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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18444/florida-primary-re-vote-nix-increases-clinton-difficulties/comment-page-1/#comment-143015</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 06:39:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whocares, &quot;Facts remain facts. With the Florida and Michigan fiasco in play the Clinton supporters are going to be outraged at losing the nomination with the sincere belief that it was STOLEN from them.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think Hill was against the DNC rules (and she has a lot of superdelegates on the committee) taking away the FL and MI delegates.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Just like the fiasco in NV, as you might recall.  It was announced that caucuses could be held in casinos, and no campaign expressed concern.  Yet when the Service Employees International Union (many of whom work in casinos) supported Obama, suddenly and at the last minute Hillary&#039;s supporters sued to have the casino caucuses banned.  Funny how Hillary doesn&#039;t have a problem with the rules, even when she can influence the outcome, but once those rules are set and something happens against her, she cries foul.  This is very different than the Bush/Gore debacle where there was a legitimate concern over the FL vote.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hillary and her supported may feel that the election was taken from them if Hill doesn&#039;t get the nomination, but even with the FL and MI delegates, i think Hillary would still be behind O in delegates (excluding superdelegates).  Not too far behind, but still behind.... &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If she hadn&#039;t agreed to the rules AND had legitimate reasons for disagreeing with those rules when she had a chance to speak up, that would be a different story.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whocares, &#8220;Facts remain facts. With the Florida and Michigan fiasco in play the Clinton supporters are going to be outraged at losing the nomination with the sincere belief that it was STOLEN from them.&#8221;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think Hill was against the DNC rules (and she has a lot of superdelegates on the committee) taking away the FL and MI delegates.</p>
<p>Just like the fiasco in NV, as you might recall.  It was announced that caucuses could be held in casinos, and no campaign expressed concern.  Yet when the Service Employees International Union (many of whom work in casinos) supported Obama, suddenly and at the last minute Hillary&#39;s supporters sued to have the casino caucuses banned.  Funny how Hillary doesn&#39;t have a problem with the rules, even when she can influence the outcome, but once those rules are set and something happens against her, she cries foul.  This is very different than the Bush/Gore debacle where there was a legitimate concern over the FL vote.</p>
<p>Hillary and her supported may feel that the election was taken from them if Hill doesn&#39;t get the nomination, but even with the FL and MI delegates, i think Hillary would still be behind O in delegates (excluding superdelegates).  Not too far behind, but still behind&#8230;. </p>
<p>If she hadn&#39;t agreed to the rules AND had legitimate reasons for disagreeing with those rules when she had a chance to speak up, that would be a different story.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 15:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:28:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To follow up so that you do not think I dislike Barak Obama.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I believe that Obama has run an effective campaign.  Played by the rules and out finiggled Hillary Clinton.  However the facts speak for themselves.  If you look at the board of states he has won.  He has won states and delegates from states that WILL NOT vote for him in November.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With the loss of Florida and Michigan both of which would have gone heavily for Clinton had they both actively campaigned there because of the make up of voters it is evident that Barak Obama has drawn his strength from muscling Hillary who made a huge mistake in believing the campaign would be over on super tuesday.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;To Barak Obamas credit.  His campaign has been pure genius driven by passionate people who truly want change for the better.  Yet.  Facts remain facts. With the Florida and Michigan fiasco in play the Clinton supporters are going to be outraged at losing the nomination with the sincere belief that it was STOLEN from them.  This will be the downfall of the Democrats in Novemeber.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To follow up so that you do not think I dislike Barak Obama.</p>
<p>I believe that Obama has run an effective campaign.  Played by the rules and out finiggled Hillary Clinton.  However the facts speak for themselves.  If you look at the board of states he has won.  He has won states and delegates from states that WILL NOT vote for him in November.</p>
<p>With the loss of Florida and Michigan both of which would have gone heavily for Clinton had they both actively campaigned there because of the make up of voters it is evident that Barak Obama has drawn his strength from muscling Hillary who made a huge mistake in believing the campaign would be over on super tuesday.</p>
<p>To Barak Obamas credit.  His campaign has been pure genius driven by passionate people who truly want change for the better.  Yet.  Facts remain facts. With the Florida and Michigan fiasco in play the Clinton supporters are going to be outraged at losing the nomination with the sincere belief that it was STOLEN from them.  This will be the downfall of the Democrats in Novemeber.</p>
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		<title>By: Whocares</title>
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		<dc:creator>Whocares</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 13:20:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The facts are simple in this case. The facts as I see it with a slight spin on them in favor of Hillary Clinton.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;1. Barak Obama has won a huge majority of his delegates from states that he will not win in November.  Idaho.  Wyoming.  Georgia. Alabama.  etc.  etc.  Yes I know he will win 99 percent of the black vote.  The democrat always does but the Republicans still win these states handily.&lt;br&gt;2. The latest numbers I have seen is that an estimated 10 to 12 percent of the voters in the democratic primary are republican crossovers.  Most trying to insure that Hillary is not the nominee.  Some however are in fact voting for Obama Genuinely.  &lt;br&gt;3.  If you remove 10 percent of Obama&#039;s delegates and 10 percent of his popular vote you now have a dead heat that favors Hillary Clinton.&lt;br&gt;4. Hillary Clinton seems to be the choice of registered democrats.  Poll after Poll reveals this.&lt;br&gt;5. The fact she cannot win the general election is a talking point that Barak Obama supporters have started to minimize Hillary Clinton and put forth an alternative in Barak Obama.&lt;br&gt;6. Hillary and her supporters are going to claim that the nomination was stolen from them from now till eternity if the Florida and Michigan fiasco is not resolved.  Much as Al Gore and his supporters believe that Florida was stolen from them and nothing will ever change this fact, so too will Hillary Clinton and her supporters go to their graves believing that the election was stolen from them.&lt;br&gt;7. The fact that the Hillary Clinton supporters are going to believe this is what is going to poison the political atmosphere for Barak Obama if he wins the nomination.  In 2000 This happened to the Democrats and they have reviled and hated GWB ever since.  They have actively embarked upon a hate mission to bring GWB down and they have for the most part succeeded.  I believe that by stealing(perception is everything)this election from Hillary that her minions will embark upon the same type of hate mongering that the left/antirepublicans embarked upon in 2000 and with a huge sense of outrage at the swiftboating loss in 2004.  Essentially doing to the Democratic party what they did to the Republican party.  Put them into total disarray and confusion as to where they were going and who was going to lead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The facts are simple in this case. The facts as I see it with a slight spin on them in favor of Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p>1. Barak Obama has won a huge majority of his delegates from states that he will not win in November.  Idaho.  Wyoming.  Georgia. Alabama.  etc.  etc.  Yes I know he will win 99 percent of the black vote.  The democrat always does but the Republicans still win these states handily.<br />2. The latest numbers I have seen is that an estimated 10 to 12 percent of the voters in the democratic primary are republican crossovers.  Most trying to insure that Hillary is not the nominee.  Some however are in fact voting for Obama Genuinely.  <br />3.  If you remove 10 percent of Obama&#39;s delegates and 10 percent of his popular vote you now have a dead heat that favors Hillary Clinton.<br />4. Hillary Clinton seems to be the choice of registered democrats.  Poll after Poll reveals this.<br />5. The fact she cannot win the general election is a talking point that Barak Obama supporters have started to minimize Hillary Clinton and put forth an alternative in Barak Obama.<br />6. Hillary and her supporters are going to claim that the nomination was stolen from them from now till eternity if the Florida and Michigan fiasco is not resolved.  Much as Al Gore and his supporters believe that Florida was stolen from them and nothing will ever change this fact, so too will Hillary Clinton and her supporters go to their graves believing that the election was stolen from them.<br />7. The fact that the Hillary Clinton supporters are going to believe this is what is going to poison the political atmosphere for Barak Obama if he wins the nomination.  In 2000 This happened to the Democrats and they have reviled and hated GWB ever since.  They have actively embarked upon a hate mission to bring GWB down and they have for the most part succeeded.  I believe that by stealing(perception is everything)this election from Hillary that her minions will embark upon the same type of hate mongering that the left/antirepublicans embarked upon in 2000 and with a huge sense of outrage at the swiftboating loss in 2004.  Essentially doing to the Democratic party what they did to the Republican party.  Put them into total disarray and confusion as to where they were going and who was going to lead.</p>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 08:06:21 +0000</pubDate>
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