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		<title>By: schraubd</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18413/black-conservatism-in-large-and-small-caps/comment-page-1/#comment-138829</link>
		<dc:creator>schraubd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Mar 2008 01:40:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nationalism is, of course, a (paleo-)conservative ideology (as is racism, for that matter), so it really shouldn&#039;t surprise us that Black Nationalism would fall under the broader philosophical category of Black Conservatism (of course, not all Black Conservatives are, I think, Black Nationalists -- Derrick Bell on the left and Booker T. Washington on the right would be examples of the former who are not part of the latter). Many of us would take as a &lt;i&gt;hint&lt;/i&gt; that these elements of paleo-conservatism are popping up in Black Political Thought as to where those theorists lie. Nor is Black Conservatism a philosophical school something I just made up, anymore than I could make up philosophical Liberalism (Mill, Rawles, Nozick) or Communitarianism (Sandel). It&#039;s very well-established to those of us who are &lt;i&gt;educated&lt;/i&gt; on the topic in question.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Finally, I don&#039;t have any intrinsic objection to Black Conservatism &lt;i&gt;per se&lt;/i&gt;, though I&#039;m not myself one (I explain why in the extended post) and there are plenty of Black Conservatives who I do object to quite strongly. But on its own, Black Conservatism is not something I &quot;do not like&quot;, and in some ways I find it an admirable counterweight to Black Integrationism/Idealism/Liberalism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nationalism is, of course, a (paleo-)conservative ideology (as is racism, for that matter), so it really shouldn&#39;t surprise us that Black Nationalism would fall under the broader philosophical category of Black Conservatism (of course, not all Black Conservatives are, I think, Black Nationalists &#8212; Derrick Bell on the left and Booker T. Washington on the right would be examples of the former who are not part of the latter). Many of us would take as a <i>hint</i> that these elements of paleo-conservatism are popping up in Black Political Thought as to where those theorists lie. Nor is Black Conservatism a philosophical school something I just made up, anymore than I could make up philosophical Liberalism (Mill, Rawles, Nozick) or Communitarianism (Sandel). It&#39;s very well-established to those of us who are <i>educated</i> on the topic in question.</p>
<p>Finally, I don&#39;t have any intrinsic objection to Black Conservatism <i>per se</i>, though I&#39;m not myself one (I explain why in the extended post) and there are plenty of Black Conservatives who I do object to quite strongly. But on its own, Black Conservatism is not something I &#8220;do not like&#8221;, and in some ways I find it an admirable counterweight to Black Integrationism/Idealism/Liberalism.</p>
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		<title>By: superdestroyer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18413/black-conservatism-in-large-and-small-caps/comment-page-1/#comment-138828</link>
		<dc:creator>superdestroyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 00:02:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I find it odd that the wirter at TMV who supports racial quotas, race based reparations, raced based social engineerings, and separate and unequal treatment based upon race is using the phrase &quot;black conservatives&quot; when he really means black nationalist or black racists.   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is like the post modern progressives and look through history and whatever they do not like, they assign to either Republicans or conservatives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it odd that the wirter at TMV who supports racial quotas, race based reparations, raced based social engineerings, and separate and unequal treatment based upon race is using the phrase &#8220;black conservatives&#8221; when he really means black nationalist or black racists.   </p>
<p>It is like the post modern progressives and look through history and whatever they do not like, they assign to either Republicans or conservatives.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18413/black-conservatism-in-large-and-small-caps/comment-page-1/#comment-138827</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 19:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think I understand the distinction between a Black Conservative and a conservative who is black.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What troubles me about Thomas, though, is that he is a very angry conservative, no matter which brand of conservatism he embraces.  This level of emotion in a judge  at any level of the court system  raises questions about his ability to absorb and contemplate opposing arguments.and the consequences, in the real world, of a judicial decision.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Give me the pragmatism of O&quot;Connor any day of the week,  no matter to which party, ideology. or sub-group  a judge belongs..  It takes a big dose of  dispasionate thinking to arrive at decisions that serve the country, instead of furthering the private ideals of a judge.  Clarence Thomas appears to be fighting a very personal battle, and that troubles me a great deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think I understand the distinction between a Black Conservative and a conservative who is black.</p>
<p>What troubles me about Thomas, though, is that he is a very angry conservative, no matter which brand of conservatism he embraces.  This level of emotion in a judge  at any level of the court system  raises questions about his ability to absorb and contemplate opposing arguments.and the consequences, in the real world, of a judicial decision.</p>
<p>Give me the pragmatism of O&#8221;Connor any day of the week,  no matter to which party, ideology. or sub-group  a judge belongs..  It takes a big dose of  dispasionate thinking to arrive at decisions that serve the country, instead of furthering the private ideals of a judge.  Clarence Thomas appears to be fighting a very personal battle, and that troubles me a great deal.</p>
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		<title>By: schraubd</title>
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		<dc:creator>schraubd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 18:00:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I think CStanley is correct. Thomas certainly isn&#039;t shy about talking about how racism has been an obstacle in his life (as seminary student; calling his confirmation hearings &quot;a high-tech lynching&quot;) -- but unlike a Black Liberal, he thinks it a rather futile hope to fight it head on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I think CStanley is correct. Thomas certainly isn&#39;t shy about talking about how racism has been an obstacle in his life (as seminary student; calling his confirmation hearings &#8220;a high-tech lynching&#8221;) &#8212; but unlike a Black Liberal, he thinks it a rather futile hope to fight it head on.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 14:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>elrod: if I understand it correctly, that last part is Thomas&#039; belief- that remedies to racism are worse than racism itself (or perhaps more correct to say that the remedies that are imposed actually make the problem worse instead of better.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s different (quite a bit different, actually) than believing that racism is a mirage. I think that&#039;s the disconnect that a lot of conservatives never noticed- that Thomas wasn&#039;t &#039;on their side&#039; in believing that racism wasn&#039;t a big deal. Instead, he very much believes it&#039;s a big deal but feels that policies like affirmative action make it worse instead of better. Even though it&#039;s unfair, he feels (I think) that blacks just have to accept the inequity that forces them to work harder to achieve the same results, because any attempt to level the playing field just confirms the racist&#039;s belief that blacks can&#039;t compete without assistance.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>elrod: if I understand it correctly, that last part is Thomas&#39; belief- that remedies to racism are worse than racism itself (or perhaps more correct to say that the remedies that are imposed actually make the problem worse instead of better.)</p>
<p>That&#39;s different (quite a bit different, actually) than believing that racism is a mirage. I think that&#39;s the disconnect that a lot of conservatives never noticed- that Thomas wasn&#39;t &#39;on their side&#39; in believing that racism wasn&#39;t a big deal. Instead, he very much believes it&#39;s a big deal but feels that policies like affirmative action make it worse instead of better. Even though it&#39;s unfair, he feels (I think) that blacks just have to accept the inequity that forces them to work harder to achieve the same results, because any attempt to level the playing field just confirms the racist&#39;s belief that blacks can&#39;t compete without assistance.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 08:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I just thought that was assumed. He always spoke of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps, and that remedies to racism were worst than racism itself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just thought that was assumed. He always spoke of lifting himself up by his own bootstraps, and that remedies to racism were worst than racism itself.</p>
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		<title>By: schraubd</title>
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		<dc:creator>schraubd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 03:51:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Where did Thomas say anything like that?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Where did Thomas say anything like that?</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:35:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But how does Clarence Thomas fall under this definition of Black Conservatism. Thomas doesn&#039;t believe racism is hopelessly dominant in society. He believes racism is just a mirage, actually.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But how does Clarence Thomas fall under this definition of Black Conservatism. Thomas doesn&#39;t believe racism is hopelessly dominant in society. He believes racism is just a mirage, actually.</p>
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		<title>By: Black Conservatism in Large and Small Caps &#183; SmokeSignalz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Black Conservatism in Large and Small Caps &#183; SmokeSignalz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 02:25:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Matthew Yglesias wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptBlack Conservatism in Large and Small Caps March 15th, 2008 by DAVID SCHRAUB About a year ago, I penned a post entitled “Taking Thomas Seriously”, about the particularly political ideology held by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. In it, I noted that both liberals and conservatives misunderstood Thomas’ orientation because the tried to map him onto “standard” (White) political categories. Thomas is a conservative, yes, but specifically he is a Black Conservative, which is a very pa [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Matthew Yglesias wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptBlack Conservatism in Large and Small Caps March 15th, 2008 by DAVID SCHRAUB About a year ago, I penned a post entitled “Taking Thomas Seriously”, about the particularly political ideology held by U.S. Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas. In it, I noted that both liberals and conservatives misunderstood Thomas’ orientation because the tried to map him onto “standard” (White) political categories. Thomas is a conservative, yes, but specifically he is a Black Conservative, which is a very pa [...]</p>
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