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		<title>By: hthalljr</title>
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		<dc:creator>hthalljr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 20 Mar 2008 18:24:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Shaun, you did well to provide a link to Romney&#039;s speech, so that readers could judge for themselves the absurdity of your characterization thereof as a &quot;small minded&quot; appeal to &quot;Christian conservatives.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In fact, his speech was necessitated by small-minded anti-Mormon evangelical political operatives, spearheaded by the official organ of the Southern Baptist Convention, the Baptist Press, which &quot;just happened&quot; to run an &quot;informative&quot; series on Mormonism the very week of his speech (Dec 6 2007). To boost Huckabee&#039;s surge in Iowa, the BP made sure that its readers understood that Mormonism is &quot;false,&quot; &quot;unbiblical,&quot; and &quot;not Christian.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Had Romney wanted to pander to these bigots, he would not have specifically mentioned things he admires in Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam. So much for the &quot;Christian nation&quot; smear.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;For those who read to comprehend rather than to seek fault, Romney did, in fact, throw a bone to unbelievers, which they ignored with contempt:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;In such a world, we can be deeply thankful that we live in a land where reason and religion are friends and allies in the cause of liberty, joined against the evils and dangers of the day.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Tracy Hall Jr&lt;br&gt;hthalljr&#039;gmail&#039;com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun, you did well to provide a link to Romney&#39;s speech, so that readers could judge for themselves the absurdity of your characterization thereof as a &#8220;small minded&#8221; appeal to &#8220;Christian conservatives.&#8221;</p>
<p>In fact, his speech was necessitated by small-minded anti-Mormon evangelical political operatives, spearheaded by the official organ of the Southern Baptist Convention, the Baptist Press, which &#8220;just happened&#8221; to run an &#8220;informative&#8221; series on Mormonism the very week of his speech (Dec 6 2007). To boost Huckabee&#39;s surge in Iowa, the BP made sure that its readers understood that Mormonism is &#8220;false,&#8221; &#8220;unbiblical,&#8221; and &#8220;not Christian.&#8221;</p>
<p>Had Romney wanted to pander to these bigots, he would not have specifically mentioned things he admires in Catholicism, Judaism, and Islam. So much for the &#8220;Christian nation&#8221; smear.</p>
<p>For those who read to comprehend rather than to seek fault, Romney did, in fact, throw a bone to unbelievers, which they ignored with contempt:</p>
<p>&#8220;In such a world, we can be deeply thankful that we live in a land where reason and religion are friends and allies in the cause of liberty, joined against the evils and dangers of the day.&#8221;</p>
<p>Tracy Hall Jr<br />hthalljr&#39;gmail&#39;com</p>
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		<title>By: sheryl2</title>
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		<dc:creator>sheryl2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think Barack is going to be able to bridge gaps. After 20 years, Obama hasn&#039;t been very effective with his pastor, his church and his wife, all who espouse rather gloomy, sad, angry views of America. It doesn&#039;t bode well as proof that he can bring change and hope as POTUS when he can&#039;t even do it to the people closest to him. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;BTW, our worst enemy is Islamofasicm, which teaches hatred of women, non-Muslims and homosexuals. It&#039;s evil ideology is the enemy of all freedom and liberty loving people everywhere; it&#039;s in Afgahanistan, Pakistan, Algeria, Eygypt, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Jordan, Morocco, France, England, Canada, Iraq, US, etc;  it has no geographic bountries.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t think Barack is going to be able to bridge gaps. After 20 years, Obama hasn&#39;t been very effective with his pastor, his church and his wife, all who espouse rather gloomy, sad, angry views of America. It doesn&#39;t bode well as proof that he can bring change and hope as POTUS when he can&#39;t even do it to the people closest to him. </p>
<p>BTW, our worst enemy is Islamofasicm, which teaches hatred of women, non-Muslims and homosexuals. It&#39;s evil ideology is the enemy of all freedom and liberty loving people everywhere; it&#39;s in Afgahanistan, Pakistan, Algeria, Eygypt, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Jordan, Morocco, France, England, Canada, Iraq, US, etc;  it has no geographic bountries.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 05:46:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>slamfu, I agree with you when you say, &quot;This sheer balls of this speech alone has made convinced Obama is the best candidate hands down.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What Obama said was very brave (and he often puts himself on the line, having some unpopular positions).  Many politicians like to talk big and say they need to be tough (think Bush and his cowboy attitude) but they really have no power.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Bush is the most protected man on this planet but tells his enemies to, &quot;bring it on&quot;.  He says that the US doesn&#039;t torture, then finds justification for the few we do torture.  He says the US is a law abiding country, but then issues signing statements (line item vetos in essence) which get around the laws congress passes.  And let us not forget that Bush has trampled on the constitution in the name of &quot;national security&quot; and hides behind his lawyers, never admitting he nor anyone in his administration made a mistake.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What I&#039;d like is a president who backs up his words with effective actions.  Bush had a really good chance to continue his hunt for bin Laden (our nation&#039;s worst enemy) in Afghanistan/Pakistan but instead went after a castrated leader who posed no threat to the US.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Anyway, Obama taught constitutional law and clearly stands up for what he believes in.  He&#039;s a new kind of leader which can bridge many gaps.  He even acknowledged in his speech that the problem of race won&#039;t be fixed by one president.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>slamfu, I agree with you when you say, &#8220;This sheer balls of this speech alone has made convinced Obama is the best candidate hands down.&#8221;</p>
<p>What Obama said was very brave (and he often puts himself on the line, having some unpopular positions).  Many politicians like to talk big and say they need to be tough (think Bush and his cowboy attitude) but they really have no power.  </p>
<p>Bush is the most protected man on this planet but tells his enemies to, &#8220;bring it on&#8221;.  He says that the US doesn&#39;t torture, then finds justification for the few we do torture.  He says the US is a law abiding country, but then issues signing statements (line item vetos in essence) which get around the laws congress passes.  And let us not forget that Bush has trampled on the constitution in the name of &#8220;national security&#8221; and hides behind his lawyers, never admitting he nor anyone in his administration made a mistake.  </p>
<p>What I&#39;d like is a president who backs up his words with effective actions.  Bush had a really good chance to continue his hunt for bin Laden (our nation&#39;s worst enemy) in Afghanistan/Pakistan but instead went after a castrated leader who posed no threat to the US.</p>
<p>Anyway, Obama taught constitutional law and clearly stands up for what he believes in.  He&#39;s a new kind of leader which can bridge many gaps.  He even acknowledged in his speech that the problem of race won&#39;t be fixed by one president.</p>
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		<title>By: sheryl2</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 00:06:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This whole Wright/Obama scandal isn&#039;t about race from me. It&#039;s about can I vote for Obama as leader of the United States who has chosen to closely align himself with a man that speaks so hatefully about America? The answer is no. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Wright&#039;s words of hate about this country are almost indistinguishable from Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Ahmedinejad and many other enemies of this country. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Also, I feeled lied to by Barack. On Friday he said that he was unaware of the divisive statements Wright had said, yet in his speech today he said yes that he had heard those kind of statements in church. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Unfortunately, this whole ugly episode will be added to the very divisive incidents of this countries past like the OJ trial, the Rodney King, etc and has done nothing to heal wounds of the past.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This whole Wright/Obama scandal isn&#39;t about race from me. It&#39;s about can I vote for Obama as leader of the United States who has chosen to closely align himself with a man that speaks so hatefully about America? The answer is no. </p>
<p>Wright&#39;s words of hate about this country are almost indistinguishable from Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas, Ahmedinejad and many other enemies of this country. </p>
<p>Also, I feeled lied to by Barack. On Friday he said that he was unaware of the divisive statements Wright had said, yet in his speech today he said yes that he had heard those kind of statements in church. </p>
<p>Unfortunately, this whole ugly episode will be added to the very divisive incidents of this countries past like the OJ trial, the Rodney King, etc and has done nothing to heal wounds of the past.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 23:09:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Name one, Holly.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Begins with P?  [evil grin]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Name one, Holly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Begins with P?  [evil grin]</p>
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		<title>By: obama a more perfect union</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly, your just guessing.   Hoping in fact I would say.  This sheer balls of this speech alone has made convinced Obama is the best candidate hands down.   I have waited since 2000 for a politician that addresses issues head on instead of going with whatever prefab speech the pollsters says will get the job done.   Unlike every other candidate Obama bothered to explain the situation, how it fits in with the overall picture of this nation, and not sell down the river someone he knows because it was politically expedient.    Seriously, look at what he did in that speech.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly, your just guessing.   Hoping in fact I would say.  This sheer balls of this speech alone has made convinced Obama is the best candidate hands down.   I have waited since 2000 for a politician that addresses issues head on instead of going with whatever prefab speech the pollsters says will get the job done.   Unlike every other candidate Obama bothered to explain the situation, how it fits in with the overall picture of this nation, and not sell down the river someone he knows because it was politically expedient.    Seriously, look at what he did in that speech.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_P</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 22:03:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Name one, Holly.  If there are &quot;many more albatrosses,&quot; I as an Obama supporter really want to know about them, lest I make a fool of myself on election day.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Name one, Holly.  If there are &#8220;many more albatrosses,&#8221; I as an Obama supporter really want to know about them, lest I make a fool of myself on election day.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly_in_Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly_in_Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:56:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sen. Obama has many more albatrosses to remove from his neck. I continue to believe that he is neither qualified nor electable.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sen. Obama has many more albatrosses to remove from his neck. I continue to believe that he is neither qualified nor electable.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 21:36:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Lynx in that Romny did speak primarily along the lines of Gingrich&#039;s &#039;Christian nation&quot; theme.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Race and gender are represented in this campaign.  How much longer before buddhists, muslims atheists and others  can achieve as much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Lynx in that Romny did speak primarily along the lines of Gingrich&#39;s &#39;Christian nation&#8221; theme.</p>
<p>Race and gender are represented in this campaign.  How much longer before buddhists, muslims atheists and others  can achieve as much?</p>
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		<title>By: invadesoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>invadesoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 19:48:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lynx, after reading Romney&#039;s speech a little more closely, I can see a lot of what you mean.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;When you say &quot;the only one who I see regularly include non-believers in his speeches on religion is Obama,&quot; can you give an example, I haven&#039;t really seen where he mentions non-believers in this speech or elsewhere.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lynx, after reading Romney&#39;s speech a little more closely, I can see a lot of what you mean.</p>
<p>When you say &#8220;the only one who I see regularly include non-believers in his speeches on religion is Obama,&#8221; can you give an example, I haven&#39;t really seen where he mentions non-believers in this speech or elsewhere.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 18:28:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>invadesoda, speaking as a non-believer, Romney&#039;s speech was a lot more exclusionary than simply saying &quot;freedom is a gift from god&quot;. He said that religion needs freedom AND that freedom needed religion. He also fed into the myth that all the founding fathers were profound Christians and that the country was founded on the basis of Christianity. He also turned non-believers into non-persons through gems such as &quot;&quot;Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God&quot;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No, while I aknowledge that Romney was not bigoted in his speech, he used themes that non-believers are all to used to, and all to tired of hearing. Curiously enough, though I think that the least religious candidate is Clinton, the only one who I see regularly include non-believers in his speeches on religion is Obama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>invadesoda, speaking as a non-believer, Romney&#39;s speech was a lot more exclusionary than simply saying &#8220;freedom is a gift from god&#8221;. He said that religion needs freedom AND that freedom needed religion. He also fed into the myth that all the founding fathers were profound Christians and that the country was founded on the basis of Christianity. He also turned non-believers into non-persons through gems such as &#8220;&#8221;Americans acknowledge that liberty is a gift of God&#8221;.</p>
<p>No, while I aknowledge that Romney was not bigoted in his speech, he used themes that non-believers are all to used to, and all to tired of hearing. Curiously enough, though I think that the least religious candidate is Clinton, the only one who I see regularly include non-believers in his speeches on religion is Obama.</p>
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		<title>By: Marlowecan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marlowecan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, he needed to give a strong speech.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only weak part of it was the Ashley section at the end...which seems too much the work of a speech writing committee wanting to end on an uplifting  &quot;human interest&quot; note.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t know how much further Obama could go in disavowing Wright without alienating the Black community (I gather from CNN that some Black pastors have been angry with him for not defending Wright). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I suppose time will tell if Obama has quelled the stormy seas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, he needed to give a strong speech.  </p>
<p>The only weak part of it was the Ashley section at the end&#8230;which seems too much the work of a speech writing committee wanting to end on an uplifting  &#8220;human interest&#8221; note.</p>
<p>I don&#39;t know how much further Obama could go in disavowing Wright without alienating the Black community (I gather from CNN that some Black pastors have been angry with him for not defending Wright). </p>
<p>I suppose time will tell if Obama has quelled the stormy seas.</p>
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		<title>By: invadesoda</title>
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		<dc:creator>invadesoda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 17:19:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama gave a better speech than Romney (he needed to), but I don&#039;t agree that  Romney  &quot;left no room for unbelievers&quot; any more than Obama did. Romney was expressing a personal belief, held by most people, that liberty is a gift from God.  If he were an atheist, he would not believe that obviously, but atheists can speak for themselves. Romney did say he &quot;loves....the commitment to frequent prayer of the Muslims,&quot; among other religious traditions, so maybe not that small-minded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama gave a better speech than Romney (he needed to), but I don&#39;t agree that  Romney  &#8220;left no room for unbelievers&#8221; any more than Obama did. Romney was expressing a personal belief, held by most people, that liberty is a gift from God.  If he were an atheist, he would not believe that obviously, but atheists can speak for themselves. Romney did say he &#8220;loves&#8230;.the commitment to frequent prayer of the Muslims,&#8221; among other religious traditions, so maybe not that small-minded.</p>
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