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		<title>By: jdledell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18342/diminishing-the-black-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-148282</link>
		<dc:creator>jdledell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 15:10:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If Ferraro&#039;s comments were just a one off thing, I would be more understanding. However, according to Politico&#039;s Ben Smith, Ferraro made similar comments in 1988 about Jesse Jackson. She said: &quot;If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn&#039;t be in the race,&quot; &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html&quot;&gt;http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_F...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This coupled with current comments about attacking her because she is white makes me believe she is a confirmed, dedicated racist. Whether it is a generational thing or not, it has no business being injected into our current political atmosphere. For Clinton to just &quot;disagree&quot; is insufficient - she must disavow Ferraro&#039;s racism.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If Ferraro&#39;s comments were just a one off thing, I would be more understanding. However, according to Politico&#39;s Ben Smith, Ferraro made similar comments in 1988 about Jesse Jackson. She said: &#8220;If Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn&#39;t be in the race,&#8221; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html"></a><a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_F.." rel="nofollow">http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_F..</a>.</p>
<p>This coupled with current comments about attacking her because she is white makes me believe she is a confirmed, dedicated racist. Whether it is a generational thing or not, it has no business being injected into our current political atmosphere. For Clinton to just &#8220;disagree&#8221; is insufficient &#8211; she must disavow Ferraro&#39;s racism.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 14:14:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS: &#039;That applies to &quot;Hill Shill&quot; insults and slander&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;You&#039;re doing it again, conflating legit crit of Holly&#039;s or other&#039;s positions (such as her posts w/o substance) with a something that has legal and financial penalties. Subtlety&#039;s never been your strong point, though.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Doma: &#039;Being a symbol is a heavy burden as it pertains to hyyped expectations, but it also has advnatages. A symbolic figure can draw attention and support for what the symbol represents, not exclusively because of persoanl worth.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The problem is that the Hill Shillers portray O only as a symbol, whereas he has more experience, his plans are as detailed, and his campaign has been positivist. That&#039;s more than mere symbolism. As they&#039;d say in &#039;84- There&#039;s the beef.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ferraro has always been a hack; which explains why she&#039;s working on the Hillary campaign.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS: &#39;That applies to &#8220;Hill Shill&#8221; insults and slander&#39;</p>
<p>You&#39;re doing it again, conflating legit crit of Holly&#39;s or other&#39;s positions (such as her posts w/o substance) with a something that has legal and financial penalties. Subtlety&#39;s never been your strong point, though.</p>
<p>Doma: &#39;Being a symbol is a heavy burden as it pertains to hyyped expectations, but it also has advnatages. A symbolic figure can draw attention and support for what the symbol represents, not exclusively because of persoanl worth.&#39;</p>
<p>The problem is that the Hill Shillers portray O only as a symbol, whereas he has more experience, his plans are as detailed, and his campaign has been positivist. That&#39;s more than mere symbolism. As they&#39;d say in &#39;84- There&#39;s the beef.</p>
<p>Ferraro has always been a hack; which explains why she&#39;s working on the Hillary campaign.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is some irony here since Geraldine had to fight back against the stereotype that all Italians were associated with the Mafia in 1988 and a whispering campaign that her husband and his family was mobbed up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is some irony here since Geraldine had to fight back against the stereotype that all Italians were associated with the Mafia in 1988 and a whispering campaign that her husband and his family was mobbed up.</p>
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		<title>By: T_Steel</title>
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		<dc:creator>T_Steel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 13:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Domajot, you bring up some very good points.  And as I explained in my post, Ferraro&#039;s comments hit me hard since I&#039;ve been on the end of  the &quot;he was hired only because he&#039;s black&quot; mess.  But Ferraro&#039;s answer that the press is racist because they &quot;called her out&quot; on her comments is just dumb.  And Ferraro threw out the whole &quot;your branded a racist for criticizing Senator Obama&#039;s campaign&quot;.  I&#039;m sure there are a segment of knee-jerk Obama supporters that throw out &quot;racism&quot; at the drop of a dime, but the campaign itself does not do that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Domajot, you bring up some very good points.  And as I explained in my post, Ferraro&#39;s comments hit me hard since I&#39;ve been on the end of  the &#8220;he was hired only because he&#39;s black&#8221; mess.  But Ferraro&#39;s answer that the press is racist because they &#8220;called her out&#8221; on her comments is just dumb.  And Ferraro threw out the whole &#8220;your branded a racist for criticizing Senator Obama&#39;s campaign&#8221;.  I&#39;m sure there are a segment of knee-jerk Obama supporters that throw out &#8220;racism&#8221; at the drop of a dime, but the campaign itself does not do that.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 12:31:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Concerning this post&#039;s last update:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ferraro was not directing her remarks at Obama,  It was a reaction to the firestorm in the press.&lt;br&gt;I think we all need to be more careful when we read the between the lines,lest we read what isn&#039;t there.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s easy to fan the flames of ututal hate.  Putting the fire out, not so much.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning this post&#39;s last update:</p>
<p>Ferraro was not directing her remarks at Obama,  It was a reaction to the firestorm in the press.<br />I think we all need to be more careful when we read the between the lines,lest we read what isn&#39;t there.</p>
<p>It&#39;s easy to fan the flames of ututal hate.  Putting the fire out, not so much.</p>
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		<title>By: TheGrandPanjandrum</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18342/diminishing-the-black-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-148272</link>
		<dc:creator>TheGrandPanjandrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:38:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ACK! Html! Oh no!&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Ferraro &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html&quot;&gt;quote&lt;/a&gt;: &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don&#039;t ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his &quot;radical&quot; views, &quot;if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn&#039;t be in the race.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As i said above this is really sad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ACK! Html! Oh no!</p>
<p>Ferraro <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html">quote</a>: </p>
<blockquote><p>Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don&#39;t ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his &#8220;radical&#8221; views, &#8220;if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn&#39;t be in the race.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>As i said above this is really sad.</p>
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		<title>By: TheGrandPanjandrum</title>
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		<dc:creator>TheGrandPanjandrum</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben Smith at Politico reports Ferraro is quoted as &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html&gt;saying this&lt;/a&gt; in 1988:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don&#039;t ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his &quot;radical&quot; views, &quot;if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn&#039;t be in the race.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s very disheartening to hear fellow Democrats saying these kinds of things. This election really has brought out the worst in many Democrats.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben Smith at Politico reports Ferraro is quoted as <a href="http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/0308/A_Ferraro_flashback.html>saying this</a> in 1988:</p>
<blockquote><p>Placid of demeanor but pointed in his rhetoric, Jackson struck out repeatedly today against those who suggest his race has been an asset in the campaign. President Reagan suggested Tuesday that people don&#39;t ask Jackson tough questions because of his race. And former representative Geraldine A. Ferraro (D-N.Y.) said Wednesday that because of his &#8220;radical&#8221; views, &#8220;if Jesse Jackson were not black, he wouldn&#39;t be in the race.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It&#39;s very disheartening to hear fellow Democrats saying these kinds of things. This election really has brought out the worst in many Democrats.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 05:17:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>doma- I agree with you- each voter brings his/her unique perspective to the process.  I&#039;ve posted on here before that it&#039;s important for all voters to understand their candidates.  Too many people vote for a candidate based on one or two narrow issues, or a candidate&#039;s personality.  Voters who put time into learning about the candidates and bring their own experiences into the decision process will elect the best candidate.  (Though this process is really hurt by candidates who change their position just to get votes.)&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;d also like to note that on the one hand people talk about the FL and MI delegates being disenfranchised, but on the other hand people would prefer the primary be over.  Many of these people would have been too happy for the candidate to be decided by either Super Tuesday, then TX/OH, now it&#039;s PA.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it&#039;s important that all voters have their say.  So it&#039;s important that all states vote and contribute to the nominating process.  Right now the Republicans have their nominee (well, not &quot;officially&quot; but for all intents and purposes the R&#039;s have their candidate), which leaves all those other voters in states which have yet to vote as being disenfranchised- if they all voted for Huckabee, for instance, then McCain would still get the nomination.  Even though I wish the process were over, I do think it is very healthy to have a period of time to look at the candidates, see how they respond, etc.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obviously a day is too short for this process, but perhaps the primary season can be shortened from, like forever (well... 6 months- Jan. - June) to perhaps six weeks or two months, which gives the candidates time to travel and debate, and doesn&#039;t draw out the process month after month. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The good thing about this long process is that the Dem voters are able look at the candidates and everyone gets a say.  Too bad the process is too long.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>doma- I agree with you- each voter brings his/her unique perspective to the process.  I&#39;ve posted on here before that it&#39;s important for all voters to understand their candidates.  Too many people vote for a candidate based on one or two narrow issues, or a candidate&#39;s personality.  Voters who put time into learning about the candidates and bring their own experiences into the decision process will elect the best candidate.  (Though this process is really hurt by candidates who change their position just to get votes.)</p>
<p>I&#39;d also like to note that on the one hand people talk about the FL and MI delegates being disenfranchised, but on the other hand people would prefer the primary be over.  Many of these people would have been too happy for the candidate to be decided by either Super Tuesday, then TX/OH, now it&#39;s PA.  </p>
<p>I think it&#39;s important that all voters have their say.  So it&#39;s important that all states vote and contribute to the nominating process.  Right now the Republicans have their nominee (well, not &#8220;officially&#8221; but for all intents and purposes the R&#39;s have their candidate), which leaves all those other voters in states which have yet to vote as being disenfranchised- if they all voted for Huckabee, for instance, then McCain would still get the nomination.  Even though I wish the process were over, I do think it is very healthy to have a period of time to look at the candidates, see how they respond, etc.  </p>
<p>Obviously a day is too short for this process, but perhaps the primary season can be shortened from, like forever (well&#8230; 6 months- Jan. &#8211; June) to perhaps six weeks or two months, which gives the candidates time to travel and debate, and doesn&#39;t draw out the process month after month. </p>
<p>The good thing about this long process is that the Dem voters are able look at the candidates and everyone gets a say.  Too bad the process is too long.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 03:22:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can we just agree on one minor, but important, point?&lt;br&gt;What we hear is not necessarily what is said.  Between what is spoken and what is heard lies an ocean  of iinterpretation, consisting of personal and cultural experiences.and predilections.  We are all captives of our personal perceptions while remaining blingdand deaf to the perceptions of others.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whether by design  or chance, Obama has become a symbol of several things, one of these being the nations&#039;s desire to put racial bigotry behind us.  Being a symbol is a heavy burden as it pertains to hyyped expectations, but it also has advnatages.  A symbolic figure  can draw attention and support for what the symbol represents, not exclusively because of persoanl worth.&lt;br&gt;Thomas Jefferson, for example, is revered for what his enlightened thinking reapresents symbolicaly, not for the concuct of his personal life.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What I just said is a simple  OBSERVATION.  It is not intended  to be  the definitive  assessment of symols, Obama or Jefferson.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What is happening is that it is not safe to meke simple observations in the current atmosphere.  Every spoken word is seized on,  interpreted, regurgitated  and spun into a stratosphere totally unrelated to the initial observation. There is no time for thoughtful reflection, because the next delicious fight, about the most recent spoken, or written word, is about to begin.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By caving in to the delights of warfare, we miss every golden opportunity to deepen our understanding of the issues we are fighing about.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;T-Steel; presented his observation.   I expressed a  different take, but our observations are not mutually exclusive.  They are views from diffferent angles, and together, they make a more complete picture than either observation standing on its own.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yeah, I know, can&#039;t we just all get along?&lt;br&gt;Before you scoff, though, isn&#039;t that Obama&#039;s message?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can we just agree on one minor, but important, point?<br />What we hear is not necessarily what is said.  Between what is spoken and what is heard lies an ocean  of iinterpretation, consisting of personal and cultural experiences.and predilections.  We are all captives of our personal perceptions while remaining blingdand deaf to the perceptions of others.</p>
<p>Whether by design  or chance, Obama has become a symbol of several things, one of these being the nations&#39;s desire to put racial bigotry behind us.  Being a symbol is a heavy burden as it pertains to hyyped expectations, but it also has advnatages.  A symbolic figure  can draw attention and support for what the symbol represents, not exclusively because of persoanl worth.<br />Thomas Jefferson, for example, is revered for what his enlightened thinking reapresents symbolicaly, not for the concuct of his personal life.  </p>
<p>What I just said is a simple  OBSERVATION.  It is not intended  to be  the definitive  assessment of symols, Obama or Jefferson.  </p>
<p>What is happening is that it is not safe to meke simple observations in the current atmosphere.  Every spoken word is seized on,  interpreted, regurgitated  and spun into a stratosphere totally unrelated to the initial observation. There is no time for thoughtful reflection, because the next delicious fight, about the most recent spoken, or written word, is about to begin.  </p>
<p>By caving in to the delights of warfare, we miss every golden opportunity to deepen our understanding of the issues we are fighing about.  </p>
<p>T-Steel; presented his observation.   I expressed a  different take, but our observations are not mutually exclusive.  They are views from diffferent angles, and together, they make a more complete picture than either observation standing on its own.</p>
<p>Yeah, I know, can&#39;t we just all get along?<br />Before you scoff, though, isn&#39;t that Obama&#39;s message?</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>GeorgeSorwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 02:13:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slamfu--&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think anyone expected it to be this way. Normally there&#039;s a clear front runner long before the time anyone clinches the delegate count.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think the idea of having it all over in one day--having all the primaries/caucuses on the same day, I guess--is worth considering. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And of course not all general elections run too smoothly, either. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Clinton or Obama: I can&#039;t wait to vote for one of them!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slamfu&#8211;</p>
<p>I don&#39;t think anyone expected it to be this way. Normally there&#39;s a clear front runner long before the time anyone clinches the delegate count.  </p>
<p>I think the idea of having it all over in one day&#8211;having all the primaries/caucuses on the same day, I guess&#8211;is worth considering. </p>
<p>And of course not all general elections run too smoothly, either. </p>
<p>Clinton or Obama: I can&#39;t wait to vote for one of them!</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
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		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:33:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;I think the fact that it isn&#039;t over, though unfortunate, is a reflection of the fact that they are both strong candidates.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think it has more to do with a rediculously drawn out process.   This should all be over in one day.  Can you imagine running the general election this way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the fact that it isn&#39;t over, though unfortunate, is a reflection of the fact that they are both strong candidates.&#8221;</p>
<p>I think it has more to do with a rediculously drawn out process.   This should all be over in one day.  Can you imagine running the general election this way?</p>
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		<title>By: JSpencer</title>
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		<dc:creator>JSpencer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 01:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm... based on Ferraro&#039;s theory, I might well have seen a boost to my income and career had I been black rather than white, and without any change in actual job performance! Wow! Ya know, one thing about this race, it&#039;s really bringing some of the nuts out of the woodwork and into the fore, which I have to believe is, on some level, a good thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230; based on Ferraro&#39;s theory, I might well have seen a boost to my income and career had I been black rather than white, and without any change in actual job performance! Wow! Ya know, one thing about this race, it&#39;s really bringing some of the nuts out of the woodwork and into the fore, which I have to believe is, on some level, a good thing.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:41:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;take a planet-sized CHILL PILL&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That applies to &quot;Hill Shill&quot; insults and slander more than to other things posted here.  Take note.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;take a planet-sized CHILL PILL&#8221;</p>
<p>That applies to &#8220;Hill Shill&#8221; insults and slander more than to other things posted here.  Take note.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18342/diminishing-the-black-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-148259</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:36:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly: Cosmo: I do not write &quot;biased and hate-based things. &quot; The way you see what I write has more to do with YOU than it does with me. Please refrain from attacking TMV bloggers and commenters.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, I&#039;ve not attacked any bloggers or commenters. You are just trying to sidestep your actions in writing, comments of which many others, in many other threads, have rightfully taken you to task for. Therefore, it IS you and your comments, not the way others perceive them.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Again, read T Steel&#039;s comment: &#039;That being said, supporters from both sides need to take a planet-sized CHILL PILL. But knowing human nature, I expect more stupidity flying from the mouths of some Clinton and Obama supporters.&#039;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly: Cosmo: I do not write &#8220;biased and hate-based things. &#8221; The way you see what I write has more to do with YOU than it does with me. Please refrain from attacking TMV bloggers and commenters.</p>
<p>Again, I&#39;ve not attacked any bloggers or commenters. You are just trying to sidestep your actions in writing, comments of which many others, in many other threads, have rightfully taken you to task for. Therefore, it IS you and your comments, not the way others perceive them.</p>
<p>Again, read T Steel&#39;s comment: &#39;That being said, supporters from both sides need to take a planet-sized CHILL PILL. But knowing human nature, I expect more stupidity flying from the mouths of some Clinton and Obama supporters.&#39;</p>
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		<title>By: GeorgeSorwell</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18342/diminishing-the-black-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-148258</link>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will be happy to vote for either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Naturally, I wish the nominating process was over by now. I think the fact that it isn&#039;t over, though unfortunate, is a reflection of the fact that they are both strong candidates. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I can&#039;t wait to vote!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will be happy to vote for either Hillary Clinton or Barrack Obama. </p>
<p>Naturally, I wish the nominating process was over by now. I think the fact that it isn&#39;t over, though unfortunate, is a reflection of the fact that they are both strong candidates. </p>
<p>I can&#39;t wait to vote!</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18342/diminishing-the-black-dude/comment-page-1/#comment-148257</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:22:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ferraro-Schlafly 2008</description>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Mar 2008 00:04:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>T,&lt;br&gt;You need to add Ferraro&#039;s &quot;clarifying&quot; remarks. She&#039;s now officially jumped the shark and become a full-on liability for Hillary Clinton.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8533832&quot;&gt;http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8533832&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Quote:&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let&#039;s address reality and the problems we&#039;re facing in this world, you&#039;re accused of being racist, so you have to shut up,&quot; Ferraro said. &quot;Racism works in two different directions. I really think they&#039;re attacking me because I&#039;m white. How&#039;s that?&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This is the feminist version of Jesse Helms&#039; &quot;White Hands&quot; ad.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>T,<br />You need to add Ferraro&#39;s &#8220;clarifying&#8221; remarks. She&#39;s now officially jumped the shark and become a full-on liability for Hillary Clinton.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8533832">http://www.dailybreeze.com/ci_8533832</a></p>
<p>Quote:<br />
<blockquote>&#8220;Any time anybody does anything that in any way pulls this campaign down and says let&#39;s address reality and the problems we&#39;re facing in this world, you&#39;re accused of being racist, so you have to shut up,&#8221; Ferraro said. &#8220;Racism works in two different directions. I really think they&#39;re attacking me because I&#39;m white. How&#39;s that?&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This is the feminist version of Jesse Helms&#39; &#8220;White Hands&#8221; ad.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:54:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;She&#039;s an old generation Democrat&quot;  [&quot;moderate&quot; or &quot;centrist&quot; on this site]&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s it, exactly.  There goes the youth vote -- even more.  And Clinton is up there in years even though she&#039;s a Boomer like Obama (called &quot;post-boomer&quot; by so many exhibiting a need for qualification and even weighting of the suffrage).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Many just don&#039;t trust anyone over, oh, fifty (the new Hill one goes over even though seventy is the real Hill and onset of real retirement age and true older age by the late seventies).   Much of the problem is that these older people tend to be the incumbents in Washington, which is rightly seen as so much of the problem there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;She&#39;s an old generation Democrat&#8221;  ["moderate" or "centrist" on this site]</p>
<p>That&#39;s it, exactly.  There goes the youth vote &#8212; even more.  And Clinton is up there in years even though she&#39;s a Boomer like Obama (called &#8220;post-boomer&#8221; by so many exhibiting a need for qualification and even weighting of the suffrage).</p>
<p>Many just don&#39;t trust anyone over, oh, fifty (the new Hill one goes over even though seventy is the real Hill and onset of real retirement age and true older age by the late seventies).   Much of the problem is that these older people tend to be the incumbents in Washington, which is rightly seen as so much of the problem there.</p>
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		<title>By: Holly_in_Cincinnati</title>
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		<dc:creator>Holly_in_Cincinnati</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:48:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cosmo: I do not write &quot;biased and hate-based things. &quot; The way you see what I write has more to do with YOU than it does with me. Please refrain from attacking TMV bloggers and commenters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cosmo: I do not write &#8220;biased and hate-based things. &#8221; The way you see what I write has more to do with YOU than it does with me. Please refrain from attacking TMV bloggers and commenters.</p>
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		<title>By: ChrisWWW</title>
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		<dc:creator>ChrisWWW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 23:29:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This fits in well with the Clinton strategy since the S. Carolina primary. Essentially, you paint Obama as the &quot;black candidate&quot; and try to depict yourself as stemming the tide of the people of color.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Combine that with her insistence that states don&#039;t count if she didn&#039;t win them, and it&#039;s clear she will do just about anything to win. Hillary supporters that reject Republican campaign tactics should definitely reexamine their own candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This fits in well with the Clinton strategy since the S. Carolina primary. Essentially, you paint Obama as the &#8220;black candidate&#8221; and try to depict yourself as stemming the tide of the people of color.</p>
<p>Combine that with her insistence that states don&#39;t count if she didn&#39;t win them, and it&#39;s clear she will do just about anything to win. Hillary supporters that reject Republican campaign tactics should definitely reexamine their own candidate.</p>
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