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		<title>By: domajot</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18308/journalists-are-angry-too/comment-page-1/#comment-140208</link>
		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 08:13:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with Paul Silver that it helps to consult a variety of meida sources,witih different political slants.  To really benefit from the exercise, though, it  can&#039;t be done casually.  It takes time and effort to really absorb what someone with whom we disagree is saying.   The seductive  and self gratifying  custom is to wallow in  what is comfortable to hear, a self-validaitng process, and to dismiss everything we don&#039;&#039;t like as  trash.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It takes a lot of self disciple and the ability to step away from the fracas to see the big picture in order to benefit from a perusal  of this kind,  Personally, I have a problem with the time it takes, so I don&#039;t do ir regularly, just once in a while.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Instead, I depend on a private discussion group I&#039;ve developed away from the screaming on the blogosphere.  We represent a wide variety of views, and several countries.  We do NOT agree on much.  We also are comfortable enough with each other to not hold back for fear of offending another.  We just zealously observe the rule of addressing each other with respect.  No name calling.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In this way, talking person to pwrson, I have learned quite a lot.  I can&#039;t say my opinions have changed drastically, but I understand better how those in disagreement with me come by theirs.  You can&#039;t really understand the world, or  politics, if you don&#039;t understand the people who operate in those spheres.  &lt;br&gt;Lesson mumber one:  the world doesn&#039;t begin and end with the self.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with Paul Silver that it helps to consult a variety of meida sources,witih different political slants.  To really benefit from the exercise, though, it  can&#39;t be done casually.  It takes time and effort to really absorb what someone with whom we disagree is saying.   The seductive  and self gratifying  custom is to wallow in  what is comfortable to hear, a self-validaitng process, and to dismiss everything we don&#39;&#39;t like as  trash.</p>
<p>It takes a lot of self disciple and the ability to step away from the fracas to see the big picture in order to benefit from a perusal  of this kind,  Personally, I have a problem with the time it takes, so I don&#39;t do ir regularly, just once in a while.</p>
<p>Instead, I depend on a private discussion group I&#39;ve developed away from the screaming on the blogosphere.  We represent a wide variety of views, and several countries.  We do NOT agree on much.  We also are comfortable enough with each other to not hold back for fear of offending another.  We just zealously observe the rule of addressing each other with respect.  No name calling.</p>
<p>In this way, talking person to pwrson, I have learned quite a lot.  I can&#39;t say my opinions have changed drastically, but I understand better how those in disagreement with me come by theirs.  You can&#39;t really understand the world, or  politics, if you don&#39;t understand the people who operate in those spheres.  <br />Lesson mumber one:  the world doesn&#39;t begin and end with the self.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18308/journalists-are-angry-too/comment-page-1/#comment-140207</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 01:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Doma: &#039;The study to which DLS linked expresses what I&#039;ve been seeing. The bottom line journalism of today is not concerned with accuracy or quality, it&#039;s concerned with whatever sells at the least cost.&#039;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Which is precisely why the claims of a liberal media are so absurd, since it&#039;s run on such a bottom line basis- shit sells, not ideas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Doma: &#39;The study to which DLS linked expresses what I&#39;ve been seeing. The bottom line journalism of today is not concerned with accuracy or quality, it&#39;s concerned with whatever sells at the least cost.&#39;</p>
<p>Which is precisely why the claims of a liberal media are so absurd, since it&#39;s run on such a bottom line basis- shit sells, not ideas.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSilver</title>
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		<dc:creator>PaulSilver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 23:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One strategy for navigating the waves of MSM is to consciously try to cycle through news and opinion sources with different points of view:  NYT, WSJ, Newshour, HardBall, Fox News, RealClearPoliitics and my favorite Google news which gathers from an international roster of sources.  &lt;br&gt;I often force myself to read material from people I already know I will disagree with in order to calibrate my own criteria. Sometimes I even change my mind ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One strategy for navigating the waves of MSM is to consciously try to cycle through news and opinion sources with different points of view:  NYT, WSJ, Newshour, HardBall, Fox News, RealClearPoliitics and my favorite Google news which gathers from an international roster of sources.  <br />I often force myself to read material from people I already know I will disagree with in order to calibrate my own criteria. Sometimes I even change my mind <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:20:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not incidentally, has anyone else noticed the significant uptick in advertising for insurance companies and pharmaceuticals on news broadcasts, and especially political news shows? &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;By becoming the major source of income for the news, they assure kid glove treatment on matters like health care reform. Petroleum, the corn lobby (ADM, Cargill), chemical companies, automakers and others are using the same strategy. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We can forget about true investigative journalism on any topic important to the corporate-owned and corporate-sponsored media. They know which side of the bread is buttered and we must too, if we are to get the facts on any of these issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not incidentally, has anyone else noticed the significant uptick in advertising for insurance companies and pharmaceuticals on news broadcasts, and especially political news shows? </p>
<p>By becoming the major source of income for the news, they assure kid glove treatment on matters like health care reform. Petroleum, the corn lobby (ADM, Cargill), chemical companies, automakers and others are using the same strategy. </p>
<p>We can forget about true investigative journalism on any topic important to the corporate-owned and corporate-sponsored media. They know which side of the bread is buttered and we must too, if we are to get the facts on any of these issues.</p>
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		<title>By: domajot</title>
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		<dc:creator>domajot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:07:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The study to which DLS  linked expresses what I&#039;ve been seeing.  The bottom line journalism of today is not concerned with accuracy or quality, it&#039;s concerned with whatever sells at the least cost.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That, of course, has always been true; hence the dumbing down of news stories  to grade school level language.  It&#039;s the dgree of degradation for profit&#039;s sake that is of concern now.  That degree has skyrocketed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;We wring our hands about a poorly educated public.  Like it or not, the media  serve as an educational tool.  When children  bring  news clippings to class these days, they are not learning much of value.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I understand the frustration among journalists this post refers to.&lt;br&gt;I see that  news reporters and commentators are not hired or rewarded  for their intelligence or journalistic professionalism any more.  They are hired for their   &lt;br&gt;ability to make off-the-cuff snarky remarks and to opine about subjects of which they have little understanding.  It&#039;s just throwing red meat to the dogs.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I couldn&#039;t sleep the other night, and for the first time in quite a while, I spent several hours tuned in to CNN.  As a result, I may not be sleeping much for some &lt;br&gt;time to come. What I saw was row upon row of freshly scrubbed and smug young people blathering away about topics of which they were largely ignorant..&lt;br&gt;How can one comment about primaries without knowing how they work, how they have developed and changed?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Note to all journalists.  It  is incorrect to say: &quot;He spoke to my wife and I.&quot;&lt;br&gt;It is correct to say:&quot; He spke to my wife and ME.&quot;&lt;br&gt;Hint:  If he spoke to me, then he spoke to my wife and me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The study to which DLS  linked expresses what I&#39;ve been seeing.  The bottom line journalism of today is not concerned with accuracy or quality, it&#39;s concerned with whatever sells at the least cost.</p>
<p>That, of course, has always been true; hence the dumbing down of news stories  to grade school level language.  It&#39;s the dgree of degradation for profit&#39;s sake that is of concern now.  That degree has skyrocketed.</p>
<p>We wring our hands about a poorly educated public.  Like it or not, the media  serve as an educational tool.  When children  bring  news clippings to class these days, they are not learning much of value.</p>
<p>I understand the frustration among journalists this post refers to.<br />I see that  news reporters and commentators are not hired or rewarded  for their intelligence or journalistic professionalism any more.  They are hired for their   <br />ability to make off-the-cuff snarky remarks and to opine about subjects of which they have little understanding.  It&#39;s just throwing red meat to the dogs.</p>
<p>I couldn&#39;t sleep the other night, and for the first time in quite a while, I spent several hours tuned in to CNN.  As a result, I may not be sleeping much for some <br />time to come. What I saw was row upon row of freshly scrubbed and smug young people blathering away about topics of which they were largely ignorant..<br />How can one comment about primaries without knowing how they work, how they have developed and changed?</p>
<p>Note to all journalists.  It  is incorrect to say: &#8220;He spoke to my wife and I.&#8221;<br />It is correct to say:&#8221; He spke to my wife and ME.&#8221;<br />Hint:  If he spoke to me, then he spoke to my wife and me.</p>
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		<title>By: kritt11</title>
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		<dc:creator>kritt11</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve noticed that all news seems to be repetitive with little or no investigative work or analysis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve noticed that all news seems to be repetitive with little or no investigative work or analysis.</p>
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		<title>By: Lynx</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:37:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t know if anyone else has had the feeling, but I&#039;ve realized that the minute I have any actual specialized or personal knowledge of the issues contained within an article (when an event gets covered that I&#039;ve attended, or a regular newspaper writes about scientific issues I specialize in) I am blown away by the inaccuracies, exagerations and plain lies and mistakes that riddle almost all the articles.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of course the logical conclusion isn&#039;t that only the articles I have detailed knowledge of are flawed in such a fashion, but that ALL articles contain huge numbers of distortions and mistakes, but I&#039;m only aware of a small percentage of them. And yet, I constantly read the news, go figure.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#39;t know if anyone else has had the feeling, but I&#39;ve realized that the minute I have any actual specialized or personal knowledge of the issues contained within an article (when an event gets covered that I&#39;ve attended, or a regular newspaper writes about scientific issues I specialize in) I am blown away by the inaccuracies, exagerations and plain lies and mistakes that riddle almost all the articles.</p>
<p>Of course the logical conclusion isn&#39;t that only the articles I have detailed knowledge of are flawed in such a fashion, but that ALL articles contain huge numbers of distortions and mistakes, but I&#39;m only aware of a small percentage of them. And yet, I constantly read the news, go figure.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 17:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve posted a link before to a Pew study that really isn&#039;t that dated now.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=214&quot;&gt;http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?Re...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ve posted a link before to a Pew study that really isn&#39;t that dated now.</p>
<p><a href="http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?ReportID=214"></a><a href="http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?Re.." rel="nofollow">http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?Re..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Merritt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Merritt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Television control room&lt;br&gt;(true conversation to the best of my recollection):&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Director: This graphic is inaccurate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Producer: We need to keep the graphic up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Director: I am taking it down. The numbers are wrong.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Producer: What are you doing, take it, take it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Director: I am not knowingly putting up the wrong information.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Producer: We need to keep the graphic up, now take it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Director: I am sorry, but unless you fix the data, I cannot.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Producer: You are in big trouble mister.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Director: Maybe with you, but not with the viewer.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The person involved never did get “in big trouble.” Honestly, I am amazed everyday how many people are unqualified for their news jobs. I work in TV news and I cannot watch any news show on any channel anywhere. I just know it is generally all BS and hype at best and inaccurate at worst.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Haha, I&#039;m only a university student, but I know the feeling oh-so-well.  No bad blood, generally, with the org I&#039;m with, but I know how tense it can get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Television control room<br />(true conversation to the best of my recollection):</p>
<p>Director: This graphic is inaccurate.</p>
<p>Producer: We need to keep the graphic up.</p>
<p>Director: I am taking it down. The numbers are wrong.</p>
<p>Producer: What are you doing, take it, take it.</p>
<p>Director: I am not knowingly putting up the wrong information.</p>
<p>Producer: We need to keep the graphic up, now take it.</p>
<p>Director: I am sorry, but unless you fix the data, I cannot.</p>
<p>Producer: You are in big trouble mister.</p>
<p>Director: Maybe with you, but not with the viewer.</p>
<p>The person involved never did get “in big trouble.” Honestly, I am amazed everyday how many people are unqualified for their news jobs. I work in TV news and I cannot watch any news show on any channel anywhere. I just know it is generally all BS and hype at best and inaccurate at worst.&#8221;</p>
<p>Haha, I&#39;m only a university student, but I know the feeling oh-so-well.  No bad blood, generally, with the org I&#39;m with, but I know how tense it can get.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalists Are Angry, Too</title>
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		<dc:creator>Journalists Are Angry, Too</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<dc:creator>Jules Crittenden &#187; Scribbler Rage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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