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Wow.

That’s the single, befuddled reaction I’m able to muster after reading some of the negative critiques of Obama’s speech yesterday: Wow.

Wow … what happened to careful, accurate analysis? Wow … when did the ability to hear and understand and appreciate nuance die? Wow … is “benefit of the doubt” a permanently lost luxury?

Andrew Sullivan had his own “moment of revelation” after reading such critiques. He later concluded that Obama’s speech “was the right speech, with the right nuance and brave. If America cannot embrace such complexity, then that says more about our current polity than it does about Obama.”

I disagree with Sullivan to an extent; namely, I do not think the majority of the negative critiques are motivated by racism — and that’s a point on which Sullivan seems to now feel chastened after others challenged him. Where I do agree with Sullivan is on this point: Many of the negative critiques suffer from a failure to appreciate the complexity and totality of Obama’s speech.

Case in point:

One commentator — to whom I won’t link in this particular case, for a variety of reasons — wrote the following, yesterday …

I like how [Obama] didn’t disavow Wright because, he says, that would mean that he would disavow the [African-American] community as a whole. That means that all blacks and all black churches hate whites and [are] racist. But that’s not the case. Pastors, black pastors, even came on tv in recent days, to explain that Wright isn’t mainstream.

… I think it’s a good speech because I know how some people react to it; the target audience will be ‘inspired’ by his speech. So, it’s a good speech. But for me: it’s mostly empty rhetoric disguised as deep thoughts and [Obama is], as I see it, saying everyone should just accept that blacks – seemingly all blacks according to Obama – hate America, hate Jews and hate whites.

But that’s not at all what Obama said. Speaking about his Church and Wright, Obama said:

The church contains in full the kindness and cruelty, the fierce intelligence and the shocking ignorance, the struggles and successes, the love and yes, the bitterness and bias that make up the black experience in America.

And this helps explain, perhaps, my relationship with Reverend Wright. As imperfect as he may be, he has been like family to me. He strengthened my faith, officiated my wedding, and baptized my children. Not once in my conversations with him have I heard him talk about any ethnic group in derogatory terms, or treat whites with whom he interacted with anything but courtesy and respect. He contains within him the contradictions – the good and the bad – of the community that he has served diligently for so many years.

Net: What Obama said is precisely the opposite of what the above-referenced commentator accused him of saying.

Rather than painting all blacks with the same brush, Obama recognized that some blacks (like some whites) have hateful views, much as some members of Obama’s church do (much as some members of my church do). Rev. Wright holds both views — but the predominant views Obama heard from the man were based on love, not hate. Hence, Obama can no more disown the entirety of Wright because a minority of the Reverend’s expressions are hateful, any more than Obama can disown the entirety of his church because a presumed minority of its members are hateful, any more than he can reject all of black or white culture because a minority of their respective members are hateful.

What he can do is acknowledge and reject the hateful elements in Wright, in his church, in his culture, in his country — study and understand the reasons for that hate — and then build bridges to the things we hold in common, the values we share. And that’s precisely what Obama did Tuesday and what he encouraged the rest of us to do: Acknowledge and reject hate; understand its origins/causes; build bridges based on that understanding.

A short moment later in his speech, Obama — as if anticipating the type of distortion the aformentioned commentator would make — said:

Some will see this as an attempt to justify or excuse comments that are simply inexcusable. I can assure you it is not. I suppose the politically safe thing would be to move on from this episode and just hope that it fades into the woodwork. We can dismiss Reverend Wright as a crank or a demagogue, just as some have dismissed Geraldine Ferraro, in the aftermath of her recent statements, as harboring some deep-seated racial bias.

But race is an issue that I believe this nation cannot afford to ignore right now. We would be making the same mistake that Reverend Wright made in his offending sermons about America — to simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.

Let me repeat those words: “simplify and stereotype and amplify the negative to the point that it distorts reality.”

Now, in the event my words are distorted, let me be painfully clear: I’m not saying all commentary critical of Obama’s speech distorts reality. To the contrary: What I am saying is that commentary which fails to accurately report what Obama said distorts reality. I would further agree with Obama that such distorted commentary is just as bad, just as destructive, as anything Rev. Wright said.

And here’s the real kicker: The sloppy analysis referenced above came from someone whom I believe is generally careful, intelligent, well-read and fair-minded. What concerns me is this: If generally careful, intelligent, well-read, fair-minded people can so grossly misinterpret Obama’s speech, what happens to that speech in the hands of the less-careful, less-intelligent, less-read, less-fair-minded?

I’ve long been a believer in the wisdom of crowds, though I’ve never believed said wisdom is universally applicable or reliable. This could very well be one of the crowd’s poorer moments, if the sort of half-witted analysis I’ve seen of late becomes the predominant translation of Obama’s intent.

  • GeorgeSorwell
    I feel a similar disappointment. I think you've articulated it well.

    Time will tell about this.
  • DLS
    "[W]hat happens to that speech in the hands of the less-careful, less-intelligent, less-read, less-fair-minded?"

    They think the speech was fabulous _and_ furthermore, that Wright is right [tm]!
  • CStanley
    All this really boils down to is that you disagree with the conclusion drawn in the first paragraph that you quoted. The 'commenter' said that since Obama said he can't disavow Wright without disavowing all black people. Obama said other things in the speech (as you point out) that indicate that this conclusion isn't something he would agree with either.

    But what's the alternative? Why can Obama not disavow Wright without disavowing all blacks? It's quite simple; if Wright represents a certain angry (and generally older generation) black man, then disavow that group and be done with it- you're then not disavowing all blacks, as Obama has asserted he'd be doing with that action.

    And that's the problem; you can disagree with the conclusion and Obama can (and did) indicate disgreement with it, but the conclusion itself is logical until proven otherwise.

    So, who can explain how it would be logically consistent to take some other understanding from that part of the speech? Why not disavow a certain group of blacks, a certain ideology?
  • CStanley
    My second sentence should read: "The 'commenter' said that since Obama said he can't disavow Wright without disavowing all black people, that this means he's saying that all blacks share the same racist beliefs that Wright does."
  • DLS
    "I feel a similar disappointment."

    Wright is worse toxic waste than Bill Clinton, and that takes quite some doing. People object to Wright on patriotic as well as political grounds.

    "Time will tell about this."

    The cult-groupies don't care about it and even would defend not only Obama but also Wright. Many conservatives (including those who seethed about Michelle Obama's finally-proud remark earlier) are outraged by Wright's sermons. Others may resent it on political more than patriotic grounds, and I'd part company with those others because PC and even extremist (as we see here) leftist activism and Democratic partisanship has been a staple of many black churches (and the Religious Left elsewhere) since at least the Reagan era. Wright is also a liability to Obama because Wright is in an informal leadership position and it becomes an easy matter to associate Obama with Wright but with, say, Al Sharpton and of course, Jesse Jackson (this may have been one motive of the Clinton campaign's references to Jackson earlier in the year; we may encounter more of this later) and other members of the co-called (PC, hard-core Dem) black leadership (including the NAACP and that organ!). That leadership now hands Clinton an opportunity, one I doubt she'll try to take now (given events up to today).

    Given the strong popularity of Obama among so many of his core voters, I don't believe that Wright will have constituted a fatal blow to Obama's campaign, no matter how loud some of the critics (mainly rightfully) are. In fact, a sneaky thing for the Obama campaign to do psychologically is to conduct a whispering campaign about Obama, Reczko, Wright, and Teflon, and say he really is another Reagan.

    This helped Clinton and hurt Obama, but I doubt substantially; don't forget that Clinton has several negatives and that may inhibit many people's decision to switch candidates even if they revile Wright.
  • DLS
    "Why not disavow a certain group of blacks, a certain ideology?"

    Especially when the older generation is being pursued, however clumsily, by Clinton.
  • PaulSilver
    I am not so sure that reason has much to do with why people support Democrats or Republicans, Clinton or Obama. Deeper values, fears and hopes are at play.
    Some candidates are reassuring to those who are scared and want protection. Some reassure those who embrace the exhilaration of diversity. And some inspire those who welcome opportunities to interconnect.
  • DLS
    "Deeper values, fears and hopes are at play."

    Disappointment, discouragement, disgrace, or disgust with Republicans, I'd admit. It's a D year for all politicians.
  • DLS
    I also left out entitlement goodies, but that always is on the minds of many.
  • joegandelman
    Putting aside the specific comments you site, Pete. There is a real problem with American politics right now. More than ever, people will cherry pick what someone says and only use the things that support their original beliefs. You see this all over the spectrum. I'm not as optimistic as Sullivan. Stories today said the GOP felt the Wright issue is a godsend since it can combine patriotism and also one story (I think the politico) had a subtext of race. YOU KNOW the commercial that will come and it will not show nuance. And the bottom line is that many Americans are not interested in nuance, partly because our political culture -- TV, radio, political debate -- is set up for controversy, sharp disagreements, etc. I think the days of lofty debates are over. NOW: his speech will likely go down as an incredible statement on race by a politician. I still think he can win a race against McCain -- just look at the economy. But people see what they want to see. As Paul notes, there are hopes, fears...ALSO mixed with a heavy dose of preconceived ideas and perceptions hammered into peoples skulls by the images they see and hear...which involves choices. Just look at the Internet where many people will only go to sites with which they already totally agree.
  • Slamfu
    "Why can Obama not disavow Wright without disavowing all blacks?"

    It wasn't about disavowing all blacks. Obama was married by the guy, and then the entire country asked him to write him off because he spoke his mind at church. And Obama didn't do it and he elaborated pretty clearly why.

    Basically in a nutshell, if I pretend I never had anything to do with anyone I know becaue they suddenly become a liability, then its indeed politics as usual, and the voters of America know it. Instead, lets think of why I might know this guy in the first place and open ourselves up to the idea that even though he's quick to blame his own country for things that went wrong, maybe he's still got something to offer people. Maybe he doesn't need to get burned at the stake for that, especially since I'm trying to get people to take a harder look at the big picture. Maybe behind the difference in opinon of the why and the how we all still want the same thing in the end and need to stick together.
  • Dood
    This situation contains race, patriotism and religion. It will not be forgotten.

    It will cost Obama very much among indies that were considering supporting him, and it plays very nicely into the Repub playbook of wrapping their candidate in the flag for POTUS elections.

    I'm sure they have already cut the commercials featuring Rev Wright.
  • "It will cost Obama very much among indies that were considering supporting him, and it plays very nicely into the Repub playbook of wrapping their candidate in the flag for POTUS elections."

    There is a strong argument to make that Independents are the ones most tired of the flag-wrapping politics-as-usual, which is why Obama appeals to them. If the attacks against him are the usual mess of cherrypicking statements to tear down his character and question his patriotism (something that anyone paying attention knows is bull) then it may just backfire this time - there is palpable anger at those who go negative, and a growing realization that negative campaigning reflects more on the person engaging in that behavior than in the target of that behavior.
  • elrod
    There's a more basic reason for some of the inane "skepticism" about Obama's speech. There are people who, for whatever reason, don't want him to be President. It might be inexperience, or his ideology, or even his background. The Wright issue is merely fodder - an easy tool to explain why one doesn't have to support him. So when Obama offers a logically compelling reason why he doesn't accept Wright's politics but refuses to disavow the man completely - hate the sin but love the sinner - those who planned to use the Wright story as an excuse to reject Obama are simply flailing and confused. It's total cognitive disconnect.

    ironically, the same thing happened to Bush with the TANG story in 2004. Did any Bush opponent really care about Bush's National Guard service? No. Even if he served, he still didn't go to Vietnam. But when Dan Rather trumped up a story about Bush and TANG, so many opponents of Bush - for other reasons - defended the TANG story to the very end. It's about sides, not logic.

    This is how politics works. We rarely support or oppose candidates because of discrete events or supporters or statements. We take a more totalizing approach, and we use these episodes to bolster our case to the shrinking minority of undecided voters.

    Now, that said, if someone really is caught doing something bad then they can genuinely hemorrhage support. If Obama had tried to justify Wright's 9/11 comments, for example, then his own support base would have crumbled. But Obama clearly does not believe in the paranoid black nationalism of Wright. It is now about association and not values - as he made fully clear in his speech - and those who make illogical arguments about Obama's speech never liked him in the first place.
  • vwcat
    Dood, I disagree. It will be forgotten in a week and fade. The ads that the right will use will be countered with the far right preachers like Robertson and Hagee, et. al. and it will be a battle of which side's preachers are worse. People will tune it out as stupid in general.
    You get alot of ignorance from a sound bite and talk radio culture that promotes shallow thought. Then you have the civil war between the two democrats supporters and the ever fun wingers. It is sad that you cannot find people willing to keep their minds open and just listen to something and think about it. Then discuss it calmly. It's like, acting like Fox Noise hosts makes people feel they are so bad and cool.
    They don't realize they look like fools instead.
    And that is what the appeal of Obama is. He doesn't indulge in the behavior that promotes this culture.
  • DLS
    I believe Obama took a risk with his speech and he and his campaign have succeeded once again. That is, I believe the other-than-cultist fans of him are still behind him rather than leaving him in large numbers because of the Wright mischief. There are plenty of other people in black churches and black "leader" celebrities that have similar political hard-core-Dem, PC, and extremist views. Obama doesn't seem like the same kind of person at all. (In fact, many of these farther-left black Americans favor Hilllary Clinton because of their devotion to the Democratic Party and its leadership. That had to have helped Obama somewhat.)
  • Wow … what happened to careful, accurate analysis? Wow … when did the ability to hear and understand and appreciate nuance die? Wow … is “benefit of the doubt” a permanently lost luxury?

    When the media slapped their foreheads and said "Gee he really is a politician after all."
  • domajot
    Something Joe said struck a resouinding bell with me.; 'The days of lofty debates are over."
    Absolutley true. How did we manage to discard intellectual and philosophical discussions in favor of the rather shallow, anything -to-score-a point political arguments of today?

    I've been discussing this via e-mail, and even the most conservative of my group (3) agree that most of the failure to understand the gist of Obama's speech is a willful failure of political convenience

    What is most difficult for us to wittle down to clear questions for debate is the topic of appropriate means of expressing dissent. We are still prone to go off on tangents there.
    Oddly, it's the black friend living in Berkely, California who is harshest on Rev. Wright and Obama's association with him. That would seem to back up Paul's comment about politics being a personal and emotional matter: how does this affect me? Even he, understands what Obama was trying to say, though, and his criticism is more about tactics than essence.

    The more centrist and liberal of us, even those who wouldn't vote for Obama in a genral election. are all solidly behind his speech and see it as a monumental moment in American public life. All of us can separate Obama, the politician in the flesh ,from Obama's message.

    He touched on this briefly, but I would love to hear Obama speak at length about productive vs corrosive ways of debating differences. I can't think of another current public figure with the intellectual power to do it. Even Obama can't do it now. Maybe, one day.
  • CStanley
    Slamfu: the quote I referenced was from Obama's speech. I didn't make it up, nor did the commenter whose blog post is the subject of this thread. True that Obama also included the personal connection that he had as a reason for not disowning Wright, but there's no getting around the fact that he said "I can no more disown him than I can disown the black community."

    And I asked the question earlier, but no one has responded: why is it illogical to say that this statement implies that all black people think as Wright does? In fact, that is the logical conclusion that a listener would have, and there's much there that could and should offend black people who aren't racists (and in fact, the commenter who wrote that criticism on that point also mentions that some blacks have expressed offense at it.)

    Now, I don't for a minute think that this is what Obama believes, or that he meant it that way. But why is it wrong to point out that this is in fact what is implicit in that statement- that it was a mistake to say it that way? Is he somehow above a critical analysis, just because the speech on the whole was good?

    Or, if Pete or someone else can demonstrate how that particular criticism was 'sloppy' or inaccurate, go ahead. But so far, no one has answered my question, other than to point out that there were OTHER reasons (personal ones) that Obama feels he couldn't disavow Wright. Fair enough, but if that's the real reason then he should have left this part out.

    I think it's a fair criticism, not because I'd have wanted Obama to publicly tar and feather Wright- but because if he's serious about now understanding how incendiary Wright's attitudes are, he should have gone further in explaining why he didn't realize that before. He could have done that by pointing out how the friendship blinded him to it, or that the good works of the TUCC community blinded him to this other stuff going on, or whatever. But he really didn't go there, and that was a big missed opportunity IMO. As it is, he comes across as less serious than he ought to be about standing up to black racism just as much as to white racism.

    Overall I thought it was a very good speech, and one that probably did what it needed to do (both in helping Obama plug up hemorrhaging from his campaign and in opening a much needed dialogue about race relations, in a way that is natural instead of contrived to help his campaign.)

    As domajot says, we can separate the politician from the message. In that sense, though, I think those who don't want to analyze the politics of the speech are going overboard. It's fine to point out that some people are fawning over it too much, and some are criticizing it too much, but in criticizing people for willfully misconstruing it we should also be careful not to willfully misconstrue what those people actually said about the speech. If you disagree with the specific points made by critics, then you have to demonstrate why that person was wrong in their analysis, and on this one point I don't think the commenter being criticized was wrong to point out a flaw in the speech.

    Again, Pete is right to point out that in other parts of the speech, Obama clearly indicated that he DOESN'T think that all blacks are racist. But this one statement does imply that- or at least it implies that the black community supports racist members and wouldn't want him to call them out on it too strongly. And of course the reason some of us object to that is that we feel that racism can't be the response to racism- that someone like Obama needs to call them out on it, to disavow that segment of black culture more stridently. He's in a unique position to do that, and he's coming closer than most any black poliiician before him has, but some of us believe he needs to go a bit farther (despite realizing how difficult that is.)
  • CStanley
    I want to point out, in case anyone else catches this....

    My recollection of the speech had Obama saying that he could not 'disavow' when actually I see that the word he used was 'disown'. That actually makes more sense and leaves him less open to the criticism that was applied here.

    But it also highlights again the missed opportunity; he could have said that he can't disown the person of Wright (nor the person of his grandmother) but he can (and must) disavow their racist views. That would have made a stronger point (sort of the 'hate the sin, love the sinner' meme) and would have underscored what I think is his true belief: that we have to accept that some blacks and some whites still harbor resentment which shows up as racism, but we don't have to consider those attitudes are actually acceptable any longer. We have to tell people like that that we understand their feelings but their feelings will have to be put aside in order to move on from the past.
  • Pete Abel
    CStanley -- to your last comment. Exactly. And that's exactly what Obama said in his speech. Read the whole thing. Read his strong condemnation of these remarks. He very clearly voices hate for the sin, but love for the sinner.
  • CStanley
    No, Pete, I don't see that. I see that he came close, but missed the mark- particularly by saying that he could not disown Wright or his grandmother- but then not going on in the same section of the speech to explain what he meant by that.

    To repeat an earlier point: perhaps the commenter was wrong to say that his statement meant that Obama thinks all blacks are racist- but it still is the case that he implies that the black community isn't willing to have their racism called out.
  • CStanley
    A related point, Pete- what I see missing is Obama not taking responsibility for having waited until now to condemn the 'controversial' remarks. By not explaining that, he comes pretty close to excusing that, as though we all understand that we should just tolerate views like that because we understand where they come from.
  • Pete Abel
    Christine -- fair questions. I will answer them in a follow-up post shortly.
  • GeorgeSorwell
    John Kerry is a war hero, with the medals to prove it.

    Everyone saw what happened to him in 2004, at the hands of the political party whose members fancy themselves as supporters of the military.

    Why wouldn't Republicans misrepresent Obama in a way that suits their own political ambitions? Don't you think they've misrepresented Hillary Clinton?

    One of the problems with out current politics is that Republicans get rewarded for doing this.

    It's not like they can run on the issues.

    As for that "commenter", maybe he's just sloppy or maybe he's acting in bad faith. Either way, he's just going to accuse you of sloppiness or bad faith.

    It's time to break that cycle.
  • CStanley
    OK, fair enough on your part, too, Pete. I want to also add, that in being critical of Obama I do understand the enormous task he's being asked to undertake with this. It's obviously not possible for one man to undo years of racial divisions- but I don't think we do anyone any favors by accepting a watered down attempt. It's fair enough to say that Obama is just opening the dialogue with this- but that's exactly how I see it, a pretty good start which shows we still have more work to do.
  • Pete Abel
    Christine -- as promised, my response:

    http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blo...
  • Lynx
    CSTanley, though Pete in his new post explains it well, I'd like to add my two cents. The line that seems to be the center of controversy, where Obama says he can't disown (or disavow) Wright any more than he can the black community. Well, I don't get the same message from that line as you do. to me it's more him saying that Wright, as wrong as he is, IS a part, a portion of the black community, and you can't just wish him, or at least that nasty part of him, away. Now, you and I have different interpretations on the very same line of speech. This is normal.

    That's what the rest of the speech is for.

    You see, what I see as the flaw is that you seem to have an issue with one part of his speech that would lead you to believe he might not be willing to reject Wright's views. But plenty of places in the REST of the speech show that he does just that. It's ok that you worry about that one line, and if he had just said that I would agree with you, but he said a lot of other things, and they are directly related. I think it's misguided to point to one piece of the speech and decide on one interpretation of it, while ignoring the rest of the speech, where he specifically notes that that interpretation is wrong.
  • CStanley
    OK, Lynx, I get that....

    But first, you are apparently agreeing with me that people can have different interpretions or reactions to the speech without being a sign of intellectual dishonesty as Pete and Justin seem to assert.

    And second, you see the rest of the speech as answering the question I ask abou that one section- and I get that too- but then I put the whole speech up against the 20 years of doing nothing about the divisive rhetoric that was prevalent in his large church- and then the whole speech ends up coming across as a politically expedient one instead of a sincere expression of his belief about how important it is to marginalize the older, angry ideas about racism.

    Get it?
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