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Obama’s Pastor: A Campaign Issue In The Making?

Democratic Senator Barack Obama ought to brace himself: ABC News has a report about his pastor that is sure to spark a campaign battle where some will demand he denounce him — and Republicans will get ready to use some of the inflammatory statements against Obama if he runs.

(Be sure to read TMV coblogger Polimom’s post on this story HERE.)

ABC News’ Brian Ross reports:

Sen. Barack Obama’s pastor says blacks should not sing “God Bless America” but “God damn America.”

The Rev. Jeremiah Wright, Obama’s pastor for the last 20 years at the Trinity United Church of Christ on Chicago’s south side, has a long history of what even Obama’s campaign aides concede is “inflammatory rhetoric,” including the assertion that the United States brought on the 9/11 attacks with its own “terrorism.”

In a campaign appearance earlier this month, Sen. Obama said, “I don’t think my church is actually particularly controversial.” He said Rev. Wright “is like an old uncle who says things I don’t always agree with,” telling a Jewish group that everyone has someone like that in their family.

But that may not be enough. If the ABC report gains “legs,” and is used politically against him, Obama may be forced to come out with a more formal and forceful distancing himself from his pastor. Because if you read the ABC report, it’s a general election hit piece in the making:

An ABC News review of dozens of Rev. Wright’s sermons, offered for sale by the church, found repeated denunciations of the U.S. based on what he described as his reading of the Gospels and the treatment of black Americans.

“The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law and then wants us to sing ‘God Bless America.’ No, no, no, God damn America, that’s in the Bible for killing innocent people,” he said in a 2003 sermon. “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”

In addition to damning America, he told his congregation on the Sunday after Sept. 11, 2001 that the United States had brought on al Qaeda’s attacks because of its own terrorism.

“We bombed Hiroshima, we bombed Nagasaki, and we nuked far more than the thousands in New York and the Pentagon, and we never batted an eye,” Rev. Wright said in a sermon on Sept. 16, 2001.

“We have supported state terrorism against the Palestinians and black South Africans, and now we are indignant because the stuff we have done overseas is now brought right back to our own front yards. America’s chickens are coming home to roost,” he told his congregation.

In reality, we aren’t all responsible for what our pastors, rabbis, priests, dentists, plastic surgeons or proctologists say, so we would not feel compelled to move away from them (well, PERHAPS from a proctologist). But in terms of how The Political Game is played, these comments are bound to be used against Obama. If he gets the nomination you can just hear John McCain rattling them off, asking him how he could belong to a church headed by someone like this.

Newsbusters asks:

Let’s imagine that upon vetting, McCain’s pastor is found to have made statements that were the mirror-image of those that Rev. Wright has made. How long would McCain remain a viable candidate?

  • Slamfu
    You mean his Imam right?

    - This comment endorsed by Hillary Clinton
  • PaulSilver
    This is a valid concern about Obama's judgment and associations. But I am not sure if the other candidates can claim to be traveling a much higher road - or that this is enough of a differential between candidates.

    In the end we may be making a tally of questionable statements and associations and favoring the candidate with the lowest score. Such is the reality of human nature.
  • Aside from the fact that this Jeremiah Wright situation has already been dug up before, I want to comment on the Newsbusters quote:

    "Let’s imagine that upon vetting, McCain’s pastor is found to have made statements that were the mirror-image of those that Rev. Wright has made. How long would McCain remain a viable candidate?"

    McCain has already accepted the endorsement of a praised Pastor John Hagee. You know, the guy who said Catholicism was "The Great Whore" along with other hits like when he claimed God caused Hurricane Katrina because of a gay pride parade.

    So, why is McCain still a viable candidate?
  • zftcg
    Um, I don't know if Newsbusters has been paying attention, but McCain was recently endorsed by a minister with some real whack-job views on Catholicism and Islam. Seems like he's still viable to me.

    (Yes, I know he's not actually McCain's pastor, but he does seem to welcome his support, even as he gingerly tries to disassociate himself from some of his more objectionable comments.)
  • "All I can tell you is that I am very proud to have Pastor John Hagee's support" - John McCain

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/27/m...
  • Holly_in_Cincinnati
    Pastor Hagee Goes to Shul, Says Jesus Was a ‘Reform Rabbi’
    http://www.forward.com/blogs/bintel-blog/12906/

    The Forward: Hagee Has His Say
    http://www.forward.com/blogs/bintel-blog/12886/
  • I hear what you're saying -- truly I do! -- when you bring up Hagee. But two things spring immediately to mind there:

    1. Obama is not McCain. Because McCain is willing to accept such ugliness hardly makes it a Gold Standard.

    2. Hagee is not Wright -- or rather, the relationships to the candidates are radically different. Furthermore, as I commented on my post on this same subject: Wright is attached to Obama's campaign. All in all, quite a different set of circumstances.
  • Slamfu
    Well I think its pretty clear by now that Obama's ideas about foreign policy do not run along the same lines as his pastor. Unless we think his pastor is going to be picking up the red phone at 3am I'm not too concerned about it.
  • "1. Obama is not McCain. Because McCain is willing to accept such ugliness hardly makes it a Gold Standard."

    So, McCain gets a pass because he's a bad guy?

    "2. Hagee is not Wright -- or rather, the relationships to the candidates are radically different. Furthermore, as I commented on my post on this same subject: Wright is attached to Obama's campaign. All in all, quite a different set of circumstances."

    McCain has formally accepted Hagees support, and has, without being asked first, brought up his admiration of Hagee. And that was after Glenn Greenwald created a minor ****-storm by writing a post on the McCain/Hagee relationship. I'd certainly define that as "attached," even if Hagee doesn't have a formal position in his campaign.
  • ChrisWWW, what is gained by shifting the discussion to Hagee / McCain? How does that address the problems Obama faces as a result of Wright?
  • Because it illustrates the absurd double standard. Obama can say he disagrees with Wright, and still be hounded by his association with him. Hell, he has absolutely nothing to do with Farrakhan and yet Obama was blasted because Farrakhan endorsed him.

    On the other side, you've got McCain courting and embracing a crazy dude like John Hagee and it barely registers as a blip compared to the frenzy created by the Farrakhan issue. What gives?
  • DaMav
    Hit piece? The fact that the leading contender for President of the United States has for 20 years chosen (chosen, get it?) to associate himself with a pastor who spews profanity and hatred for our country is news that is long overdue. Obama has praised this minister, brings his children to church to hear this hate speech, and it's about time we heard about his choices in churchgoing. You don't go to the doctor to hear his views on the country. The comparison is nonsense.

    If you are going to attack this exposure of Obama's personal choices as a "hit piece" you should rename your blog the "Obama Cult Report", because it will indeed be moderates who recoil from this vile, racially divisive, profanity laced "preacher".
  • I think that is totally foul for his pastor to say that, but I'm sick of these politicians being made to apologize and denounce or whatever for someone else. Aren't we all sick of the apologies. Damn, we all have a friend or someone that, if we knew everything they did or said, we'd be like WTF, but that wouldn't make us a bad person.
  • casualobserver
    The continual problem of the dialogue here and other "aligned" blogs, with a couple of exceptions, is that (most) everyone wants to serve as Obama's defense counsel and not his campaign advisor and certainly not a dispassionate independent analyst.

    That's certainly their perogative, but it never provides a really good analytical discussion.

    For Obama supprters to basically say, no matter what, "I'm with the guy" makes absolutely no difference to his prospects (or to the discussion for that matter). He already has your vote. But, if he doesn't increase his vote amongst people who haven't signed on, he isn't going to win anything.
  • casualobserver,
    Who has said: "no matter what, I'm with the guy" ?
  • Holly_in_Cincinnati
    It's as simple as McCain is the Republican nominee while Obama seeks to be the Democratic nominee.
  • And here I thought they were both trying to become the President of the United States.
  • pacatrue
    This will bring up a point that many people don't attend church because they always agree with the pastor. In fact, most people I know who regularly attend mass like to come home and rail about the stupid thing the priest said. The mega churches are so popular in part because of the actual ideological content and in part because they function as major community centers -- centers based in suburbs where few people grew up and they know few people because they just moved their for the job or the good school.

    I don't know. My guess is that Obama will have to "denounce" the views further and that will be about the end of it unless people demand that he stop going to church there, at which point it will be a bigger deal. Hey, at least the controversy gets the word out for Obama again that he's not Muslim.
  • pacatrue
    moved there*, sorry.
  • pacatrue,
    But once he denounces the statements of Wright, again, that'll show that he really is a Muslim. No God-fearing Christian would ever repeatedly throw their church leaders under a bus...
  • Pete Abel
    I think "awinters" has it right ...

    "we all have a friend or someone that, if we knew everything they did or said, we'd be like WTF, but that wouldn't make us a bad person."

    And let's not forget the special credence GWB, et. al., gave Jerry Falwell, who said things very damn similar to what Wright said re: 9/11.

    I think Obama deserves this scrutiny, just like any President or Presidential candidate does. But I'm also convinced, in the end, it's much ado about nothing -- again for the reason "awinters" articulates.
  • Lost in all this is not the fact that Barak Obama's pastor said this or that. What is relevant is the type of Church that it proports to be. A church which Obama has ENDORSED for a long time by his continual presence and working with both the congregation and the Pastor for many, many years.

    Now someones saying well if Obama just renounces it, it will be all better and we can go on.

    No. We cant.

    The fact that this church teaches what it does and Barak Obama continued to work and worship there is very distressing and cannot be waved away with a simple renunciation. I am actually amazed it has taken this long for his church to make it into the spotlight.

    Can you imagine the uproar is John McCain or Hillary Clinton belonged to a church that preached WHITE VALUES.
  • domajot
    Never fear, the next sex scandal will knock Rev. Wright off the front pages

    Obama has been lucky in twro ways. First, it took a long time for this story to rise to the surface, even though it's been bubbling on the back burners of the blogosphere for quite some time. Obama has been able to attend to the success of his campaign largely, though not totally, unfettered by these types of back stories, while the 'old guard' has been kept busy with the need to answer for every association during their long political lives. (Having a shorter public history is a double-edged sword, I know. I'm referring to only one side of the blade here.)

    Obama's other piece of luck lies in the timing. The primaries aren't over and the genreal election has not begun. He will have time to polish his response, as I'm sure this will come up again.

    The importance of the response to an accusation in determining public perceptions can not be overstated, IMO. I hope, then, that Obama pays close attention to how he responds. Just shrugging it off won't work, IMHO.
  • domajot
    Whocares,

    The last time Obama's church was filmed by the news media, they were all singing the 'black and whiTe together' verse to We Shall Overcome.
    The sermon of the day was a carbon copy of sermons preached all over the coutnry in hundreds of churches., full of love of country and love og God.. (I found teh sermon rather boring for that very reason.)

    Romney ended the debates about his Mormonism with a 'I love Jesus, and I love America' posture. I found that posture both sappy and pragmatic. in that it got the country away from the distraction of Romney's church and back to considering Romney, the candidate.

    It would serve us well to resort to the same kind of exercise, when it comes to Obama, McCain, or whoever.
  • DLS
    The absurd double standard is that some (who support the nonsense that the USA or Israel are "terroristic") continue to bash the Religious Right while giving Obama and his tainted church a free pass.

    ...

    "What is relevant is the type of Church that it proports to be."

    A major part of why my rad-lib friend, who is highly critical of the USA and of its foreign policy, and who has been involved in and supportive of the black community around DC metro in addition to the GBLT and animal-rights communities there, switched from Obama to Clinton is because of some of what was stated in this church. That is, she will draw the line somewhere (just as she laughed at the people we saw at the biggest anti-war rally in DC some years ago, those shouting "Solidarity with courageous North Korea! Resistance to US Imperialism!"), unlike so many others on the far left, including here -- while moving the threshold for attack and abuse against others to a ridiculously loosely place.

    The issue is Obama's church and someone important in his past who is hardly as romantic a figure as Malcolm X. Obama has some explaining and backpedaling and more to do. (Some of you owe the rest of us remediation but I'm not counting on it.)
  • DLS
    The phone rings at 3 AM.

    The light comes on. In the corner we see a scimitar and AK-47 against the wall.

    "Good. We asked for it!" [click; sigh; snore]

    ("- This comment endorsed by Hillary Clinton")
  • JSpencer
    What's going to become important isn't the thoughtful opinion (well, mostly) we're inclined to see here at TMV, but how this plays with the general public - many who will view it in the absence of context, with little interest in even discovering the context. I see a WSJ poll already shows 13% of people think Obama is muslim, so that gives you a good idea of what I'm talking about. Negative campaigning is going to exploit this later on in an ugly way. We've already seen what can happen to a candidate when lies gain the upper hand. But you know what they say, we get the govt. we deserve. Well, I guess some folks do...
  • elrod
    Obama needs to Sistah Souljah his pastor. Sorry, but if this is about optics, he needs to do it.

    The sad thing is that Wright is a lot like my father-in-law or like other embarrassing family members, friends, mentors, etc. We all have people like that around, who we trust and respect so deeply, but who hold some deeply disturbing political and social views. My father-in-law is that way. He's an incredibly generous, loving, thoughtful man. But he's also a complete racist and he vaguely admires Nazi Germany (he's a Sudeten German himself), though not, he quips, for its attacks against Jews.

    I see Wright in this same way. The totality of Jeremiah Wright is clearly much greater than these sermons. That's why this is a hit piece. It's designed to make it seem as if Obama went to this church BECAUSE of these sermons. Yet, nothing in Obama's public or private correspondence suggests he even remotely agrees with them.

    So he must kick Wright to the curb - forcefully and publicly.
  • CitizenKang
    As an Obama supporter I'm afraid I have to agree with Elrod. Obama has to cut the pastor loose, and in no uncertain terms.

    On the plus side for supporters, this is happening early enough that if Obama can deal with it gracefully it will be old news by the time of the GE.

    Plus, perhaps now at least the fact that Obama's a Christian will get some play, even on Fox ;-)
  • StockBoySF
    Well, part of the rhetoric is certainly inflammatory and I don't agree with at all.

    But there is a part where Wright says, “God damn America for treating our citizens as less than human. God damn America for as long as she acts like she is God and she is supreme.”

    While this is certainly inflammatory and over the top, I can also see why Wright might say these things- it is true that there is great inequality and arrogance in America, and America devastated civilian populations (didn't aim at military bases) with nuclear bombs i Japan. While I wouldn't be as inflammatory as Wright, I do recognize that America has problems that need to be worked out. And then some of Wright's statements, i.e. us bringing on the 9/11 terrorists attacks on ourselves, which I totally disagree with.

    But despite the fact that America isn't perfect and I groan (and want to yell) at some of our current leaders..., I think America is the best place on Earth and if anyone messes with us, then I'll stand up for her.

    So yeah, I get mad at my fellow citizens, the injustices which go on, with the President who throws my constitutional rights out the window (and the compliant Democratic congress with the spine of an earthworm) but America is the only place I want to call home and despite her faults I still love her.

    So I don't agree with everything Wright says, I also understand a little bit of his frustration of America's faults, though he does take it too far. He isn't advocating that people rise up and attack America.

    As far as what Obama should do.... People who are already against Obama and convinced he's a muslim manchurian candidate will use this as intractable evidence. (I used the word "intractable" because isn't that the word the Bush administration used in describing the "evidence" they had while building a case for the Iraq invasion?) At the other end of the spectrum, his supporters will stand by him. So that leaves the middle. And given that McCain has the same problem with Hagee and others, then either the campaigns will call it a "tie" and not use it against the other, or the campaigns will try to outdo one another in tarring their opponent as the one with more "bad people" supporting them.

    But on the other hand, Wright is Obama's pastor but he is entitled to his views. Wright may be out there but he's not (as far as I can tell) advocating violence of any type nor is he spreading hate. I hope Obama continues his stance- that he doesn't agree with all of Wright's views. I don't think Obama should sell out just because his enemies (the ones that will use this the most against him) want him to. Even if Obama completely denounced Wright as he did Farrakhan, most of the people who are bothered by this will never change their minds about Obama anyway.
  • midnight1
    I am concerned that Obama has been an associate of this pastor for 20 years, and refers to him as Uncle. The comments from this person is nothing but racist toward whites. Every ethic group has the same issues - broken homes, dearth of education, abuse, and other problems. This is not just a black problem. To say that 3 strikes were created for blacks only, and prisons were enlarged for the blacks. Why doesn't the Reverend ask why or what? What can I do to assit my brother from a life of crime? Why don't you obtain an education, when the student loans and scholarships are available? Wake up - Reverend, and stop blaming the whites for your problems, and assist your fellow-man, instead of providing an avenue of escape for the imprisonment.

    I am confident that myself and other will not vote for Obama after these comments from the Reverend. If Obama has been listening to this venom for 20 years, then I am concered.
  • StockBoySF
    Midnight1, I don't think Wright's comments (at least those in this post) are racist towards whites and I don't think he's blaming whites for his community's problems.

    But I don't know everything he has said and am only basing my opinion on what's here. So I reserver the right to change my mind if new information becomes available.

    Certainly I think the black community has been treated poorly by America- including being enslaved. But the problems are complex. It will take a government committed to equality of all people, plus the hard work of citizens to overcome those problems.

    You can certainly love your country but be against some of its government's policies.

    I'd like to know more of what Wright said before I make further opinions. This "cut and paste" of his comments doesn't give me a true flavor of the man. Though I think it is clear that he is inflammatory. It's less clear if he is racist and if he is only railing against government policies or if he's railing against society as a whole.
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