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	<title>Comments on: Dean To Democratic Superdelegates: Enough Is Enough (By July 1st)</title>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 18:44:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My guess as to what will happen is that after PA and NC, Clinton admits that she cannot catch up and appeals for party unity. This likely will be moved along by more superdelegates seeing the writing on the wall and either declaring for Obama, weighing in privately with Clinton or both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My guess as to what will happen is that after PA and NC, Clinton admits that she cannot catch up and appeals for party unity. This likely will be moved along by more superdelegates seeing the writing on the wall and either declaring for Obama, weighing in privately with Clinton or both.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:37:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyway, I don&#039;t see how Dean, by proposing the superdelegates make up their mind by July 1, is a leader.  If he&#039;s proposing a deadline, he obviously wants this to end before the convention the following month.  But with all the races out of the way at the beginning of June, I think we&#039;d have a pretty clear indication which candidate is in the lead come July 1.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Dean really were serious about uniting the party, he would call for the superdelegates to make a decision by May 1 at the latest.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I guess Dean doesn&#039;t want to alienate the eight states yet to vote.  In which case he should just keep his mouth shut.  Having a July 1 deadline doesn&#039;t solve the mess the Dems are in now.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Another way of thinking about it: we&#039;re roughly 2 1/2 months into the primary season and Dean&#039;s proposal for a decision to be made would put the outcome another 2 1/2 months away.  We&#039;ve had 42 states vote so far, and only 8 more to go.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would rather not have this increasingly bitter fight go on for the same amount of time we&#039;ve already been through when there are only a handful of states, one candidate is ahead (and barring a miracle Hillary won&#039;t overtake Obama) and at this point it&#039;s clear that the Dem. Party can only continue to go downhill from here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyway, I don&#39;t see how Dean, by proposing the superdelegates make up their mind by July 1, is a leader.  If he&#39;s proposing a deadline, he obviously wants this to end before the convention the following month.  But with all the races out of the way at the beginning of June, I think we&#39;d have a pretty clear indication which candidate is in the lead come July 1.  </p>
<p>If Dean really were serious about uniting the party, he would call for the superdelegates to make a decision by May 1 at the latest.</p>
<p>I guess Dean doesn&#39;t want to alienate the eight states yet to vote.  In which case he should just keep his mouth shut.  Having a July 1 deadline doesn&#39;t solve the mess the Dems are in now.  </p>
<p>Another way of thinking about it: we&#39;re roughly 2 1/2 months into the primary season and Dean&#39;s proposal for a decision to be made would put the outcome another 2 1/2 months away.  We&#39;ve had 42 states vote so far, and only 8 more to go.  </p>
<p>I would rather not have this increasingly bitter fight go on for the same amount of time we&#39;ve already been through when there are only a handful of states, one candidate is ahead (and barring a miracle Hillary won&#39;t overtake Obama) and at this point it&#39;s clear that the Dem. Party can only continue to go downhill from here.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 06:24:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>runasim, I think we need to ask the purpose of the primary season.  I think the primary season at its essence serves two purposes.  First, it is a time for voters to get to know the candidates.  Second voters express their choice for their party&#039;s candidate (and if there are cross-over voters who support the other party&#039;s candidate, that&#039;s even better).  The purpose, of course, is to choose the strongest candidate to advance to the general election.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The first piece- learning about the candidates- has been going on since the beginning of 2007.  Perhaps not all candidates had declared their candidacy at that time, but nonetheless, the process started at that time, a full year before the actual voting began.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The second piece, choosing which candidate to advance to the general election, has passed it&#039;s time of being useful.  The Dems have narrowed the field from eight to two and those two are locked in a bitter fight.  One (Obama) has been ahead of the other (Hillary) for most of this primary season, once the actual voting began and voters finally got a chance at the ballot box.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Republicans&#039; races in the primary season were interesting (and fun).  Republicans were split on the candidates (one day one candidate was favored, the next day someone else was favored).  They finally ended up with McCain.  McCain may not be the first choice among the religious right of the Republican base, but the religious conservatives don&#039;t make up the majority of the Republican party.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Democrats had a long time to consider their candidates and the weaker candidates have been winnowed from the race.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Given that the voters have narrowed the Dem field down to two strong candidates and that there are only eight states yet to vote, which won&#039;t push Hillary ahead (unless she does better than she&#039;s done so far), and given further that this race is only bitterly dividing the Dems, and not serving any useful purpose (for the Dems), I think it&#039;s time for the Dems to rally around one candidate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think both the Dems and the Repubs had good races and now is the time to move forward.  Otherwise the Dems will continue to engage in internecine warfare.  War always comes at a cost.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>runasim, I think we need to ask the purpose of the primary season.  I think the primary season at its essence serves two purposes.  First, it is a time for voters to get to know the candidates.  Second voters express their choice for their party&#39;s candidate (and if there are cross-over voters who support the other party&#39;s candidate, that&#39;s even better).  The purpose, of course, is to choose the strongest candidate to advance to the general election.</p>
<p>The first piece- learning about the candidates- has been going on since the beginning of 2007.  Perhaps not all candidates had declared their candidacy at that time, but nonetheless, the process started at that time, a full year before the actual voting began.  </p>
<p>The second piece, choosing which candidate to advance to the general election, has passed it&#39;s time of being useful.  The Dems have narrowed the field from eight to two and those two are locked in a bitter fight.  One (Obama) has been ahead of the other (Hillary) for most of this primary season, once the actual voting began and voters finally got a chance at the ballot box.</p>
<p>The Republicans&#39; races in the primary season were interesting (and fun).  Republicans were split on the candidates (one day one candidate was favored, the next day someone else was favored).  They finally ended up with McCain.  McCain may not be the first choice among the religious right of the Republican base, but the religious conservatives don&#39;t make up the majority of the Republican party.  </p>
<p>The Democrats had a long time to consider their candidates and the weaker candidates have been winnowed from the race.</p>
<p>Given that the voters have narrowed the Dem field down to two strong candidates and that there are only eight states yet to vote, which won&#39;t push Hillary ahead (unless she does better than she&#39;s done so far), and given further that this race is only bitterly dividing the Dems, and not serving any useful purpose (for the Dems), I think it&#39;s time for the Dems to rally around one candidate.</p>
<p>I think both the Dems and the Repubs had good races and now is the time to move forward.  Otherwise the Dems will continue to engage in internecine warfare.  War always comes at a cost.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 05:29:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JSpencer said:  &quot;What is Dean thinking???&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You are totally right .  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When I first saw news of Dean&#039;s so-called  &quot;ultimatum&quot;  here at TMV  I actually thought it was one of Joe&#039;s occasional comic jabs! &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But no.  Usually the two party nominees would be taking a breather now and retooling for the Conventions.  Instead it is going to be daily wackiness...HRC and Obama bloggers going at it daily....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Runasim said: &quot; lock-step march to victory, something that stifles indidividuality and moderation IMO&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Well, you gotta look hard to find moderation in the HRC-Obama saga. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t have a dog in this race, but personally I am tired of the daily &quot;scandals&quot; and mock &quot;outrage&quot; about this and that.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I wonder when is the point of no return reached...when the damage becomes fatal to the Democrats?   The arrogance of the Democrats have led them to ignore this to date, and assume they could elect a &quot;yellow dog&quot; in the fall.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The last time things went on so long for the Democrats was Kennedy-Carter in 1980.   And that was in a less mediated and intense age.  But we all know how that one ended for the Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JSpencer said:  &#8220;What is Dean thinking???&#8221;</p>
<p>You are totally right .  </p>
<p>When I first saw news of Dean&#39;s so-called  &#8220;ultimatum&#8221;  here at TMV  I actually thought it was one of Joe&#39;s occasional comic jabs! </p>
<p>But no.  Usually the two party nominees would be taking a breather now and retooling for the Conventions.  Instead it is going to be daily wackiness&#8230;HRC and Obama bloggers going at it daily&#8230;.</p>
<p>Runasim said: &#8221; lock-step march to victory, something that stifles indidividuality and moderation IMO&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, you gotta look hard to find moderation in the HRC-Obama saga. </p>
<p>I don&#39;t have a dog in this race, but personally I am tired of the daily &#8220;scandals&#8221; and mock &#8220;outrage&#8221; about this and that.   </p>
<p>I wonder when is the point of no return reached&#8230;when the damage becomes fatal to the Democrats?   The arrogance of the Democrats have led them to ignore this to date, and assume they could elect a &#8220;yellow dog&#8221; in the fall.</p>
<p>The last time things went on so long for the Democrats was Kennedy-Carter in 1980.   And that was in a less mediated and intense age.  But we all know how that one ended for the Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Mar 2008 00:41:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>IReading JSpemcer&#039;s comment really brought me up short.  There are such confilcitng principles involved here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;After criticizing the R&#039;s for theri lock-step march to victory, something that stifles indidividuality and moderation IMO,  do I now switch cars in mid race and join the winning-is-all  parade?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>IReading JSpemcer&#39;s comment really brought me up short.  There are such confilcitng principles involved here.</p>
<p>After criticizing the R&#39;s for theri lock-step march to victory, something that stifles indidividuality and moderation IMO,  do I now switch cars in mid race and join the winning-is-all  parade?</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlowecan is dead on. I mean really, July 1???????? What is Dean thinking??? Good grief, one more month would be MORE than enough time. The D&#039;s are going to blow it at this rate, and the sad thing is, they won&#039;t understand why it happened, and they won&#039;t learn from it either. JFC.................... Sorry, I really feel like I&#039;ve lowered my standards enough during the past decade. Ralph is looking better all the time, he won&#039;t win, but at least I&#039;ll have my dignity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlowecan is dead on. I mean really, July 1???????? What is Dean thinking??? Good grief, one more month would be MORE than enough time. The D&#39;s are going to blow it at this rate, and the sad thing is, they won&#39;t understand why it happened, and they won&#39;t learn from it either. JFC&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.. Sorry, I really feel like I&#39;ve lowered my standards enough during the past decade. Ralph is looking better all the time, he won&#39;t win, but at least I&#39;ll have my dignity.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:28:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I had started to  follow the primries only recently , I would agree with Paul Silver.&lt;br&gt;Hillary has been more aggressive, has been guilty of over-reach and bad mistakes.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What irks me, though, is that she was portrayed as such long before she ever opened her mouth for the first time.   Her back was pushed against the ropes the minute she dared to approach the ring.  &lt;br&gt;There is something horribly unfair about how she has been assessed.  One day she is too soft, the next she is too hard. And so one.  There is nothing that she did and said that wasn&#039;t followed by nasty interpretations.&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;That being said, we can&#039;t relive yesterday..  &lt;br&gt;Today, she is not in a good place.  If her only defense is to become more aggressive, then that will, indeedl  hurt Democrats.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Democracy is a very messy business. Participants are not always make  sensible.  decisons.&lt;br&gt;Bad decsisions are often backed by the public, not only candidates.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I had started to  follow the primries only recently , I would agree with Paul Silver.<br />Hillary has been more aggressive, has been guilty of over-reach and bad mistakes.</p>
<p>What irks me, though, is that she was portrayed as such long before she ever opened her mouth for the first time.   Her back was pushed against the ropes the minute she dared to approach the ring.  <br />There is something horribly unfair about how she has been assessed.  One day she is too soft, the next she is too hard. And so one.  There is nothing that she did and said that wasn&#39;t followed by nasty interpretations.</p>
<p>That being said, we can&#39;t relive yesterday..  <br />Today, she is not in a good place.  If her only defense is to become more aggressive, then that will, indeedl  hurt Democrats.</p>
<p>Democracy is a very messy business. Participants are not always make  sensible.  decisons.<br />Bad decsisions are often backed by the public, not only candidates.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 23:02:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Three months???  Three more months!!!  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unbelievable.  Suddenly, a year that the GOP saw as a nightmare...is becoming a GOP wet-dream!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain&#039;s first ad is out today defining his American hero creds.  He is now on a fundraising tour.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Meanwhile, 3 more months of:  Wright videos; HRC memories under fire; more Michelle Obama foot-in-mouth expressions of her strong feelings for America; Obama getting hit with the bathtub and shower stall along with the kitchen sink....&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All we need now is Bill Clinton caught on tape with some big haired hussy to make the primary season complete.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Oh yeah, and some talk about issues...whatever they are....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Three months???  Three more months!!!  </p>
<p>Unbelievable.  Suddenly, a year that the GOP saw as a nightmare&#8230;is becoming a GOP wet-dream!</p>
<p>McCain&#39;s first ad is out today defining his American hero creds.  He is now on a fundraising tour.</p>
<p>Meanwhile, 3 more months of:  Wright videos; HRC memories under fire; more Michelle Obama foot-in-mouth expressions of her strong feelings for America; Obama getting hit with the bathtub and shower stall along with the kitchen sink&#8230;.</p>
<p>All we need now is Bill Clinton caught on tape with some big haired hussy to make the primary season complete.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, and some talk about issues&#8230;whatever they are&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: runasim</title>
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		<dc:creator>runasim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:59:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If  the two Dem candidates had any sense, they could both keep their rivalry alive and defuse the defection to McCain problem.  &lt;br&gt;They could continue arguing about who has the best  health care plan, etc.&lt;br&gt;They, could spend more time emphasizing what unites Democrats.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Why is neither talking about  the appointment of Supreme Court Justices, for example?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If  the two Dem candidates had any sense, they could both keep their rivalry alive and defuse the defection to McCain problem.  <br />They could continue arguing about who has the best  health care plan, etc.<br />They, could spend more time emphasizing what unites Democrats.</p>
<p>Why is neither talking about  the appointment of Supreme Court Justices, for example?</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSilver</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulSilver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is fashionable to cast Obama and Clinton as equally culpable for their public conflict.  But it seems to me that Obama  generally is less inflammatory while still trying to point out distinctions with Sen Clinton.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suspect that enough voters are recognizing this, to push Obama into a larger lead in polls.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is fashionable to cast Obama and Clinton as equally culpable for their public conflict.  But it seems to me that Obama  generally is less inflammatory while still trying to point out distinctions with Sen Clinton.</p>
<p>I suspect that enough voters are recognizing this, to push Obama into a larger lead in polls.</p>
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