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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18375/sorry-mickey-there-is-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-137897</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 00:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s support rides very heavily on race-based &quot;identity politics&quot; (to use this year&#039;s catch phrase).  He&#039;s not only young, but PC, and of course he has benefited from this and of course he is lucky.  The luck involves not only the PC politics of the left-side voters but also the propitious timing crucial to any kind of popularity contest like this.  People here in Iowa where I currently am don&#039;t have any qualms about his, Clinton&#039;s or Obama&#039;s competence or qualifications.  It&#039;s all about the tangible-superficial this year and yes, &quot;identity politics&quot; -- do we choose the black candidate this year or the female candidate (there is no black female candidate in the pair; Cynthia McKinney doesn&#039;t count, obviously).  Such politics and related exploitation was *** OBVIOUSLY *** behind the thought of trying to have Condolezza Rice run this year, though this was as a woman (against Clinton) rather than as a black, though exploitation of both race and sex by the GOP was suspected whenever this potentiality was raised.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We&#039;re even seeing the ugly side of special-interest &quot;identity politics&quot; at work this year because both candidates&#039; groups want their candidate to win and there&#039;s a lot of ill will between the two groups.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where Ferraro goes wrong is that she said Obama wouldn&#039;t be where he was if he was a woman.  What a laugh!  We who are awake have expected Hillary Clinton to run for President in 2004, not running in 2000 only because Gore was the obvious successor to her husband.  Jeane Kirkpatrick or someone like that would have been great in the 1980s.  And so on.  She&#039;s definitely &quot;old school.&quot;  And this after she was chosen (largely for PC reasons; nobody outside her little circle knew who she was at the time she was chosen) many, many years ago to be Vice President.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;[sigh]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#39;s support rides very heavily on race-based &#8220;identity politics&#8221; (to use this year&#39;s catch phrase).  He&#39;s not only young, but PC, and of course he has benefited from this and of course he is lucky.  The luck involves not only the PC politics of the left-side voters but also the propitious timing crucial to any kind of popularity contest like this.  People here in Iowa where I currently am don&#39;t have any qualms about his, Clinton&#39;s or Obama&#39;s competence or qualifications.  It&#39;s all about the tangible-superficial this year and yes, &#8220;identity politics&#8221; &#8212; do we choose the black candidate this year or the female candidate (there is no black female candidate in the pair; Cynthia McKinney doesn&#39;t count, obviously).  Such politics and related exploitation was *** OBVIOUSLY *** behind the thought of trying to have Condolezza Rice run this year, though this was as a woman (against Clinton) rather than as a black, though exploitation of both race and sex by the GOP was suspected whenever this potentiality was raised.</p>
<p>We&#39;re even seeing the ugly side of special-interest &#8220;identity politics&#8221; at work this year because both candidates&#39; groups want their candidate to win and there&#39;s a lot of ill will between the two groups.</p>
<p>Where Ferraro goes wrong is that she said Obama wouldn&#39;t be where he was if he was a woman.  What a laugh!  We who are awake have expected Hillary Clinton to run for President in 2004, not running in 2000 only because Gore was the obvious successor to her husband.  Jeane Kirkpatrick or someone like that would have been great in the 1980s.  And so on.  She&#39;s definitely &#8220;old school.&#8221;  And this after she was chosen (largely for PC reasons; nobody outside her little circle knew who she was at the time she was chosen) many, many years ago to be Vice President.</p>
<p>[sigh]</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18375/sorry-mickey-there-is-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-137896</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 23:57:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many women support Hillary BECAUSE she is a womn.  Many blacks support &lt;br&gt;Obama BECAUSE  he is black.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s just an observation.  It does not imply that gender or race are the only, or even primary, attributes that got these candidates to where they are, nor does it imply that it&#039;s the primary factor in their political success.  The observation is a simple acceptace of one of life&#039;s realities.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is also true that a woman gains an automatic, and sometimes misguided, aura of authenticity when she speaks about women&#039;s issues; a man would have to work harder to gain an equal amount of trust..  Thus, the importance of the symbolic value that a candiate&#039;s persona  brings to the political arena.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama earns respect, even adualtion, because of his achievemtns and his vsion for our future.  Along the way, other, more menial,  factors have impact.  That&#039;s just another observation of life&#039;s realities.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember the outcry about Edward&#039;s haircut?  Had Edwards been a poor man, his policies about combatting poverty would have had an automatic, unvetted aura of autenticity. that no rich man advocating the same policies could hope to have.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The outcry over Ferraro is not based on her words per se, but on what is perceived to be her intent, the unspiken part of her statement.  This involves a lot of mindreading and personal perceptions.  I would urge caution when indulging in mindreading, particularly in this age of soundbites and &#039;gotcha&#039; news reports.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where, in all of this, is an assessment of Ferraro as a person and a politician?&lt;br&gt;Has she shown any signs of being a racist before?   Is that what she is?&lt;br&gt;Or is this just like Powers, who spoke off-the-cuff and unguardedly in an atmosphere where she should have known better than to do that.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Out of  long spans  of a person&#039;s public life, we seize on these snippets, then parse and analyze and draw overreaching conclusions .  We fall in loeve with our own story line,  and the notion of keeping an open mind goes flying out the window. &lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a dangerous game, we&#039;re playing.  Who knows which public figure the next such snippet will destroy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many women support Hillary BECAUSE she is a womn.  Many blacks support <br />Obama BECAUSE  he is black.  </p>
<p>That&#39;s just an observation.  It does not imply that gender or race are the only, or even primary, attributes that got these candidates to where they are, nor does it imply that it&#39;s the primary factor in their political success.  The observation is a simple acceptace of one of life&#39;s realities.  </p>
<p>It is also true that a woman gains an automatic, and sometimes misguided, aura of authenticity when she speaks about women&#39;s issues; a man would have to work harder to gain an equal amount of trust..  Thus, the importance of the symbolic value that a candiate&#39;s persona  brings to the political arena.  </p>
<p>Obama earns respect, even adualtion, because of his achievemtns and his vsion for our future.  Along the way, other, more menial,  factors have impact.  That&#39;s just another observation of life&#39;s realities.</p>
<p>Remember the outcry about Edward&#39;s haircut?  Had Edwards been a poor man, his policies about combatting poverty would have had an automatic, unvetted aura of autenticity. that no rich man advocating the same policies could hope to have.</p>
<p>The outcry over Ferraro is not based on her words per se, but on what is perceived to be her intent, the unspiken part of her statement.  This involves a lot of mindreading and personal perceptions.  I would urge caution when indulging in mindreading, particularly in this age of soundbites and &#39;gotcha&#39; news reports.</p>
<p>Where, in all of this, is an assessment of Ferraro as a person and a politician?<br />Has she shown any signs of being a racist before?   Is that what she is?<br />Or is this just like Powers, who spoke off-the-cuff and unguardedly in an atmosphere where she should have known better than to do that.</p>
<p>Out of  long spans  of a person&#39;s public life, we seize on these snippets, then parse and analyze and draw overreaching conclusions .  We fall in loeve with our own story line,  and the notion of keeping an open mind goes flying out the window. <br />It&#39;s a dangerous game, we&#39;re playing.  Who knows which public figure the next such snippet will destroy.</p>
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		<title>By: awinters</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18375/sorry-mickey-there-is-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-137895</link>
		<dc:creator>awinters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 20:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see the difference, but it doesn&#039;t even matter. The point is that SHE introduced race into the conversation and is crying over the response. She&#039;s acting as if she made a general statement about Obama and people are calling her a racist just because Obama is black. That is NOT what happened. She made a negative statement pertaining to his skin color. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Personally I think its ridiculous to think that, in a country with the racial history we have had for more than 300 years, a black man with a Muslim name resembles that of a hated terrorist and a dictator, is LUCKY. But even if she does think he&#039;s lucky to be black, fine. That&#039;s an opinion and his race is a reason why people are so into him. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But the problem here is that she&#039;s getting pissed off that people are upset about it. If you have the balls to bring up the issue of race, then have the balls to deal with the reactions. There is no way a rational person would think they can say that someone has only accomplished what they have because of the color of their skin and people aren&#039;t going to respond to it. She&#039;s acting like a victim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see the difference, but it doesn&#39;t even matter. The point is that SHE introduced race into the conversation and is crying over the response. She&#39;s acting as if she made a general statement about Obama and people are calling her a racist just because Obama is black. That is NOT what happened. She made a negative statement pertaining to his skin color. </p>
<p>Personally I think its ridiculous to think that, in a country with the racial history we have had for more than 300 years, a black man with a Muslim name resembles that of a hated terrorist and a dictator, is LUCKY. But even if she does think he&#39;s lucky to be black, fine. That&#39;s an opinion and his race is a reason why people are so into him. </p>
<p>But the problem here is that she&#39;s getting pissed off that people are upset about it. If you have the balls to bring up the issue of race, then have the balls to deal with the reactions. There is no way a rational person would think they can say that someone has only accomplished what they have because of the color of their skin and people aren&#39;t going to respond to it. She&#39;s acting like a victim.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18375/sorry-mickey-there-is-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-137894</link>
		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 18:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama&#039;s potential is bringing in new thinking and new people. Gerry is old school and from the 1980&#039;s. She should have retired to Arizona and just shut her mouth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama&#39;s potential is bringing in new thinking and new people. Gerry is old school and from the 1980&#39;s. She should have retired to Arizona and just shut her mouth.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18375/sorry-mickey-there-is-a-difference/comment-page-1/#comment-137893</link>
		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:14:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Now I do see a difference in degree- Ferraro&#039;s statement implies that the ethnic factor is the only, or the primary, reason that Obama is a leading candidate, while Sullivan is only pushing it as one of several reasons to consider him.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s a big damn difference. And Ferraro wasn&#039;t just implying it, she said it bluntly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Now I do see a difference in degree- Ferraro&#39;s statement implies that the ethnic factor is the only, or the primary, reason that Obama is a leading candidate, while Sullivan is only pushing it as one of several reasons to consider him.</b></p>
<p>That&#39;s a big damn difference. And Ferraro wasn&#39;t just implying it, she said it bluntly.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 16:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The irony is that all admit Ferraro&#039;s VEEP candidacy was all because of her sex, and not any good qualities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The irony is that all admit Ferraro&#39;s VEEP candidacy was all because of her sex, and not any good qualities.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSilver</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulSilver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 15:57:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with CStanley.  The difference is that Obama&#039;s color is only one of several distinctive attributes.  At this time in our history I think it is an important advantage for a leader trying to bring alignment to a multicultural world. I think Hillary&#039;s gender is also an advantage but Obama&#039;s is more compelling to me.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now if Obama was a poor communicator or lead an ethically challenged past then I would have little interest in him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with CStanley.  The difference is that Obama&#39;s color is only one of several distinctive attributes.  At this time in our history I think it is an important advantage for a leader trying to bring alignment to a multicultural world. I think Hillary&#39;s gender is also an advantage but Obama&#39;s is more compelling to me.</p>
<p>Now if Obama was a poor communicator or lead an ethically challenged past then I would have little interest in him.</p>
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		<title>By: CStanley</title>
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		<dc:creator>CStanley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:54:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t see the difference. If an Obama supporter like Sullivan is asking voters to consider the prospective advantage of Obama&#039;s racial identity in their voting calculus, then it is no longer just a prospective advantage- it&#039;s being touted as an asset that voters should factor into their decision making.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now I do see a difference in degree- Ferraro&#039;s statement implies that the ethnic factor is the only, or the primary, reason that Obama is a leading candidate, while Sullivan is only pushing it as one of several reasons to consider him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t see the difference. If an Obama supporter like Sullivan is asking voters to consider the prospective advantage of Obama&#39;s racial identity in their voting calculus, then it is no longer just a prospective advantage- it&#39;s being touted as an asset that voters should factor into their decision making.</p>
<p>Now I do see a difference in degree- Ferraro&#39;s statement implies that the ethnic factor is the only, or the primary, reason that Obama is a leading candidate, while Sullivan is only pushing it as one of several reasons to consider him.</p>
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		<title>By: Sorry, Mickey, There is a Difference &#183; SmokeSignalz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sorry, Mickey, There is a Difference &#183; SmokeSignalz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Mar 2008 14:42:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Redstate &#124; Conservative News and Community wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptSorry, Mickey, There is a Difference March 13th, 2008 by PETE ABEL Slate’s Mickey Kaus boldly but carelessly suggests Geraldine Ferraro was right. In setting up his argument, Kaus accuses Obama-booster Andrew Sullivan of uttering the same sentiments as Ferraro in Sullivan’s essay, “Goodbye to All That.” Here are Sullivan’s words, via my excerpt of Kaus’ excerpt: What does [Obama] offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United State [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Redstate | Conservative News and Community wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptSorry, Mickey, There is a Difference March 13th, 2008 by PETE ABEL Slate’s Mickey Kaus boldly but carelessly suggests Geraldine Ferraro was right. In setting up his argument, Kaus accuses Obama-booster Andrew Sullivan of uttering the same sentiments as Ferraro in Sullivan’s essay, “Goodbye to All That.” Here are Sullivan’s words, via my excerpt of Kaus’ excerpt: What does [Obama] offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United State [...]</p>
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