Comments on: Hillary Clinton’s New “Who Do You Think Has What It Takes” Campaign Ad Shows Osama bin Laden (UPDATED)

By: runasim

runasim — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:30:32 +0000

If it's wrong when one party does it, it's worng when another does it.
Period.

By: Davebo

Davebo — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 20:12:16 +0000

I see it as a horrible idea for Hillary.

Is she saying, vote for me and if bin Laden does something bad you can count on my reaction.

So if bin Laden attacks the US again Hillary will get all hawkish and authorize an invasion of Belgium or something?

She indeed has experience making important foreign policy choices, and she's really really bad at it.

By: Jillmz

Jillmz — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:47:23 +0000

I'm more down with what Mikkel writes re: very DLC establishment – not a GOPper.

By: mikkel

mikkel — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 19:08:59 +0000

Anyone that thinks she's even close to running as a Republican needs to look at their McCain's actual suggestions. It's ludicrous to smear her with that.

She is just running as an establishment candidate that all establishment candidates run as since the beginning of time.

By: Mike_P

Mike_P — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:58:53 +0000

Look, there's nothing wrong with Hillary using the Republican playbook – she's running as a Republican.

Unfortunately for her, she's running in the Democratic primary.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:56:51 +0000

Jill,
The larger question, of course, is whether or not you agree with Bill Clinton's previous statement.

By: Jillmz

Jillmz — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:50:12 +0000

Chris – I really do not want to go there. I'm not sure, but I bet that that has been hashed out here many times, probably before I became a co-blogger late last year and began to follow closely here. I know many people make the argument you make. I don't agree with it.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:36:21 +0000

Not only that, but in the TPM post's update re: a response from Obama, it is absolutely wrong to use Bill Clinton's words against her.

Oh come now. “Absolutely wrong” is going a little far. Practically her entire argument about superior experience is built on the fact that she was first lady to President Bill Clinton. Her campaign, her base of donors, her name recognition is all based on his success.

By: Jillmz

Jillmz — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:22:09 +0000

Joe – I didn't see it that way at all. I find the can't stand the heat quote to have an excellent double entendre: She's staying in the kitchen AND taking the heat.

The Bin Laden picture didn't bother me in the least – but I won't say that if it were the twin towers I'd feel the same – not sure.

Not only that, but in the TPM post's update re: a response from Obama, it is absolutely wrong to use Bill Clinton's words against her. It goes back to the dual president Billary shtick pushed by many, which even though I'm not a supporter of Obama or Clinton, I detest. Leave her alone to win or lose on her own – but I've felt that way for months – I know others do not share that. I understand.

But the impact on me – I thought it was a decent ad – but I watch no tv, I'm not in PA and I want Biden back.

By: ChrisWWW

ChrisWWW — Mon, 21 Apr 2008 18:17:30 +0000

It was a little surprising to Hillary's face at the end of that ad and not John McCain's. But anyways, I see this as the natural progression of Hillary's "day one" message. The implication that we would all die without Hillary's steady leadership was already there, she's just bringing it into sharper focus.

Hard to argue with Yglesias on this one:

I'm not all that outraged, really, but I think the problem with this whole line of attack -- 3AM ads, etc. -- is such a limited posture to take up. At the end of the day, if this is an election about how in uncertain times we need to flee into the arms of a strong, comforting, figure of experience and authority then that figure is John McCain. The alternative story is that in uncertain times we need to turn the pages on disastrous policies that have gotten us into our current mess. But Clinton often, from her vote to authorize the war through to a lot of her primary season gambits, seems too invested in the politics of "toughness" to really chart a better course.