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	<title>Comments on: Bailing Out Wall Street Perps: Get Ready To Open Your Wallets, Mr. &amp; Mrs. Taxpayer</title>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 05:23:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just had to share this, it&#039;s from Marketwatch:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;J.P. Morgan paid less for Bear Stearns than the LA Galaxy paid for David Beckham,&quot; said Andrew Clarke, sales trader at SG Securities in Hong Kong.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just had to share this, it&#39;s from Marketwatch:</p>
<p>&#8220;J.P. Morgan paid less for Bear Stearns than the LA Galaxy paid for David Beckham,&#8221; said Andrew Clarke, sales trader at SG Securities in Hong Kong.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikkel, I don&#039;t know where you come up with the &quot;$17 trillion in derivatives liabilities&quot; figure.  Do you mean the notional amount?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikkel, I don&#39;t know where you come up with the &#8220;$17 trillion in derivatives liabilities&#8221; figure.  Do you mean the notional amount?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bear has highly leveraged- 30x.  It may have some good assets, i.e. it&#039;s headquarters (that Jamie Dillon likes) and it&#039;s prime brokerage operations, but it&#039;s impossible to value the securities on its books- since those markets are now illiquid- no one wants to touch the toxic crap.  It&#039;s impossible to tell how much JPMorgan (or the Fed) will eventually owe to Bear&#039;s trading counterparties.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s interesting to note that JPMorgan will be overseeing the day to day operations before the merger is complete (or even approved).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It will be interesting to see if the Fed&#039;s action (guaranteeing Bear&#039;s obligations) is permissable.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=393118&quot;&gt;http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=393118&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bear has highly leveraged- 30x.  It may have some good assets, i.e. it&#39;s headquarters (that Jamie Dillon likes) and it&#39;s prime brokerage operations, but it&#39;s impossible to value the securities on its books- since those markets are now illiquid- no one wants to touch the toxic crap.  It&#39;s impossible to tell how much JPMorgan (or the Fed) will eventually owe to Bear&#39;s trading counterparties.  </p>
<p>It&#39;s interesting to note that JPMorgan will be overseeing the day to day operations before the merger is complete (or even approved).</p>
<p>It will be interesting to see if the Fed&#39;s action (guaranteeing Bear&#39;s obligations) is permissable.</p>
<p><a href="http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=393118">http://money.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=393118</a></p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 04:08:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slamfu- I LOVED the subprime primer and it&#039;s right on!  But it doesn&#039;t even deal with the derivatives piece, which just adds another layer of complications.  :)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slamfu- I LOVED the subprime primer and it&#39;s right on!  But it doesn&#39;t even deal with the derivatives piece, which just adds another layer of complications.  <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:55:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OH, and this is brilliant &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq7n_0cdjsr4fn&amp;skipauth=true&amp;pli=1&quot;&gt;http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OH, and this is brilliant </p>
<p><a href="http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq7n_0cdjsr4fn&#038;skipauth=true&#038;pli=1">http://docs.google.com/TeamPresent?docid=ddp4zq&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe Exxon should buy them out instead, they&#039;ve got some extra liquidity these days.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe Exxon should buy them out instead, they&#39;ve got some extra liquidity these days.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:38:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;arguably the biggest economic crisis since the Crash of 1929&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Very arguably.  Every time there is a downturn or even the whiff of one (which is naturally hyped to ridiculous proportions) when a Republican in office it&#039;s the next Great Depression, etc.  [yawn]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The main thing is that there should be no bailouts.  Sadly, too many people (not just the vast numbers who willingly took on larger debts than they ever could hope to manage, during the real estate bubble) want &quot;something done&quot; (so they enjoy a risk and responsibility free life) while even people in the federal government and economists, who should know better (not blatantly political Dem Party hacks like Krugman, but serious economists) not only believe Washington will consider a number of financial institutions too large and important to fail, but that this is how things _should_ be -- even in the case of institutions that have engaged in poor or even crooked practices.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;arguably the biggest economic crisis since the Crash of 1929&#8243;</p>
<p>Very arguably.  Every time there is a downturn or even the whiff of one (which is naturally hyped to ridiculous proportions) when a Republican in office it&#39;s the next Great Depression, etc.  [yawn]</p>
<p>The main thing is that there should be no bailouts.  Sadly, too many people (not just the vast numbers who willingly took on larger debts than they ever could hope to manage, during the real estate bubble) want &#8220;something done&#8221; (so they enjoy a risk and responsibility free life) while even people in the federal government and economists, who should know better (not blatantly political Dem Party hacks like Krugman, but serious economists) not only believe Washington will consider a number of financial institutions too large and important to fail, but that this is how things _should_ be &#8212; even in the case of institutions that have engaged in poor or even crooked practices.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 19:07:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So far as I know, none of the Fed&#039;s funding comes from taxes.</description>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:11:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Riddle me this: When Wall Street fat cats are making billions its the free market at its most glorious and capitalism at its headiest. When they get so greedy that they run their institutions into the ground, they beg for bailouts and it&#039;s the helping hand of government at its most glorious and socialism at its best.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, Shaun,  we have no problem with corporate welfare in a capitalist state. If the bailout were going to New Orleans residents who lost everything-then there&#039;d be a big problem!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Riddle me this: When Wall Street fat cats are making billions its the free market at its most glorious and capitalism at its headiest. When they get so greedy that they run their institutions into the ground, they beg for bailouts and it&#39;s the helping hand of government at its most glorious and socialism at its best.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, Shaun,  we have no problem with corporate welfare in a capitalist state. If the bailout were going to New Orleans residents who lost everything-then there&#39;d be a big problem!</p>
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		<title>By: mortgage backed securities</title>
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		<dc:creator>mortgage backed securities</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 17:02:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you think home prices will fall? ...SCOREBOARD: Bernanke&amp;39s passion Business Spectatormoney.cnn.comBailing Out Wall Street Perps: Get Ready To Open Your Wallets, Mr. &amp;amp Mrs. Taxpayer Sentient Americans long ago became accustomed to the gap between George Bush??s words and reality. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] you think home prices will fall? &#8230;SCOREBOARD: Bernanke&#38;39s passion Business Spectatormoney.cnn.comBailing Out Wall Street Perps: Get Ready To Open Your Wallets, Mr. &#38;amp Mrs. Taxpayer Sentient Americans long ago became accustomed to the gap between George Bush??s words and reality. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cfpete - I believe the Bear Sterns buyout/liquidation is being backed upped by a federal guarentee for JPM. If BS goes any worse, the taxpayers assume the problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cfpete &#8211; I believe the Bear Sterns buyout/liquidation is being backed upped by a federal guarentee for JPM. If BS goes any worse, the taxpayers assume the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: cfpete</title>
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		<dc:creator>cfpete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:20:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>“Because Bear Stearns has played in the regulation-lite sandbox, its customers do not have the depositor protection that traditional commercial banks have enjoyed since FDR halted the bank runs of the Great Depression through government guarantees.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Heard of SIPIC lately, I guess not.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, SIPIC is completely irrelevant because JP Morgan would assume responsibility for any cash and securities held in brokerage accounts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Bear had failed, then SIPIC would have forced bankruptcy and liquidated any assets to compensate customers - unless of course investment fraud was proven.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>“Because Bear Stearns has played in the regulation-lite sandbox, its customers do not have the depositor protection that traditional commercial banks have enjoyed since FDR halted the bank runs of the Great Depression through government guarantees.”</p>
<p>Heard of SIPIC lately, I guess not.</p>
<p>However, SIPIC is completely irrelevant because JP Morgan would assume responsibility for any cash and securities held in brokerage accounts.</p>
<p>If Bear had failed, then SIPIC would have forced bankruptcy and liquidated any assets to compensate customers &#8211; unless of course investment fraud was proven.</p>
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		<title>By: securities lending</title>
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		<dc:creator>securities lending</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 16:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: AustinRoth</title>
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		<dc:creator>AustinRoth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:36:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Either you believe in and support true capitalism, or you don&#039;t. If you do, then &#039;balouts&#039; like this have no place, even for larger companies. Live by the sword, die by the sword.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;However, I am not a &#039;true&#039; capitalist. I do believe that some government regulation and oversight is required, but balouts like this. Anti-competitive monopoly laws and things like the Glass-Steagall laws that raised walls against banking self-interest are a good thing. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Here is a good overview of the repeal of an important piece of legislation (in 1999), that has led directly to the current banking problems - &lt;a href=&quot;http://edcone.typepad.com/wordup/2008/03/rethinking-re-1.html&quot;&gt;Re-thinking Glass-Steagall&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Key point from it: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Kuttner:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    The enormous loopholes in financial regulation—the hedge fund loophole, the private equity loophole, are justified on the premise that consenting adults of substantial means do not need the help of the nanny state, thank you very much. But of course investor protection is only one purpose of regulation. The other purpose is to protect the system from moral hazard and catastrophic risk of financial collapse. It is this latter function that has been seriously compromised...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;    ...[I]f you are going to rescue markets from their excesses, on the very reasonable ground that a crash threatens the entire system, then you have an obligation to act pre-emptively, prophylactically, to head off highly risky speculative behavior. Otherwise, the Fed just invites moral hazards and more rounds of wildly irresponsible actions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Either you believe in and support true capitalism, or you don&#39;t. If you do, then &#39;balouts&#39; like this have no place, even for larger companies. Live by the sword, die by the sword.</p>
<p>However, I am not a &#39;true&#39; capitalist. I do believe that some government regulation and oversight is required, but balouts like this. Anti-competitive monopoly laws and things like the Glass-Steagall laws that raised walls against banking self-interest are a good thing. </p>
<p>Here is a good overview of the repeal of an important piece of legislation (in 1999), that has led directly to the current banking problems &#8211; <a href="http://edcone.typepad.com/wordup/2008/03/rethinking-re-1.html">Re-thinking Glass-Steagall</a>.</p>
<p>Key point from it: </p>
<p>Kuttner:</p>
<p>    The enormous loopholes in financial regulation—the hedge fund loophole, the private equity loophole, are justified on the premise that consenting adults of substantial means do not need the help of the nanny state, thank you very much. But of course investor protection is only one purpose of regulation. The other purpose is to protect the system from moral hazard and catastrophic risk of financial collapse. It is this latter function that has been seriously compromised&#8230;</p>
<p>    &#8230;[I]f you are going to rescue markets from their excesses, on the very reasonable ground that a crash threatens the entire system, then you have an obligation to act pre-emptively, prophylactically, to head off highly risky speculative behavior. Otherwise, the Fed just invites moral hazards and more rounds of wildly irresponsible actions.</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d love to have someone knowledgeable explain how much of the Fed&#039;s funding come from taxes. &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Board#Central_bank&quot;&gt;The Wikipedia &lt;/a&gt;isn&#039;t quite getting me there. Though I&#039;m inclined to say Shaun is much more right than wrong. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since he&#039;s commented her on that subject, maybe Dave Schuler can clarify. He has a pretty good post at &lt;a href=&quot;http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3560&quot;&gt;his own blog&lt;/a&gt; about what the bailout potentially means. Executive summary: It won&#039;t be pretty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;d love to have someone knowledgeable explain how much of the Fed&#39;s funding come from taxes. <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Reserve_Board#Central_bank">The Wikipedia </a>isn&#39;t quite getting me there. Though I&#39;m inclined to say Shaun is much more right than wrong. </p>
<p>Since he&#39;s commented her on that subject, maybe Dave Schuler can clarify. He has a pretty good post at <a href="http://theglitteringeye.com/?p=3560">his own blog</a> about what the bailout potentially means. Executive summary: It won&#39;t be pretty.</p>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave: debasement of currency potentially.</description>
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		<title>By: mikkel</title>
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		<dc:creator>mikkel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim they don&#039;t owe much debt, they have $17 trillion in derivative liabilities. (Of course JPM was the counterparty to a lot of that, so they bought them so they wouldn&#039;t take huge losses.) Anyway, if things go bad, then the liabilities that JPM just bought will bring them down too potentially.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim they don&#39;t owe much debt, they have $17 trillion in derivative liabilities. (Of course JPM was the counterparty to a lot of that, so they bought them so they wouldn&#39;t take huge losses.) Anyway, if things go bad, then the liabilities that JPM just bought will bring them down too potentially.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave_Schuler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dave_Schuler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 15:01:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;There is no question in my mind no matter the Fed&#039;s status that the taxpayer will be taking an enormous hit.&lt;br&gt;reply&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;How?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the U. S. government bails out some banks using funds out of general revenues, that would constitute &#147;the taxpayers taking a hit&#148;.  Otherwise, no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>There is no question in my mind no matter the Fed&#39;s status that the taxpayer will be taking an enormous hit.<br />reply</p></blockquote>
<p>How?</p>
<p>If the U. S. government bails out some banks using funds out of general revenues, that would constitute &#8220;the taxpayers taking a hit&#8221;.  Otherwise, no.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:57:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dave:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Odd&quot; is a big part of the problem.  There is no question in my mind no matter the Fed&#039;s status that the taxpayer will be taking an enormous hit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dave:</p>
<p>&#8220;Odd&#8221; is a big part of the problem.  There is no question in my mind no matter the Fed&#39;s status that the taxpayer will be taking an enormous hit.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 14:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mikkel, the numbers you use ignore the assumption of any debt owed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mikkel, the numbers you use ignore the assumption of any debt owed.</p>
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