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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 04:11:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last year the Missouri legislature started talking up penalties for defrauding the state Medicaid program. Every Republican proposal went after the &quot;patients&quot; involved. The Democrats pointed out that the greatest amount of money lost by far to fraud was that committed by providers and proposed an appropriate amendment to the Republican&#039;s proposed law. Needless to say, it wasn&#039;t accepted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last year the Missouri legislature started talking up penalties for defrauding the state Medicaid program. Every Republican proposal went after the &#8220;patients&#8221; involved. The Democrats pointed out that the greatest amount of money lost by far to fraud was that committed by providers and proposed an appropriate amendment to the Republican&#39;s proposed law. Needless to say, it wasn&#39;t accepted.</p>
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		<title>By: &#160; Guest Voice: Hillary Clinton’s Health Care Plan: One Way To Help &#8230;&#160;by&#160;cancer.MEDtrials.info</title>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Apr 2008 00:18:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Runasim, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hadn&#039;t thought about the software.  Good point!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Dave Schuler,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The examples I listed are only a FEW out of hundreds.  Adding up the total settlements in those few cases doesn&#039;t indicate much.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also (as with the Columbia HCA case), we aren&#039;t sure whether the companies paid as much as they&#039;d taken from us taxpayers over the years (or decades).  Usually, defendants settle cases for less than they truly owe.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My point is that it&#039;s an ice-berg&#039;s-tip situation.  I view it in terms of opportunity cost: every dollar that goes to contractor waste or fraud is one less dollar for health care.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Runasim, </p>
<p>I hadn&#39;t thought about the software.  Good point!</p>
<p>Dave Schuler,</p>
<p>The examples I listed are only a FEW out of hundreds.  Adding up the total settlements in those few cases doesn&#39;t indicate much.</p>
<p>Also (as with the Columbia HCA case), we aren&#39;t sure whether the companies paid as much as they&#39;d taken from us taxpayers over the years (or decades).  Usually, defendants settle cases for less than they truly owe.</p>
<p>My point is that it&#39;s an ice-berg&#39;s-tip situation.  I view it in terms of opportunity cost: every dollar that goes to contractor waste or fraud is one less dollar for health care.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;nibblers&#039; that Hillary allluded to, those that are operating in an ideological sphere rather than a pragmatic one, are cropping up all over.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;First, the word &#039;universal&#039; throws them.  That strikes me as extremely peculiar, since our  problems with health care affect everyone, and this  is decidedly a universal problem. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many energetic fact finders don&#039;t recognize cost unless it&#039;s a number on a bill labeled plainly enough for a grade schooler to identify.    Many of the current costs to each and everyone of us, though obvious, are not clearly labeled, however.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider the savings if the cost of a visit to a GP&#039;s office were affordable via insurance, jmaking a visit to the extravagantly expensive ER unneccesary.  . That&#039;s a cost  the most individualistic citizen pays today,.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider the cost to business when an employee can&#039;t show up for work because his originally minor health problem escalates to being a debilitating one because of lack of access to health care.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Consider the cost to our economy when, due to a lack of proper health care, people drop out of  the ranks of contributing taxpayers to become  dependent on government sustenance programs.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The most recent example of general economic cost  is being played out in the recession death watch.  Consumer confidence, is cited by every economist as a major factor.  Yet, people&#039;s lack of confidence is partially based on their insecutiry about the effects of the next illness in their family.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Medical bills are a major  factor causing bankrupcies  &lt;br&gt;And do on and so forth.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I see the repetition of the same arguments on different issues.&lt;br&gt;Do something about global warming?  &#039;The cost, the cost! &#039; we hear.&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile some communiteis are forging ahead with energy saving programs that prove to be quite cost effective over the course of some years.  They reduce polution and improve health while doing their thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The trouble is, I think, that the demand for immediate profit, with the resultant  aversion to undertaking any risk whatsoever has replaced long term investment strtegies  in current economic culture.  That, more than anything else, stifles innovation, creative thinking and progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#39;nibblers&#39; that Hillary allluded to, those that are operating in an ideological sphere rather than a pragmatic one, are cropping up all over.</p>
<p>First, the word &#39;universal&#39; throws them.  That strikes me as extremely peculiar, since our  problems with health care affect everyone, and this  is decidedly a universal problem. </p>
<p>Many energetic fact finders don&#39;t recognize cost unless it&#39;s a number on a bill labeled plainly enough for a grade schooler to identify.    Many of the current costs to each and everyone of us, though obvious, are not clearly labeled, however.</p>
<p>Consider the savings if the cost of a visit to a GP&#39;s office were affordable via insurance, jmaking a visit to the extravagantly expensive ER unneccesary.  . That&#39;s a cost  the most individualistic citizen pays today,.</p>
<p>Consider the cost to business when an employee can&#39;t show up for work because his originally minor health problem escalates to being a debilitating one because of lack of access to health care.</p>
<p>Consider the cost to our economy when, due to a lack of proper health care, people drop out of  the ranks of contributing taxpayers to become  dependent on government sustenance programs.  </p>
<p>The most recent example of general economic cost  is being played out in the recession death watch.  Consumer confidence, is cited by every economist as a major factor.  Yet, people&#39;s lack of confidence is partially based on their insecutiry about the effects of the next illness in their family.  </p>
<p>Medical bills are a major  factor causing bankrupcies  <br />And do on and so forth.</p>
<p>I see the repetition of the same arguments on different issues.<br />Do something about global warming?  &#39;The cost, the cost! &#39; we hear.<br />Meanwhile some communiteis are forging ahead with energy saving programs that prove to be quite cost effective over the course of some years.  They reduce polution and improve health while doing their thing.</p>
<p>The trouble is, I think, that the demand for immediate profit, with the resultant  aversion to undertaking any risk whatsoever has replaced long term investment strtegies  in current economic culture.  That, more than anything else, stifles innovation, creative thinking and progress.</p>
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		<title>By: texas a</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 16:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 14:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only way you pay for this kind of plan is to Pay for this kind of plan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just as we pay to eat.  Pay to drive our cars.  Pay taxes.  Pay for rent.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However I believe that in this country there is still a sincere lack of will to provide adequate health care coverage for the average American.  The kind of health care coverage that exists in Canada or England or in other countries is not feasible in the United States.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Instead we should concentrate on providing preventative medicine, prescription drug coverage as well as Catastrophic coverage of say anything over 25,000 dollars with modest premiums of say 1 percent of your income based upon last years taxes.  To pay for this we should institute a national one penny sales tax which is added to the states already current sales tax and then the proceeds are forwarded on to Washington.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In addition taxes should be raised for everyone on the order of about 3 percent which would pay for this type of coverage.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;NO.......its not perfect.  But until you actually get something on the books their will be 100 years of think tanks, books written, government studies, debates and when we finally come to a logical conclusion then we will have more debates, filabusters and on and on it goes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Get it on the books, see how to pay for it then move on.  Add to it, tweak it, change it but get it done.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Once we have it in place then we can address how to pay for the coverage gap.  In the meantime people will get the health care they need because we have covered 3 of the 4 legs of the health care chair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only way you pay for this kind of plan is to Pay for this kind of plan.</p>
<p>Just as we pay to eat.  Pay to drive our cars.  Pay taxes.  Pay for rent.</p>
<p>However I believe that in this country there is still a sincere lack of will to provide adequate health care coverage for the average American.  The kind of health care coverage that exists in Canada or England or in other countries is not feasible in the United States.</p>
<p>Instead we should concentrate on providing preventative medicine, prescription drug coverage as well as Catastrophic coverage of say anything over 25,000 dollars with modest premiums of say 1 percent of your income based upon last years taxes.  To pay for this we should institute a national one penny sales tax which is added to the states already current sales tax and then the proceeds are forwarded on to Washington.</p>
<p>In addition taxes should be raised for everyone on the order of about 3 percent which would pay for this type of coverage.</p>
<p>NO&#8230;&#8230;.its not perfect.  But until you actually get something on the books their will be 100 years of think tanks, books written, government studies, debates and when we finally come to a logical conclusion then we will have more debates, filabusters and on and on it goes.</p>
<p>Get it on the books, see how to pay for it then move on.  Add to it, tweak it, change it but get it done.</p>
<p>Once we have it in place then we can address how to pay for the coverage gap.  In the meantime people will get the health care they need because we have covered 3 of the 4 legs of the health care chair.</p>
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		<title>By: us guest services</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:29:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] US residents or getting taxpayer-subsidized services. ...http://www.azstarnet.com/business/232267Guest Voice: Hillary Clinton??s Health Care Plan: One Way To Help Pay For It Health care proposals in Campaign 2008 have often gotten drown out in bitter campaign exchanges ?? [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dave_Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave_Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 12:22:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The aggregate amount of penalties listed in the post above come to $4.361 billion over a period of 11 years or a little less than a half billion dollars per year.  That&#039;s roughly .5% of the total annual cost of Sen. Clinton&#039;s plan&#8212;a spit in the ocean.  And that&#039;s assuming that all of the amounts realized could be used to defray the costs of the plan.  They can&#039;t.  These suits have costs of their own.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Should we pursue cases of waste, fraud, and abuse aggressively?  Of course we should if only to deter future instances.  But we shouldn&#039;t kid ourselves into thinking that we can pay for the plan by eliminating waste.  We can&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The aggregate amount of penalties listed in the post above come to $4.361 billion over a period of 11 years or a little less than a half billion dollars per year.  That&#39;s roughly .5% of the total annual cost of Sen. Clinton&#39;s plan&mdash;a spit in the ocean.  And that&#39;s assuming that all of the amounts realized could be used to defray the costs of the plan.  They can&#39;t.  These suits have costs of their own.</p>
<p>Should we pursue cases of waste, fraud, and abuse aggressively?  Of course we should if only to deter future instances.  But we shouldn&#39;t kid ourselves into thinking that we can pay for the plan by eliminating waste.  We can&#39;t.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 10:39:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While some cases of fraud and waste may require sophisticated or hands-on auditing,  much could be done with existing software.&lt;br&gt;A doctor in NY was discovered  by the NYT to have billed fMedicaid for services whidh would have required him to see several patients every minute.  If the NYT could unearth this information in a few hours on a laptop, I don&#039;t understand why the government doesn&#039;t have a software program to discern some forms of fraud as part of their regular operations.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;   .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While some cases of fraud and waste may require sophisticated or hands-on auditing,  much could be done with existing software.<br />A doctor in NY was discovered  by the NYT to have billed fMedicaid for services whidh would have required him to see several patients every minute.  If the NYT could unearth this information in a few hours on a laptop, I don&#39;t understand why the government doesn&#39;t have a software program to discern some forms of fraud as part of their regular operations.   </p>
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		<title>By: hillary clinton</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 08:44:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] to Quit Race AssociatedPresshttp://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5j-yFl91SZQSuxY6iahMsbW_3FCHAD8VOTVCO0Guest Voice: Hillary Clinton??s Health Care Plan: One Way To Help Pay For It Health care proposals in Campaign 2008 have often gotten drown out in bitter campaign exchanges ?? [...]</description>
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