Obama Points Out Clinton Contradiction In Suggestion Of Obama Vice President
Ahhh….just visualize it. The “dream ticket” (for some Democrats and Clinton supporters) as articulated by former President Bill Clinton: Presidential candidate Hillary Clinton and Vice Presidential candidate Barack Obama. But Obama made it clear to today that its the in-your-dreams ticket.
From The Politico:
“Now first of all with all due respect, with all due respect,” he said here during a town hall meeting. “I won twice as many states as Sen. Clinton. I won more of the popular vote than Sen. Clinton. I have more delegates than Sen. Clinton. So I don’t’ know how someone in second place can offer the vice presidency to someone in first place. If I was in second place I could understand but I am in first place right now.
He referenced comments from Bill Clinton in 1992 that his “most important criteria” for vice president was that person must be ready to be commander in chief.
“They have been spending the last two or three weeks” arguing that he is not ready to be commander in chief, Obama said.
“I don’t understand. If I am not ready, how is it that you think I should be such a great vice president?” Obama asked the crowd, which gave him a standing ovation during his defense. “I don’t understand.”“You can’t say he is not ready on day one, then you want him to be your vice president,” Obama continued. “I just want everybody to absolutely clear: I am not running for vice president. I am running to be president of the United States of America.”
Some analysts in reports suggest that this has been floated (and the former President isn’t the only person in the Clinton camp who has given a subtle message that it would be a perfect ticket) to a) paint Hillary Clinton as the front-runner and restart the discarded “inevitability” image, and b) to peel off Obama voters and perhaps appeal to Superdelegates.
The only certainty is this: the bitterness between Obama’s supporters and Clinton’s is now so great that a ticket with the two might be the only way to unite the party.
But even that wouldn’t work unless No. 2 convinced his/her followers that it was a great concept. So it remains the “In Your Dreams” ticket, even if the Democrats face a divisive nightmare in Denver.
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From day one, I figured this would never become a reality simply because it would require one of them to subordinate their ego.
Think about it this way……..how many people in this world have the chutzpah to say to themselves….I ought to be President of the United States……and then go around announcing that to others……….and then, in a later breath, say, no, actually someone else would be better?
Each of their statements attest to this mindset.
Why would either want to be #2?
Meanwhile –
Iowa Electronic Markets
http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_DConv0…
Also, from the Iowa Electronic Markets, two D vs. R graphs:
http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08…
http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08…
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Both candidates can claim to be telling the truth. The other candidate is not ready to take that 3:00 AM phone call, but can handle it a heartbeat later.
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Meanwhile, what do the super-delegates think, or what are they being told?
“Just what Hillary needs. A story about class differences, noblesse oblige, and prep school heroes.”
“The letter's argument is that clearly superdelegates aren't there to be the mere number crunchers or rubber stamps that Obama's campaign now wants them to be. Obama supporters respond to this argument by changing the subject.”
http://marcambinder.theatlantic.com/archives/20…
The only “inevitability” that might have been foreseen coming into this election season would have been a democrat victory. Now even that has become an uncertainty. The democrat powers that be need to figure this out in a hurry and with assertiveness or it will become another magnificent democrat meltdown, leaving the reins in the hands of the same naifs who produced our present regrettable state of the union. It's become increasingly obvious the burden of responsibility is on Sen. Clinton to take one for the team, and it can't happen too soon.
'The only certainty is this: the bitterness between Obama’s supporters and Clinton’s is now so great that a ticket with the two might be the only way to unite the party.'
No, Joe- not between two who have campaigned this way. Even LBJ and JFK were not locked in a battle as this- they detested each other, but never BS'd about it in public.
I think two items are completely unsubstantiated:
First, Obama's remark about the “contradiction” is a deliberate misinterpretation of Clinton's remarks on readiness.
Second, there isn't any evidence of an irreparable split in the party. Even if there were polling to support this, there isn't any way to know if that polling would hold as the general heated up.
Third, it isn't at all clear that Obama won the popular vote, if you look at voter per delegates in particular.
I think Obama looks ungracious. It's probably not a big deal either way. However, almost all the analysis on this site and Politico is petty fluff like this. There are no major policy differences between the candidates. They are each supported by half the party. Partisans want to make every statement into a huge deal, because there isn't anything else to talk about. It's tiresome.
Kanzeon,
If you really listen to Clinton, it's not the office of President on a Democratic ticket she's running for it's McCain's VP. After all, how many times now has she said that the Republican candidate is better than her fellow Democrat? 3? 4? How many more times will she do it in the weeks to come? I used to respect the Clintons. Now I think they're perfectly willing to destroy the Democratic party while believing that there will be no price for it.
'Third, it isn't at all clear that Obama won the popular vote, if you look at voter per delegates in particular.'
What the hell are you talking about? Obama has a 6-700k pop vote lead in all the primaries and caucuses.