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Who’s more of a feminist? Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama? (Guest Voice)

The women’s vote has been one of the biggest battlegrounds between Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama in their battle for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination. This Guest Voice post which blends original reporting and analysis is by NYU journalism student and writer Sophie Gilbert:

Who’s more of a feminist? Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama?

By Sophie Gilbert

Who’s more of a feminist? Hillary Clinton, or Barack Obama?

This is the unexpected question dividing women as the race for the democratic nomination drags on to the bitter end. On one side, Feminists For Barack Obama. Almost 2000 noted feminists, including women’s rights historians Linda Gordon and Alice Kessler Harris, Nation columnist Katha Pollitt and author/activist Ellen Bravo have pledged their support for the Illinois Senator.

But Hillary’s not exactly being spurned by the Big Girls either. She’s received endorsements from some of the Grande Dames of feminism: Gloria Steinem, Erica Jong, Gloria Feldt. Steinem’s op-ed in the New York Times, “Women Are Never Front-Runners,” has proved almost as divisive as the race itself. It’s deeply troubling. As feminists, don’t we all have a common goal?

Maybe we don’t. Katha Pollitt, like many of her peers, was originally rooting for Edwards, even though she admits she doesn’t particularly like him. “The interesting question is, why isn’t every woman on earth for Hillary?” says Pollitt. “But why should they be? I think Hillary has done a B/B+ job for women. She’s been good on feminist issues but she hasn’t been great on them.”

The debate really got going in February, when 150 New York feminists signed a petition endorsing Barack Obama. “War and peace are as much “women’s issues” as health, the environment and the achievement of educational and occupational equality,” said the statement, the first official declaration that feminists didn’t have to support Clinton. But why not? The overwhelming majority of feminists for Obama cite not only Hillary Clinton’s initial vote in favor of the war as their main objection to her, but beyond that, her subsequent refusal to admit that it was a bad decision.

“It wasn’t just a vote,” says Ellen Bravo. “It was a couple of years of vigorous support and many speeches. I felt Obama on the other hand took a stand when it was unpopular, at a time when it could have cost him. That gave me more confidence about his judgment.”

“New York Feminists for Peace and Barack Obama” rapidly attracted media attention, and was opened up for feminists across the country to sign: people who resented the mainstream media’s assumption that all women, by virtue of their gender, supported the female candidate. “I think it’s very important not to fall into the identity politics trap,” says Linda Gordon, women’s rights historian, and one of the authors of the petition. “We shouldn’t think that the body people inhabit is the most important thing about their political identity. A lot of very conservative and extremely anti-feminist women have been elected to office. Look at Margaret Thatcher.”

Feminists for Barack Obama took their stand. But Feminists for Hillary held their ground. Geraldine Ferraro asserted that Obama was only being taken seriously as a candidate because of his race. Gloria Steinem said that his race wasn’t as important as the fact that he wasn’t a woman. And Linda Hirshman really rocked the boat in the Washington Post, declaring that wealthy, educated women were supporting Barack Obama because they could afford to. “College-educated women don’t need the social safety net as much as their less fortunate sisters do,” Hirshman wrote (Hirshman was subsequently dropped as a blogger by TPM).

Ouch. When did it become an internal war? Not that divides within feminism are anything new. “There are internal divisions in anything- that’s what politics is,” says Katha Pollitt. “But it’s only within feminism that the fact that people don’t agree is news.” Pollitt says that she was “horrified” by Gloria Steinem’s op-ed. “I don’t think you can look at Obama, can look at a black man in America as simply representing “the man” against “the woman,”" she says. “I also don’t believe that sexism in politics is a bigger force than racism in politics. Today there are sixteen women senators and one black senator, only the third in our modern history. That tells you a little something about politics.”

Shortly after Linda Hirshman’s damning appraisal of Obama feminists, Ayelet Waldman retaliated in the Washington Post with a piece titled, “I’m Not an Obamabot.”

“Clinton proved herself willing to betray core feminist values,” Waldman wrote. “Hirshman’s class argument is specious and depressing, especially since the candidate she lionizes as the working-woman’s choice is a member of the very social elite of which she is so disdainful.”

In later conversation with Waldman, she questioned whether the divide between feminists for Hillary and feminists for Obama wasn’t, in part, generational.

“Us younger women (and at forty-three I’m hardly ‘young’) view Hillary’s “35 years of experience” claim as self-aggrandizing,” Waldman said. “We’re embarrassed by it. Older women, especially women who didn’t have careers, take very seriously the idea that their husbands wouldn’t have succeeded without their help and support. They all identify with Hillary. Her implied message, that she’s owed the presidency, resonates with them.”

Like Pollitt, Waldman was “embarrassed” by the Steinem op-ed, even though she has enormous respect for Steinem ’s contribution to the feminist movement. “I haven’t been too crazy about Erica Jong’s pieces either. Nora Ephron, however, cracks me up. She’s awesome.”

Whatever happens come June, the worry for most Democrats is that the battle for ascendancy between two groundbreaking presidential candidates, a black man and a white woman, will have puts supporters of each irrevocably at odds. “People get so invested in a particular candidate that it makes them extremely bitter to think about that candidate losing,” says Linda Gordon. “I too have bitterness about the fact that so many people think there’s no longer a need for a feminist movement. It’s just that I think thinking strategically about politics and what we would like to have happen in this country requires you to become a little more measured, rational and perhaps intellectual in your opinions rather than emotional.”

And are there any regrets? Katha Pollitt thinks so.

“I’m not happy about not supporting ‘the woman,’” she says. “It makes me sad. But then Geraldine Ferraro comes out and talks about how lucky Obama is to be black, and I think, ‘Oh Thank God.’”

Sophie Gilbert is a master’s candidate in journalism at New York University. Originally from London, she’s enjoying living in New York and learning to speak/write American.

  • saintixe56
    as a career woman, a wife, a mother and one who meddled in trade unions for decades and who has stopped, I am rather ammbiguous to HRC.while admitting as a Dem to have voted for her probably without qualms and and as certainly without much enthousiasm, I selected to switch over willingly and with energetic enthusiasm to BHO. am I a traitor to feminism or am I doing what is my freedomi.e. choice. As an american the right to vote is great and I am aware it is not yet 100ys since I can exercise that right, but does that right is an obligation to elect women or am I able to exercise discrimination. Do you know that Rice as Veep would get me thinking , not to cross lines , but as a woman I think Mrs Rice is certainly showing as much experience and between the two I prefer Rice not because she made wrong decisisons but because she really has experience and being married to the best or worst man on earth just give sone the experience of...being married. My hubby is a dermatologist, do 25ys of bliss give me a fair share of his expertise: NO. By the way being married to me do not give him anymore expertise in my own field.
    And that is where the pb lies. By parading as experience what is marriage did not help HRC with women like me or the even younger generation. i DONT SEE MYSELF beholden to my husband to mask a marriage and its successes or disasters as experienec in a professional field. Shall we add that the lewinski shenanigans did not leave me the best mood to accept her vaunted experience as...successful and her handling did not propve anything to me. I am not one to bite the bullet rather I am one to reteliate... HRC experience if there is is for me an old fashioned attitude. Lets say I am not blaming her action but her actions dont suit me. She is entitled to rage behind closed doors, but as I do rage outside , I dont get along with her options.
    I dont think this had to do with being a career girl or a blue collar girl. It has to do with our 2008 society where many women feel and are assertive , and having built a career on their own and then marrying and carrying on their career, or their work, well qe are not comfortable with a woman who admittedly got her diplomas, but nebver really worked, stayed behind her man for so many years and got an easy election to become senator and now wants to become Pres. because of what... she was married to bilL clinton ? PLEASE be serious.
    Last and finally, I am not voting Clinton because... I would not vote for any Chelsea and Jeb or any Bush Twins. We are a republic not an oligarchy.
    by the way Cherie Blair had 4 kids, carried on being a solicitor and helped her husband without wishing to dwelve any longer at Downing street,10.
  • runasim
    Everyone says we should vote for the person, not his race or gender.
    Everyone also knows, that candidates have a symbolic value for some groups.

    It's acknowledged ,and understood that some blacks will vote for Obama because of what his acomplishment symbolizes for his race. That's accepted, and differences among black voters on this issue are low key in commentary.

    When the very similar issue of feminism comes up, though, it's been much more controversial. That seems to point to where we are, as a country on the issues of race and gender: NOT in the same place.

    That there if a split among femiinists regarding the candidates comes as no surprise. There is a split among all subgroups, and why should women be diffferent?
  • shaun
    A nicely written and beautifully nuanced essay on a really contentious subject. Great job, Sophie!
  • grajan
    In recent years, significant progress for minorities and women, have come from unexpected quarters. As someone who doesn’t have much regard for our current president, I still have to give him credit for the fact that he gave two of the most powerful posts in his administration to blacks. That perhaps did as much if not more, for the progress of minorities in changing their attitudes as to how high they could rise in a society that created impediments for them for hundreds of years. In a similar manner, since time immemorial, women have faced resistance to their fair share of opportunities although they have borne more than their fair share of burden. But progress indeed comes from unexpected quarters. For example in last year’s French presidential elections it was the Conservative party’s candidate Mr. Sarkozy who promised an equal number of cabinet posts for women and then delivered on it, once elected. Not only are the powerful ministries of Finance, Defense and Justice headed by women, but Mr. Sarkozy for the first time in France, has a significant number of very visible minorities in his cabinet. It is unlikely that Mrs. Royale of the opposing Socialist party would have done either. Hence, it would be a folly to assume, that electing Mrs. Clinton would be a boon for women’s progress.

    Gopal Rajan, an American in Paris, is an international transformational consultant. gopalrajaninparis@gmail.com
  • runasim
    Grajan,
    Strange argumentt to make, considering that minorities represented in the current presidential race are both on the Democratic ticket.

    It's really more a cultural issue, anyway. Thatcher, Meir, Merkel - all demonstrate that the US lags behind other countries in accepting women leaders.

    I would not draw the argument as it concerns the US, then , from points on other parts of the globe.
    Conincidentally, though, part of the cultutral differences is that all these countries have accepted social programs in health care, and such as a natural part of civic life. Senegale, the Socialist, was , of course, the only female candidate in France.

    The correlations in your socialist/consrvative argument simply don't hold up..

    Yes, Pres. Bush deserves credit for appointing Rice and Powell to prominent positions. That's only a small part of the story of minorities in the US, however.
  • I just watched him bowl, so I have to say Barack wins hands down.
  • wyodem
    I loved Gloria Steinem's piece. Linda Hirshman is right on target. Erica Jong's piece was a hoot. And Geraldine Ferraro is my hero. Talk about speaking "truisms"!
    As Jong stated people are flocking to Obama as the anti-old white guys in the White House without knowing what he stands for. "We, we, we" can do it together. What is "it" exactly?
    Look at how significant this issue of feminism is to the campaigns; no one is talking about it and you have a whopping 6 comments to the post? On the Women for Obama blog at his website there is 1(!) comment to the post of the Founder of Women for Obama.
    It's our time. Women that is. Yes she can!
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