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Poll: McCain Beats Obama Clinton With Nader Impact

A new Zogby poll shows that GOP nominee-to-be Senator John McCain would beat both Democratic Senator Hillary Clinton and Senator Barack Obama in a general election — and that third party candidate Ralph Nader would definitely have an impact.

In fact, Pollster Zogby writes, there are signs that Nader may win enough support in the polls to get into the Presidential debates.

McCain would beat Clinton 45% to 39% with Nader getting 6% of the vote. McCain would beat Obama 44% to 39% with Nader getting 5% of the vote.

The introduction of long-time activist Ralph Nader into the mix is having an effect on the race, as he wins enough support to make a difference, the poll shows. Nader entered the race recently, charging that there is little difference between the Republican and Democratic parties and their presidential candidates. Using the same argument eight years ago, his presence on the ballot in Florida may well have tipped the presidential election away from Democrat Al Gore and in favor of George W. Bush. His run four years ago yielded less dramatic results, but the political atmosphere has changed since 2004, and may be more favorable for him again, the Zogby survey shows.

At first glance, the reaction might be that it’s too early for an analysis since McCain himself has not faced a Democratic onslaught. But the increasing acrimony of the Obama-Clinton race, and the likelihood that in the battle over the delegate count there will be more controversies (like this) and that the Superdelegates may intervene, the prospect for the Democrats seems more grim each day.

The prospect is for a significant chunk of the Obama or Clinton side deciding to sit on its hands on election day — or cast a protest vote. Which is where Nader comes in:

As is the case in the McCain-Clinton-Nader contest, Obama wins among voters under age 30, while McCain leads among all voters age 30 and older. Nader wins 15% support among those under age 30, but has little support among older voters.

Pollster Zogby writes:

Nader’s presence in the race can potentially turn a lulu of a race into an absolute tizzy. The messages to Democrats are clear – number one, Nader may win enough support to get into the general election debates. Number two, what could be at risk is support among several key constituencies that the Democratic Party candidate will need to win in November, notably younger voters, independents, and progressives.

  • DougL
    Instant Runoff Voting [IRV] would put an end to the distortion that happens when an otherwise non-viable candidate siphons off enough support from one candidate to change the outcome. IRV would not only allow voters to more completely express their preference in candidates, it would also make candidates of political parties outside of the current major-two parties more viable.

    Unfortunately, specifically because it would work against the current major two parties' lock on the political process, it'd be a hard struggle to get put in place, but it is starting to get rolling in that there are local elections that are starting to use this voting system.
  • What I find in all this is that the name of Bill Clinton was hollowed ground when comparing Bush to Clinton. When Bush did something bad and the Bush supporters responded by saying yes but Clinton the left became furious and defending Bill Clinton as the greatest thing since sliced bread.

    Now that Bill and Hillary Clinton are standing in the way of the Far left whom have abandoned Bill and Hillary in favor of someone even a bit farther left suddenly these two are trash, scum and should resign from public office and go back to Arkansas.

    It is this single solitary message the nation is seeing that gives them serious doubts about either candidate and seems in my mind to give them pause about just how much the war has been more of a political tool to defeat republicans then it has been an actual point of contention.

    What is the democratic message? Once again it is scattered, vague and unclear to the average man. This is why McCain NOW is leading these two. They have been unable to put forth their message because they are afraid they will tarnish their own chances by saying something mean about the other who is a mirror image of themselves.

    America sees politics at its worst right now and the ones leading the charge? Democrats.
  • DLS
    Doug[ ]L.: Approval voting is superior to instant runoff voting. Nyah, nyah.

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    Yes, Who Cares, the far left is the group frothing at the mouth (usual) but at Clinton as well as at Bush. Don't get in the way of our Messiah, God damn it!
  • wes0922
    The numbers on Obama will fall once all the facts come out about his close relationship with Tony Rezko that is on trial for bribery and coruption in Chicago .He has lost all of the jewish support with his stance on Isarel and of course his 20 years of Mr.Wright teaching hate white america.
    The far left media has tried to bury the facts but as they come out he will be done.
    He along with the Governor of Il;linois may both be in prison before November if Rezko cuts a deal. In addition to the fact he is not qualified to be Senator.
    WAKE UP
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