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By: wyodem

wyodem — Sun, 13 Apr 2008 00:56:11 +0000

I loved Gloria Steinem's piece. Linda Hirshman is right on target. Erica Jong's piece was a hoot. And Geraldine Ferraro is my hero. Talk about speaking “truisms”!
As Jong stated people are flocking to Obama as the anti-old white guys in the White House without knowing what he stands for. “We, we, we” can do it together. What is “it” exactly?
Look at how significant this issue of feminism is to the campaigns; no one is talking about it and you have a whopping 6 comments to the post? On the Women for Obama blog at his website there is 1(!) comment to the post of the Founder of Women for Obama.
It's our time. Women that is. Yes she can!

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By: Tony

Tony — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 21:49:14 +0000

I just watched him bowl, so I have to say Barack wins hands down.

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By: runasim

runasim — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 14:30:23 +0000

Grajan,
Strange argumentt to make, considering that minorities represented in the current presidential race are both on the Democratic ticket.

It's really more a cultural issue, anyway. Thatcher, Meir, Merkel - all demonstrate that the US lags behind other countries in accepting women leaders.

I would not draw the argument as it concerns the US, then , from points on other parts of the globe.
Conincidentally, though, part of the cultutral differences is that all these countries have accepted social programs in health care, and such as a natural part of civic life. Senegale, the Socialist, was , of course, the only female candidate in France.

The correlations in your socialist/consrvative argument simply don't hold up..

Yes, Pres. Bush deserves credit for appointing Rice and Powell to prominent positions. That's only a small part of the story of minorities in the US, however.

By: grajan

grajan — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:49:39 +0000

In recent years, significant progress for minorities and women, have come from unexpected quarters. As someone who doesn’t have much regard for our current president, I still have to give him credit for the fact that he gave two of the most powerful posts in his administration to blacks. That perhaps did as much if not more, for the progress of minorities in changing their attitudes as to how high they could rise in a society that created impediments for them for hundreds of years. In a similar manner, since time immemorial, women have faced resistance to their fair share of opportunities although they have borne more than their fair share of burden. But progress indeed comes from unexpected quarters. For example in last year’s French presidential elections it was the Conservative party’s candidate Mr. Sarkozy who promised an equal number of cabinet posts for women and then delivered on it, once elected. Not only are the powerful ministries of Finance, Defense and Justice headed by women, but Mr. Sarkozy for the first time in France, has a significant number of very visible minorities in his cabinet. It is unlikely that Mrs. Royale of the opposing Socialist party would have done either. Hence, it would be a folly to assume, that electing Mrs. Clinton would be a boon for women’s progress.

Gopal Rajan, an American in Paris, is an international transformational consultant. gopalrajaninparis@gmail.com

By: shaun

shaun — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:49:18 +0000

A nicely written and beautifully nuanced essay on a really contentious subject. Great job, Sophie!

By: runasim

runasim — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 13:21:47 +0000

Everyone says we should vote for the person, not his race or gender.
Everyone also knows, that candidates have a symbolic value for some groups.

It's acknowledged ,and understood that some blacks will vote for Obama because of what his acomplishment symbolizes for his race. That's accepted, and differences among black voters on this issue are low key in commentary.

When the very similar issue of feminism comes up, though, it's been much more controversial. That seems to point to where we are, as a country on the issues of race and gender: NOT in the same place.

That there if a split among femiinists regarding the candidates comes as no surprise. There is a split among all subgroups, and why should women be diffferent?

By: saintixe56

saintixe56 — Mon, 07 Apr 2008 12:36:39 +0000

as a career woman, a wife, a mother and one who meddled in trade unions for decades and who has stopped, I am rather ammbiguous to HRC.while admitting as a Dem to have voted for her probably without qualms and and as certainly without much enthousiasm, I selected to switch over willingly and with energetic enthusiasm to BHO. am I a traitor to feminism or am I doing what is my freedomi.e. choice. As an american the right to vote is great and I am aware it is not yet 100ys since I can exercise that right, but does that right is an obligation to elect women or am I able to exercise discrimination. Do you know that Rice as Veep would get me thinking , not to cross lines , but as a woman I think Mrs Rice is certainly showing as much experience and between the two I prefer Rice not because she made wrong decisisons but because she really has experience and being married to the best or worst man on earth just give sone the experience of…being married. My hubby is a dermatologist, do 25ys of bliss give me a fair share of his expertise: NO. By the way being married to me do not give him anymore expertise in my own field.
And that is where the pb lies. By parading as experience what is marriage did not help HRC with women like me or the even younger generation. i DONT SEE MYSELF beholden to my husband to mask a marriage and its successes or disasters as experienec in a professional field. Shall we add that the lewinski shenanigans did not leave me the best mood to accept her vaunted experience as…successful and her handling did not propve anything to me. I am not one to bite the bullet rather I am one to reteliate… HRC experience if there is is for me an old fashioned attitude. Lets say I am not blaming her action but her actions dont suit me. She is entitled to rage behind closed doors, but as I do rage outside , I dont get along with her options.
I dont think this had to do with being a career girl or a blue collar girl. It has to do with our 2008 society where many women feel and are assertive , and having built a career on their own and then marrying and carrying on their career, or their work, well qe are not comfortable with a woman who admittedly got her diplomas, but nebver really worked, stayed behind her man for so many years and got an easy election to become senator and now wants to become Pres. because of what… she was married to bilL clinton ? PLEASE be serious.
Last and finally, I am not voting Clinton because… I would not vote for any Chelsea and Jeb or any Bush Twins. We are a republic not an oligarchy.
by the way Cherie Blair had 4 kids, carried on being a solicitor and helped her husband without wishing to dwelve any longer at Downing street,10.

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