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		<title>By: SkeeterVT</title>
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		<dc:creator>SkeeterVT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 11:58:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Long-term gold for the GOP can happen ONLY if:&lt;br&gt;1) Dubyah doesn&#039;t do the stupid thing between now and November by going to war against Iran when our military is already stretched to the breaking point.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;2) The Far Right doesn&#039;t saddle McCain at the GOP convention with a neo-Fascist vice-presidential running mate and platform. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Otherwise, the GOP will be toast for at least a generation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Long-term gold for the GOP can happen ONLY if:<br />1) Dubyah doesn&#39;t do the stupid thing between now and November by going to war against Iran when our military is already stretched to the breaking point.</p>
<p>2) The Far Right doesn&#39;t saddle McCain at the GOP convention with a neo-Fascist vice-presidential running mate and platform. </p>
<p>Otherwise, the GOP will be toast for at least a generation.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SD - There has been opposition for Pelosi and Reid among members of their own party --the Blue Dogs-as well as the GOP since &#039;06. The Democrats are not monolithic, like their GOP counterparts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt; If you&#039;d ever been in Maryland, you&#039;d realize that there are conservative, moderate and liberal Democrats here---which is why the state is able to run as a one-party state. We have a Democratic governor who is having difficulty getting his budget approved by an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature- they don&#039;t just rubberstamp the way Republicans did for 5 years for Bush.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SD &#8211; There has been opposition for Pelosi and Reid among members of their own party &#8211;the Blue Dogs-as well as the GOP since &#39;06. The Democrats are not monolithic, like their GOP counterparts.</p>
<p> If you&#39;d ever been in Maryland, you&#39;d realize that there are conservative, moderate and liberal Democrats here&#8212;which is why the state is able to run as a one-party state. We have a Democratic governor who is having difficulty getting his budget approved by an overwhelmingly Democratic legislature- they don&#39;t just rubberstamp the way Republicans did for 5 years for Bush.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 13:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The most likely scenario for the Republicans is to become irrelevant on the national scene just like they are irrelevant in places like Maryland today.  Ajn Obama administration aided with Democratic majorities in both houses will be able to put millions of illegal aliens on a path to citizenship so that they will automatically vote Democratic, will be able to pass another around of campaign finance reform so that left leaning NGO&#039;s and blocks will gain power, and will be able to give entitlements to millions of more Americans to create more speical interest groups dedicated to maintain Democratic control. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the republicans had their chance to change American but threw it away for K-street jobs and short term pork.  Politics at the national level is quickly resemble politics in the District of Columbia, Maryland, or California. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The real question is what the U.S. be like as a one party state.  It is hard to consider the Republicans relevant when their presidential nominee is too lazy to read his briefing books and too stupid to understand them even if he did read them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The most likely scenario for the Republicans is to become irrelevant on the national scene just like they are irrelevant in places like Maryland today.  Ajn Obama administration aided with Democratic majorities in both houses will be able to put millions of illegal aliens on a path to citizenship so that they will automatically vote Democratic, will be able to pass another around of campaign finance reform so that left leaning NGO&#39;s and blocks will gain power, and will be able to give entitlements to millions of more Americans to create more speical interest groups dedicated to maintain Democratic control. </p>
<p>the republicans had their chance to change American but threw it away for K-street jobs and short term pork.  Politics at the national level is quickly resemble politics in the District of Columbia, Maryland, or California. </p>
<p>The real question is what the U.S. be like as a one party state.  It is hard to consider the Republicans relevant when their presidential nominee is too lazy to read his briefing books and too stupid to understand them even if he did read them.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 12:52:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Marlow- Political good news is cyclical. The Dems are in the up cycle due to the dismal performance of the GOP. The numerous open seats combined with lower enthusiasm for the party may just usher in a veto-proof majority for their opposition, as they strain to defend dozens of open districts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Gingrich pushed thru voluntary term limits which few or none observed once the terms were up! They were pretty much a joke. The speaker himself was driven out by his own party before he was ready to go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Marlow- Political good news is cyclical. The Dems are in the up cycle due to the dismal performance of the GOP. The numerous open seats combined with lower enthusiasm for the party may just usher in a veto-proof majority for their opposition, as they strain to defend dozens of open districts.</p>
<p>Gingrich pushed thru voluntary term limits which few or none observed once the terms were up! They were pretty much a joke. The speaker himself was driven out by his own party before he was ready to go.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 11:45:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pacatrue said:  &quot;Perhaps it will be rough on the party in the longer term, but that is supposed to be less important than effecting what they believe is the right thing.... The world is always in crisis.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That is an MSM view...they need something to fill the front page after all. The world is not always in crisis.  You have to have perspective.  (e.g. the 1930s and the Great Depression were a crisis that shook the world.  The 1990s were years of milk and honey).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;kritt11:  &quot; the accompanying perks when left in office for too long.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would add the very good long-term news that the Hastert-era GOP &quot;pigs at the trough&quot; are retiring in droves.  The GOP also under Gingrich pushed through term limits.  The longest serving Congressional figures are invariably Democrats, who have been at the trough for decades in many cases...their seniority blocking new people and new ideas from below. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I was advancing an argument...based upon the British Conservative experience...as to why in the &quot;long term&quot; a Democratic sweep in 08 could be great for the GOP.   There is a risk in this, of course.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A President Obama could be a new FDR, a titan who grasps the challenge of a difficult period and makes the country better for it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More likely:  Based on Obama&#039;s 130 &quot;Present&quot; votes whenever a controversial issue appeared in the Illinois senate...Obama has no inclination for the tough decisions that will be necessary in the next few years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The result:  Disillusionment across the Left, as Obama gives nice speeches about race, and nothing much else happens. Cheering across anti-American Europe as the US retreats with its tail between its legs.  Furious spinning by liberals as to why this is a wonderful thing.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then the images of  insurgent RPGs taking down the last lonely US Black Hawks leaving Iraq.   President Obama gives another wonderful speech about race.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As I said:  Bad for the US.  Long term gold for the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pacatrue said:  &#8220;Perhaps it will be rough on the party in the longer term, but that is supposed to be less important than effecting what they believe is the right thing&#8230;. The world is always in crisis.&#8221;</p>
<p>That is an MSM view&#8230;they need something to fill the front page after all. The world is not always in crisis.  You have to have perspective.  (e.g. the 1930s and the Great Depression were a crisis that shook the world.  The 1990s were years of milk and honey).</p>
<p>kritt11:  &#8221; the accompanying perks when left in office for too long.&#8221;</p>
<p>I would add the very good long-term news that the Hastert-era GOP &#8220;pigs at the trough&#8221; are retiring in droves.  The GOP also under Gingrich pushed through term limits.  The longest serving Congressional figures are invariably Democrats, who have been at the trough for decades in many cases&#8230;their seniority blocking new people and new ideas from below. </p>
<p>I was advancing an argument&#8230;based upon the British Conservative experience&#8230;as to why in the &#8220;long term&#8221; a Democratic sweep in 08 could be great for the GOP.   There is a risk in this, of course.</p>
<p>A President Obama could be a new FDR, a titan who grasps the challenge of a difficult period and makes the country better for it.</p>
<p>More likely:  Based on Obama&#39;s 130 &#8220;Present&#8221; votes whenever a controversial issue appeared in the Illinois senate&#8230;Obama has no inclination for the tough decisions that will be necessary in the next few years.</p>
<p>The result:  Disillusionment across the Left, as Obama gives nice speeches about race, and nothing much else happens. Cheering across anti-American Europe as the US retreats with its tail between its legs.  Furious spinning by liberals as to why this is a wonderful thing.</p>
<p>Then the images of  insurgent RPGs taking down the last lonely US Black Hawks leaving Iraq.   President Obama gives another wonderful speech about race.</p>
<p>As I said:  Bad for the US.  Long term gold for the GOP.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 07:51:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excellent comment, Pacatrue. It seems that both parties become corrupt and obsessed with maintaining their own positions of power and the accompanying perks when left in office for too long. No one pretends now that the last 8 years of GOP rule have been about conservative goals, which is why even Republicans may stay home or switch sides in disgust.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent comment, Pacatrue. It seems that both parties become corrupt and obsessed with maintaining their own positions of power and the accompanying perks when left in office for too long. No one pretends now that the last 8 years of GOP rule have been about conservative goals, which is why even Republicans may stay home or switch sides in disgust.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 06:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To marlowcan&#039;s comment, if people are trying to become leaders in government for the right reasons -- because they want to affect history and change the way their country behaves and not in order to keep the right party on top -- then they have to want to be in power in the difficult times. Perhaps it will be rough on the party in the longer term, but that is supposed to be less important than effecting what they believe is the right thing. As an example, if one believes that getting out of Iraq quickly and providing expanded health care for Americans is fundamentally important, then it is better to gain power and enact those things -- and then suffer the consequences -- than to wait for a better looking time.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The world is always in crisis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To marlowcan&#39;s comment, if people are trying to become leaders in government for the right reasons &#8212; because they want to affect history and change the way their country behaves and not in order to keep the right party on top &#8212; then they have to want to be in power in the difficult times. Perhaps it will be rough on the party in the longer term, but that is supposed to be less important than effecting what they believe is the right thing. As an example, if one believes that getting out of Iraq quickly and providing expanded health care for Americans is fundamentally important, then it is better to gain power and enact those things &#8212; and then suffer the consequences &#8212; than to wait for a better looking time.</p>
<p>The world is always in crisis.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Mar 2008 04:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is more accurate to speak of mid-term prospects here.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the long term, it may be far better for the GOP if the Democrats sweep the board in November (not for the US but for the party).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My Paradigm: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In the UK, the Conservatives have for years moaned about John Major&#039;s surprising victory over Neil Kinnock after deposing Margaret Thatcher.  Many wish they had lost.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;At the time this win seemed great.  Problem was:  Major got stuck with an economy that was tanking...a pound that got hammered and had to humiliatingly leave the Eurozone...and worst of all:  Kinnock resigned, to be replaced by a chap who died...and then came Tony Blair.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Blair had Obama magic...but he was the real deal!  Machiavellian and charismatic.  He came in when the economy was recovering...hammered the Conservatives (and his own Looney Left) mercilessly year after year...and the Conservatives have been in the wilderness ever since.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Long term:  If Obama beats McCain...he is stuck trying to fix a battered economy with an untested economic team...he will have to raise taxes to fix the deficit with a Democratic Senate and House (GOP Senators mocked Obama&#039;s economic plan by tabling legislation mandating all of it TWO WEEKS ago. Reid shut it down) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Worst of all:  the Vietnam helicopter on the embassy moment will come on President Obama&#039;s watch!  A Democrat...elected on an immediate withdrawal plan that will accelerate civil war...presiding over a humiliating withdrawal (American troops will, of course, be under fire all the way -- and if you know anything about retreats in military history, they can be brutal).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bad for the US, undeniably.  But a clean Democratic sweep in the Fall could be long term GOLD for the GOP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is more accurate to speak of mid-term prospects here.</p>
<p>In the long term, it may be far better for the GOP if the Democrats sweep the board in November (not for the US but for the party).</p>
<p>My Paradigm: </p>
<p>In the UK, the Conservatives have for years moaned about John Major&#39;s surprising victory over Neil Kinnock after deposing Margaret Thatcher.  Many wish they had lost.</p>
<p>At the time this win seemed great.  Problem was:  Major got stuck with an economy that was tanking&#8230;a pound that got hammered and had to humiliatingly leave the Eurozone&#8230;and worst of all:  Kinnock resigned, to be replaced by a chap who died&#8230;and then came Tony Blair.</p>
<p>Blair had Obama magic&#8230;but he was the real deal!  Machiavellian and charismatic.  He came in when the economy was recovering&#8230;hammered the Conservatives (and his own Looney Left) mercilessly year after year&#8230;and the Conservatives have been in the wilderness ever since.</p>
<p>Long term:  If Obama beats McCain&#8230;he is stuck trying to fix a battered economy with an untested economic team&#8230;he will have to raise taxes to fix the deficit with a Democratic Senate and House (GOP Senators mocked Obama&#39;s economic plan by tabling legislation mandating all of it TWO WEEKS ago. Reid shut it down) </p>
<p>Worst of all:  the Vietnam helicopter on the embassy moment will come on President Obama&#39;s watch!  A Democrat&#8230;elected on an immediate withdrawal plan that will accelerate civil war&#8230;presiding over a humiliating withdrawal (American troops will, of course, be under fire all the way &#8212; and if you know anything about retreats in military history, they can be brutal).</p>
<p>Bad for the US, undeniably.  But a clean Democratic sweep in the Fall could be long term GOLD for the GOP.</p>
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