It was a political issue from day one!!! Shrub and his supporters used this war to get reelected in 2002, if you didn't support this war your patriotism & your good judgment were called into question.

Today, 5 years after this war that cannot be won,that has killed a few hundred thousands Iraqis, that displaced a couple of million Iraqis, was shoved down our throat by the republicans they have the unmitigated gumption to tell the rest of us that we should not hold them responsible for the slaughterhouse that they have created.

I already know one thing. The loudest, least mature opponents will not only say this is all Bush's fault, but will be angry we “didn't do something” to stop such a consequence.

It was Bush's fault!!! Shrub and his administration only produced 935 documented lies to shove this war down our throats.

I have but one thing to say to Shrub, his administration and all the people who voted for them, you are responsible for every single death that has occurred in Iraq for the last four years, so now shut the fuck up and let the people who opposed this war, and who were right attempt to fix the disaster that you have created.

What happens when things get really bad (like something earlier that in large part we can “credit” the dishonorable anti-war crowd in the Sixties and Seventies for)

You can't be serious. It simply defies logic to blame the fallout of war on people who oppose war.

The worst of the Usual Suspects here at home will never admit to Iranian activity.

A much more mature and, frankly, sane, view than we see here too often.

What happens when things get really bad (like something earlier that in large part we can “credit” the dishonorable anti-war crowd in the Sixties and Seventies for),

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/7...

and terrorists or other rogues control the oil supply of Iraq?

I already know one thing. The loudest, least mature opponents will not only say this is all Bush's fault, but will be angry we “didn't do something” to stop such a consequence.

Again, I agree with what you say.
It's just a question of priorites. For me, getting Bush or the GOP is less important than saving our necks, if possible, and I often doubt it is possible.

Once it becomes a pokitical issue, …..

We can settlle political scores later.

The Republicans have pegged their political lives to Iraq. That's a consequence of having used it as a bludgeon against the Democrats in 2004 and 2006 (even though it stopped working then). So, it'd be nice to think we could all sit down and hammer out a good solution for Iraq, but it's not going to happen. How quickly was the Iraq Study Group shown the door and forgotten?

Too many people have their reputations staked on the outcome of the war for anything like a bipartisan consensus to emerge.

And besides, you're the one who brought up the issue of responsibility

Imagine being on a boat with someone who throws a child into the lake, jumps off the boat and swims away.
Is it enough for you to say that it's not your fault. that you didn't throw the child into the water?
Should you immediately swim after the culprit to bring him to justice?
Or should you just see what you can do to save the drowning child?

Our entabglement in Iraq is the drowning child.
For me, the burning question is how to get out of the lake without killing the child or ourselves.
We can settlle political scores later.

That means you are volunteering to be accountable for the consequences, right?
Or, will you be saying 'if Iknew then what I know now'?

Personally, I think this will play itself out in ways we can't predict.
Our rapidly deteriorating military will determine some decisions. Changes in casualty levels will detrmine others. AQ activity will determine others.
I just don't think that making sweeping statements in a very complex and rapidly changing and unstable situation is very helpful. When you're walking through a mine field, you take one careful step at a time.

To quote (paraphrase) Obama: we should be as careful leaving as we were careless going in. While we're being careful, the unexpected can always overtake all plans. A civil war is not completely off the atable, you knwo. neither is alSadr going on the offensive.

The reality is that there is no quick and safe way to get out. The consequences are unpredictable, and it's a matter of trying to choose what is least likely to cause a total disaster. If the result is a regional war, trust me, the US as a whole will be held accountable , and the most accountable of all will be the one who took on the role of the deciider.

The original sin will still belong to those who took us into war. Pulling our troops out is the only choice. The occupation is immoral and costing us trillions while providing no tangible benefits to us or the Iraqi people.

It was a tragic mistake to go into Iraq, It was a tragic mistake to go in with the small footprint paradigm. It was done and can't be undone. Get over it.

I am bitter (yes, bitter) that George W and his pals will never be held accountable for their bad decisions, but it isn't going to save any American lives or help any Iraqis to put theirs back together to go on and on about it.

The reality is that there is no quick and safe way to get out. The consequences are unpredictable, and it's a matter of trying to choose what is least likely to cause a total disaster. If the result is a regional war, trust me, the US as a whole will be held accountable , and the most accountable of all will be the one who took on the role of the deciider.

So, who here is volunteering for the job of deciding and being held accountable?

Having got that off my chest, it occurred to me to wonder what role the stress of firing on one's own people has in the cowardice of the Iraqi military. They don't experience these battles with American sensibiliites, or lack thereof, of that i”m sure. I don't know. Just wondering.

Posted by Damozel | Meanwhile, elsewhere in the world, the news from Iraq is either or alternately encouraging or discouraging, depending on which bits you read. A company of Iraqi soldiers abandoned their positions on Tuesday night in Sadr City, defyi…

We had an accountability moment, and that's called the 2004 elections,” Bush said in an interview with The Washington Post. “The American people listened to different assessments made about what was taking place in Iraq, and they looked at the two candidates, and chose me.”

I don't know why you are complaining, this is what America voted for.