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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 15:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elrod I hope you&#039;re wrong, because when voting becomes a census that&#039;s poisonous to democracy as both a whole and to the identity groups. After all, I think you  can make a good argument that political groups that are very strongly for one part consistently (African Americans for Democrats or evangelical religious for Republicans) end up just getting lip service. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d just like to point out the poll covered March 11-16. This was right at the peak of the Wright then and before Obama addressed it with that speech. Also, he hasn&#039;t campaigned in the state that much. A ton may change in the next month.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elrod I hope you&#39;re wrong, because when voting becomes a census that&#39;s poisonous to democracy as both a whole and to the identity groups. After all, I think you  can make a good argument that political groups that are very strongly for one part consistently (African Americans for Democrats or evangelical religious for Republicans) end up just getting lip service. </p>
<p>I&#39;d just like to point out the poll covered March 11-16. This was right at the peak of the Wright then and before Obama addressed it with that speech. Also, he hasn&#39;t campaigned in the state that much. A ton may change in the next month.</p>
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		<title>By: Whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also involved in this is the fact that Barak Obama only has one thing going for him.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Judgment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His judgment failed.  He made a really bad series of political judgments.  Even going so far as to continue to bash Geraldine Ferraro during his speech which in some quarters that you are not hearing about is causing a great stir of restlessness in the democratic party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Judgment errors.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Failed to deal with the church thing early on.&lt;br&gt;Called into question another womans integrity over race and  gender.&lt;br&gt;Set in the pews for 20 years and did nothing.&lt;br&gt;His wifes comments when analyzed mirror quite extensively the Rev. Wright&#039;s. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;His main and most outstanding virtue is now diminished considerably.  His judgment is in question.  Not his race.  I don&#039;t think a majority of people believe he is a bad person now, or a racist but his main virtue has been tarnished by this.  His judgment failed and they are now making a series of mistakes over this.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are guilty of having a lead and playing prevent defense and it might cost them.   Once again I see at play here the democrats ability to take a certain win and turn it into defeat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also involved in this is the fact that Barak Obama only has one thing going for him.</p>
<p>Judgment.</p>
<p>His judgment failed.  He made a really bad series of political judgments.  Even going so far as to continue to bash Geraldine Ferraro during his speech which in some quarters that you are not hearing about is causing a great stir of restlessness in the democratic party.</p>
<p>Judgment errors.</p>
<p>Failed to deal with the church thing early on.<br />Called into question another womans integrity over race and  gender.<br />Set in the pews for 20 years and did nothing.<br />His wifes comments when analyzed mirror quite extensively the Rev. Wright&#39;s. </p>
<p>His main and most outstanding virtue is now diminished considerably.  His judgment is in question.  Not his race.  I don&#39;t think a majority of people believe he is a bad person now, or a racist but his main virtue has been tarnished by this.  His judgment failed and they are now making a series of mistakes over this.  </p>
<p>They are guilty of having a lead and playing prevent defense and it might cost them.   Once again I see at play here the democrats ability to take a certain win and turn it into defeat.</p>
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		<title>By: vwcat</title>
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		<dc:creator>vwcat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:58:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Since Obama has spent a week and half with the cable news doing the endless loop and over obsession over the Wright deal and Obama has not really campaigned in Pennsylvania, I think the polls there would reflect this.&lt;br&gt;Let&#039;s see what happens in a few weeks when things die down and the man campaigns in Penn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Since Obama has spent a week and half with the cable news doing the endless loop and over obsession over the Wright deal and Obama has not really campaigned in Pennsylvania, I think the polls there would reflect this.<br />Let&#39;s see what happens in a few weeks when things die down and the man campaigns in Penn.</p>
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		<title>By: Whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 14:02:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let us also not forget that in the context of what the Rev. Wright said.  What the powerful implications of what he preached meant.  Then sitting in the backs of our minds were this comment by Barak Obama&#039;s wife.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;“For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ordinarily this type of comment would go unnoticed but in the context of the Rev. Wright speech and Barak Obamas insistence that the Rev. Wright somehow has no influence over his families thought process while sitting in the pews for 20 years.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is this one statement.  Powerful and like a neon sign flashing, screaming an endorsement of the Rev. Wright and his sermon.  I think this is why you are seeing the numbers drop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let us also not forget that in the context of what the Rev. Wright said.  What the powerful implications of what he preached meant.  Then sitting in the backs of our minds were this comment by Barak Obama&#39;s wife.  </p>
<p>“For the first time in my adult lifetime, I’m really proud of my country. And not just because Barack has done well, but because I think people are hungry for change.”</p>
<p>Ordinarily this type of comment would go unnoticed but in the context of the Rev. Wright speech and Barak Obamas insistence that the Rev. Wright somehow has no influence over his families thought process while sitting in the pews for 20 years.</p>
<p>There is this one statement.  Powerful and like a neon sign flashing, screaming an endorsement of the Rev. Wright and his sermon.  I think this is why you are seeing the numbers drop.</p>
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		<title>By: Whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:43:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We have superdelegates for a reason: to save the party.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I would disagree and I think everyone who is a part of this primary process are a bit confused as to what the superdelegates represent.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Lets pretend for a second that we did not have the super delegates and we arrive at the primary process with Mr. Obama leading by say 100 delegates.  Now in the typical democratic process this should enable Barak Obama to become the parties nominee.  I mean after all in the grueling primary season that lasted for 5 months............HE WON.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now enter reality.  We arrive at the convention in Denver.  Barak Obama is ahead in pledged delegates by 100 but now comes those people who want to save the party from itself.  Hillary Clinton somehow pulls out a win despite having lost the popular vote, and the pledged delegate vote.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Has the party saved us from ourselves?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fact.  Tuesday’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to allow Washington state to hold “top-two” primaries could change the face of local and statewide politics.  The  power of the super delegates has now quadrupled by this ruling.  Not today but in 20 or 50 years from now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Fact. In 1988, a study found that superdelegates and delegates selected through the primary and caucus process are not substantively different in terms of viewpoints on issues from each other. But it also found that superdelegates are more likely to prefer candidates with Washington experience than outsider candidates&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Resulting conclusion.  Not mine but published conclusions.  Some Democrats believed that these changes had unduly diminished the role of party leaders and elected officials, weakening the Democratic tickets of George McGovern and Jimmy Carter.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Super delegates are about as undemocratic as it comes.  Now combine this with the supreme court decision and it is very possible that in the coming years we are going to see the two party system diminished to the point that super delegates ultimately decide who THEY want to be in charge of almost everything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We have superdelegates for a reason: to save the party.  </p>
<p>I would disagree and I think everyone who is a part of this primary process are a bit confused as to what the superdelegates represent.</p>
<p>Lets pretend for a second that we did not have the super delegates and we arrive at the primary process with Mr. Obama leading by say 100 delegates.  Now in the typical democratic process this should enable Barak Obama to become the parties nominee.  I mean after all in the grueling primary season that lasted for 5 months&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;HE WON.</p>
<p>Now enter reality.  We arrive at the convention in Denver.  Barak Obama is ahead in pledged delegates by 100 but now comes those people who want to save the party from itself.  Hillary Clinton somehow pulls out a win despite having lost the popular vote, and the pledged delegate vote.</p>
<p>Has the party saved us from ourselves?</p>
<p>Fact.  Tuesday’s decision by the U.S. Supreme Court to allow Washington state to hold “top-two” primaries could change the face of local and statewide politics.  The  power of the super delegates has now quadrupled by this ruling.  Not today but in 20 or 50 years from now.</p>
<p>Fact. In 1988, a study found that superdelegates and delegates selected through the primary and caucus process are not substantively different in terms of viewpoints on issues from each other. But it also found that superdelegates are more likely to prefer candidates with Washington experience than outsider candidates</p>
<p>Resulting conclusion.  Not mine but published conclusions.  Some Democrats believed that these changes had unduly diminished the role of party leaders and elected officials, weakening the Democratic tickets of George McGovern and Jimmy Carter.</p>
<p>Super delegates are about as undemocratic as it comes.  Now combine this with the supreme court decision and it is very possible that in the coming years we are going to see the two party system diminished to the point that super delegates ultimately decide who THEY want to be in charge of almost everything.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSilver</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulSilver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 13:40:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From RealClearPolitics which averages all the major polls:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;                                  Obama-Clinton&lt;br&gt;Nat&#039;l RCP Average	47.3 - 44.2	Obama +3.1&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;General Election 	McCain-Obama 	McCain-Clinton&lt;br&gt;National	                     McCain +1.4	McCain +1.3</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From RealClearPolitics which averages all the major polls:</p>
<p>                                  Obama-Clinton<br />Nat&#39;l RCP Average	47.3 &#8211; 44.2	Obama +3.1</p>
<p>General Election 	McCain-Obama 	McCain-Clinton<br />National	                     McCain +1.4	McCain +1.3</p>
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		<title>By: ryan</title>
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		<dc:creator>ryan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 07:44:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Continuing on will result in a party implosion.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Mike Huckabee proved that a candidate who is basically out of the race can stick around without significantly hurting the party.  While Clinton and her supporters might not want to admit it, the math against her makes her odds of being the nominee next-to-impossible (note: including Ohio and Texas she has still fallen further behind in pledged delegates since the &quot;firewall&quot; election), and while she has every right to stay in the race, for the sake of the party she would do well to follow the lead of Huckabee and campaign in a way that does not harm Obama.  She obviously doesn&#039;t have to say that Obama is a better candidate, but attacking his experience and suitability to lead should stop.  If she continues to attack, which it looks like she will, then it would be appropriate for the superdelegates to exercise their role as stewards of the party and begin to make their voices heard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Having two candidates in the race is a nice insurance policy should some horrendous scandal erupt around either one, but it needs to be done in a way that respects the fact that the math has all-but-decided this race.  If that doesn&#039;t happen then I agree with Elrod that the super-delegates should find a way to end the uncertainty and commit to a candidate, rather than letting this drag on any longer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Continuing on will result in a party implosion.&#8221;</p>
<p>Mike Huckabee proved that a candidate who is basically out of the race can stick around without significantly hurting the party.  While Clinton and her supporters might not want to admit it, the math against her makes her odds of being the nominee next-to-impossible (note: including Ohio and Texas she has still fallen further behind in pledged delegates since the &#8220;firewall&#8221; election), and while she has every right to stay in the race, for the sake of the party she would do well to follow the lead of Huckabee and campaign in a way that does not harm Obama.  She obviously doesn&#39;t have to say that Obama is a better candidate, but attacking his experience and suitability to lead should stop.  If she continues to attack, which it looks like she will, then it would be appropriate for the superdelegates to exercise their role as stewards of the party and begin to make their voices heard.</p>
<p>Having two candidates in the race is a nice insurance policy should some horrendous scandal erupt around either one, but it needs to be done in a way that respects the fact that the math has all-but-decided this race.  If that doesn&#39;t happen then I agree with Elrod that the super-delegates should find a way to end the uncertainty and commit to a candidate, rather than letting this drag on any longer.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 06:08:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I said after Mississippi, the election is now a census, not a primary.  There are certain states Obama cannot win and certain states Clinton cannot win. But the final result will not change. Clinton cannot overtake Obama in pledged delegates. And it&#039;s virtually impossible for her to win in the popular vote. So we&#039;ll drag this out and hear more about blue collar whites and blacks and young people and old people and white women and Independents and Latinos and how nobody in the Democratic Party likes each other. And a once spirited and energetic race turns increasingly brutal and negative. And John McCain walks away scot free.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We have superdelegates for a reason: to save the party. Continuing on will result in a party implosion.  That&#039;s why Bill Richardson stepped in. Hopefully others will follow soon.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I said after Mississippi, the election is now a census, not a primary.  There are certain states Obama cannot win and certain states Clinton cannot win. But the final result will not change. Clinton cannot overtake Obama in pledged delegates. And it&#39;s virtually impossible for her to win in the popular vote. So we&#39;ll drag this out and hear more about blue collar whites and blacks and young people and old people and white women and Independents and Latinos and how nobody in the Democratic Party likes each other. And a once spirited and energetic race turns increasingly brutal and negative. And John McCain walks away scot free.</p>
<p>We have superdelegates for a reason: to save the party. Continuing on will result in a party implosion.  That&#39;s why Bill Richardson stepped in. Hopefully others will follow soon.</p>
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		<title>By: philadelphia</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 05:52:54 +0000</pubDate>
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