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	<title>Comments on: Social Issues for Me, But Not for Thee</title>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 13:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Are the rich really voting against their own economic interests? For example, who really pays for all those emergency room visits by the uninsured?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are the rich really voting against their own economic interests? For example, who really pays for all those emergency room visits by the uninsured?</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18991/social-issues-for-me-but-not-for-thee/comment-page-1/#comment-134297</link>
		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 07:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A whole lot of separate issues here,.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As to  upscale  voters voting against their economic interest, the  rich can afford to be be idealistic without actually needing to rub elbows with the great unwashed.  They don&#039;t risk financial ruin by doing so, and it makes them feel good about themselves.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s different for the financially insecure.  They really need to vote for their pocket book.  Some, however, don&#039;t, because they identifiy with the rich and famous, like movie stars,  and feel good about themselves that way.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I heartily dislike Reagan&#039;s brand of  inspiration.  It convinces people they can live on thin air, hope and pride being the compensation.  That&#039;s using people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess I am elitist, because connecting with people shouln&#039;t mean that you adopt all their mores.  A good leader educates as he leads; he doesn&#039;t pander.or sink to te lowest common denominator for votes.;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A whole lot of separate issues here,.</p>
<p>As to  upscale  voters voting against their economic interest, the  rich can afford to be be idealistic without actually needing to rub elbows with the great unwashed.  They don&#39;t risk financial ruin by doing so, and it makes them feel good about themselves.</p>
<p>It&#39;s different for the financially insecure.  They really need to vote for their pocket book.  Some, however, don&#39;t, because they identifiy with the rich and famous, like movie stars,  and feel good about themselves that way.  </p>
<p>I heartily dislike Reagan&#39;s brand of  inspiration.  It convinces people they can live on thin air, hope and pride being the compensation.  That&#39;s using people.</p>
<p>I guess I am elitist, because connecting with people shouln&#39;t mean that you adopt all their mores.  A good leader educates as he leads; he doesn&#39;t pander.or sink to te lowest common denominator for votes.;</p>
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		<title>By: aba23</title>
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		<dc:creator>aba23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 01:21:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First, I guess I have to apologize because I am an elitist. I value people by their contribution to the work at hand. In the case of a democracy, however, that includes just about everyone--at least if they are willing to take their civic role seriously--because the whole point is to give voice to the &quot;people&quot; and that means all the people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I&#039;m trying to reconcile two comments made in the post. First:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The reason the GOP has been able to woo this group is because, for better or worse, they can speak in that empathic language that connects with them.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;and, second:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The Democrats have never really understood that the working class are not simplistic robots, but complex beings.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They (you know, the working class) are complex beings who respond to empathic language (rather than policy positions?).  To me, it seems the author is saying that Democrats have condescended to the &quot;working class&quot; by treating them as simplistic robots instead of done the smart thing and condescended to them by treating them like emotionally driven simpletonsl. This attitude is again summed up in this quote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;We laugh now when we think back to 1992 and Bill Clinton saying that he “felt their pain.” But the fact is, it worked. He identified with the working class, he didn’t try to talk down to them.&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What worked? The fact that he said he felt their pain. That&#039;s not identifying with them, that&#039;s, at best, understanding their plight and forming policies around them, and, at worst, typical pandering.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s all (working class and those other classes) start taking the job of electing leaders a little more seriously, shall we?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First, I guess I have to apologize because I am an elitist. I value people by their contribution to the work at hand. In the case of a democracy, however, that includes just about everyone&#8211;at least if they are willing to take their civic role seriously&#8211;because the whole point is to give voice to the &#8220;people&#8221; and that means all the people.</p>
<p>But I&#39;m trying to reconcile two comments made in the post. First:</p>
<p>&#8220;The reason the GOP has been able to woo this group is because, for better or worse, they can speak in that empathic language that connects with them.&#8221;</p>
<p>and, second:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Democrats have never really understood that the working class are not simplistic robots, but complex beings.&#8221; </p>
<p>They (you know, the working class) are complex beings who respond to empathic language (rather than policy positions?).  To me, it seems the author is saying that Democrats have condescended to the &#8220;working class&#8221; by treating them as simplistic robots instead of done the smart thing and condescended to them by treating them like emotionally driven simpletonsl. This attitude is again summed up in this quote:</p>
<p>&#8220;We laugh now when we think back to 1992 and Bill Clinton saying that he “felt their pain.” But the fact is, it worked. He identified with the working class, he didn’t try to talk down to them.&#8221; </p>
<p>What worked? The fact that he said he felt their pain. That&#39;s not identifying with them, that&#39;s, at best, understanding their plight and forming policies around them, and, at worst, typical pandering.</p>
<p>Let&#39;s all (working class and those other classes) start taking the job of electing leaders a little more seriously, shall we?</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Apr 2008 00:24:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that liberals and Democrats have ceded words and phrases like Religion, Family Values, Tough on Defense, and even Liberal to the right wing.  It&#039;s been effective. You can hardly think of those words in a political context and not immediately conjure up good things for Republicans and bad things for Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that liberals and Democrats have ceded words and phrases like Religion, Family Values, Tough on Defense, and even Liberal to the right wing.  It&#39;s been effective. You can hardly think of those words in a political context and not immediately conjure up good things for Republicans and bad things for Democrats.</p>
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