've been on those two outlaw or “rogue” states. But this is a close race and given the additional delegates at stake, realistically you cannot assume that these states will be ignored. (This is not the same as the dishonest inclusion of delegate counts based on “valid” elections from those states, as the Clinton campaign has done.) There's no telling what may happen with them.

By: Davebo

Davebo — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 20:02:03 +0000

Just to correct DLS.

He said “who feel swindled by the misconduct of their party elites in those states.”

They have only themselves to blame. Unless all of the states voters now make up the “party elite”.

By: DLS

DLS — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 16:12:59 +0000

I'll be the rare one here and remind you of the facts that a) the Dem contest hasn't ben won yet, and that b) it's likely and even sensible for Clinton to remain in it all the way to the Dems' convention. And I'm not alone: just ask the people in Florida and Michigan (not the low-IQ, low-morality crowd who want unconditional seating of delegates from those states or — including Clinton's campaign manager — who says [now] that the elections were completely valid and their results valid) who feel swindled by the misconduct of their party elites in those states.

The so-called “pundits” (out-pundited often by people on this site, another fact that some may find inconvenient) aren't so much perpetuating it but (as on here) rather over-analyzing and speculating and “spinning” what is happening to the worst extremes.

By: vwcat

vwcat — Thu, 24 Apr 2008 14:47:04 +0000

The pundits are keeping this thing going long after the thing has been over. Even with the pledged delegates lost to Hillary and no path for her to win, they keep hyping this like it's a real race.
Also, now we have the problem of the media suddenly piling on Obama and trying to paint him as McGovern, ect., and all the other media created garbage. Partly for ratings and partly to try to make people have buyers remorse and worry for the supers so they can keep this going until the convention.
It's stupid and exhausting.