Comments on: Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 00:19:16 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128833 DLS Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:18:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128833 Dems for 2008 nomination -- note change (pun intended) since Iowa 2008<br><br><a href="http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_DConv08.cfm">http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_DConv0...</a><br><br><br>GOP for 2008 nomination -- setup up for a "spike" or "smash" in November<br><br><a href="http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_RConv08.cfm">http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_RConv0...</a><br><br><br>Dem vs. GOP in 2008 election<br><br><a href="http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08_VS.cfm">http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08...</a><br><br><a href="http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08_WTA.cfm">http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08...</a> Dems for 2008 nomination — note change (pun intended) since Iowa 2008

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_DConv0...

GOP for 2008 nomination — setup up for a “spike” or “smash” in November

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_RConv0...

Dem vs. GOP in 2008 election

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08...

http://iemweb.biz.uiowa.edu/graphs/graph_Pres08...

]]> By: cosmoetica http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128830 cosmoetica Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:37:45 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128830 Reality check: When you have four aces, as O does, you don't kow tow to someone working on a straight. They have NADA to offer him, and he will want no part of her. He can win red states- she cannot, and she can lose some blues to Mac that O won't.<br><br>It's all about matchups, as in sports.<br><br>O will win the nom and the party will tell her that they'll ask Harry Reid to step aside in a couple of years so Hill can be the first female Majority Leader. Make book. Reality check: When you have four aces, as O does, you don't kow tow to someone working on a straight. They have NADA to offer him, and he will want no part of her. He can win red states- she cannot, and she can lose some blues to Mac that O won't.

It's all about matchups, as in sports.

O will win the nom and the party will tell her that they'll ask Harry Reid to step aside in a couple of years so Hill can be the first female Majority Leader. Make book.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128828 DLS Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:10:09 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128828 Anybody chosen by Clinton, who we all know is strong and controlling, will be a figurehead. As I described it, it will be someone who will "shut up and take orders." I had in mind someone like either of Washington State's dim-bulb Bluezies, Maria Cantwell or Patty Murray. Anybody chosen by Clinton, who we all know is strong and controlling, will be a figurehead. As I described it, it will be someone who will “shut up and take orders.” I had in mind someone like either of Washington State's dim-bulb Bluezies, Maria Cantwell or Patty Murray.

]]> By: 1concerned_citizen http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128827 1concerned_citizen Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:17:31 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128827 Hillary Clinton is a power hungry, vicious woman who would stop at nothing to get where she wants to be. She has yet to use any of the millions of dollars she has been given to show the American people what she really "can" do. Instead she has spent millions of dollars bashing everything good that anyone else stands for. She could show how much she cares about people, like the hundreds of children in the Rio Grande Valley who go to bed hungry every night, by donating the remainder of her campaign funds to a good cause rather than using it to try to win a race she can never win. Well, that is, unless she goes about winning this like she has won most things in her life, destroying innocent people. <br><br>It is time for the concerned people in this country to do anything and everything they can to learn about who and what the Clintons are. Do your research. Don't find yourself sorry for voting for her after it is too late. Ask her "what she can do", don't just take her word for it. Find out what the results of her visits to Irag and all of these places really were. Find out, when and if she ever releases her income tax returns, how much will be expected of her presidency in return for Bill Clintons investments in the Sheik of Dubai. You need to be informed.<br><br>Our hope is that this election will not come to choosing evil over color. <br><br>Plus, you can forget a combination of the two. Either way this thing goes Barrack would be a fool to agree to being her running mate. In fact, maybe he better see for himself what has happened to other people who have gotten in their way. Hillary Clinton is a power hungry, vicious woman who would stop at nothing to get where she wants to be. She has yet to use any of the millions of dollars she has been given to show the American people what she really “can” do. Instead she has spent millions of dollars bashing everything good that anyone else stands for. She could show how much she cares about people, like the hundreds of children in the Rio Grande Valley who go to bed hungry every night, by donating the remainder of her campaign funds to a good cause rather than using it to try to win a race she can never win. Well, that is, unless she goes about winning this like she has won most things in her life, destroying innocent people.

It is time for the concerned people in this country to do anything and everything they can to learn about who and what the Clintons are. Do your research. Don't find yourself sorry for voting for her after it is too late. Ask her “what she can do”, don't just take her word for it. Find out what the results of her visits to Irag and all of these places really were. Find out, when and if she ever releases her income tax returns, how much will be expected of her presidency in return for Bill Clintons investments in the Sheik of Dubai. You need to be informed.

Our hope is that this election will not come to choosing evil over color.

Plus, you can forget a combination of the two. Either way this thing goes Barrack would be a fool to agree to being her running mate. In fact, maybe he better see for himself what has happened to other people who have gotten in their way.

]]> By: jdledell http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128826 jdledell Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:21:28 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128826 Obama would be crazy to take the VP slot. Everyone knows that Hillary's de facto VP is going to be Bill. Between Hillary and Bill there would be absolutely no room for Obama to be anything more than a figurehead. <br><br>Forget any promise by Hillary and Bill to step aside early - it's not in their nature. Just ask Gordon Brown how good promises like that really are. On the other hand, I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would be equally ridiculous. It might help in the General Election but in running this country it would be a disaster. Hillary and Bill would try to undermine everything Obama would try to accomplish. Obama would be crazy to take the VP slot. Everyone knows that Hillary's de facto VP is going to be Bill. Between Hillary and Bill there would be absolutely no room for Obama to be anything more than a figurehead.

Forget any promise by Hillary and Bill to step aside early – it's not in their nature. Just ask Gordon Brown how good promises like that really are. On the other hand, I think an Obama/Clinton ticket would be equally ridiculous. It might help in the General Election but in running this country it would be a disaster. Hillary and Bill would try to undermine everything Obama would try to accomplish.

]]> By: jabbo http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128825 jabbo Mon, 10 Mar 2008 16:10:57 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128825 My first reaction to the possibility of a Clinton/Obama ticket is that Obama should jump at the chance, since I think it would insure that McCain would win, leaving Obama in a position to run again in 4 or 8 years. A quick check of history shoots that done though...the last time a vice presidential candidate on a losing ticket later went on to win the White House was in 1920 - FDR ran as VP and the Dems lost to Harding. And GreenDreams is right - Hillary has no intentions of Obama running with her. My first reaction to the possibility of a Clinton/Obama ticket is that Obama should jump at the chance, since I think it would insure that McCain would win, leaving Obama in a position to run again in 4 or 8 years. A quick check of history shoots that done though…the last time a vice presidential candidate on a losing ticket later went on to win the White House was in 1920 – FDR ran as VP and the Dems lost to Harding. And GreenDreams is right – Hillary has no intentions of Obama running with her.

]]> By: GreenDreams http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128824 GreenDreams Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:40:27 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128824 call me a cynic, but I think the Clintons' floating the idea is a ploy, in hope that some of those undecided might think, 'oh, I can have them both if I vote for Hillary.' I don't think either would agree to be veep for the other. call me a cynic, but I think the Clintons' floating the idea is a ploy, in hope that some of those undecided might think, 'oh, I can have them both if I vote for Hillary.' I don't think either would agree to be veep for the other.

]]> By: kritt11 http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128823 kritt11 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:36:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128823 MJ Daniels- It would be interesting to see polling on how Obama fans would react if he chose the VP slot if offered by Sen Clinton. If they stuck with him, it could help push her over the top in the presidential race. For me, it would be the dream ticket because I like them both, and this destructive bickering would at last end. Their policy goals and political leanings are very similar, so the true test would be the public's reaction to the ticket, and Obama's ability to work with her. MJ Daniels- It would be interesting to see polling on how Obama fans would react if he chose the VP slot if offered by Sen Clinton. If they stuck with him, it could help push her over the top in the presidential race. For me, it would be the dream ticket because I like them both, and this destructive bickering would at last end. Their policy goals and political leanings are very similar, so the true test would be the public's reaction to the ticket, and Obama's ability to work with her.

]]> By: skippy http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128821 skippy Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:25:51 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128821 <i>obama’s greatest weakness entering the fall, especially if the economy improves,</i><br><br>ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.<br><br>tell us another good one. obama’s greatest weakness entering the fall, especially if the economy improves,

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha.

tell us another good one.

]]> By: MJDaniels53 http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128819 MJDaniels53 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:16:29 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128819 cosmoetica:<br>I agree with you.<br><br>Mark cosmoetica:
I agree with you.

Mark

]]> By: MJDaniels53 http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128817 MJDaniels53 Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:16:01 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128817 PS:<br>I think that it would be anything from politically risky to suicidal for Obama to take the vice presidential nomination on a ticket with Clinton. With her negatives, it's likely that Clinton will lose, meaning that whatever Obama might gain from the venture would not be offset by the supreme sense of disappointment his followers would have should he be on the same ticket with Clinton.<br><br>If such a ticket were to win, I can't see Hillary Clinton stepping aside after four years. It isn't in her nature.<br><br>If, under the remote circumstance that Clinton wins the nomination, I am sure that she would offer the second spot to Obama and he would be under intense pressure to take it. She needs him a lot more than he would need her.<br><br>Obama, like McCain, has appeal to people outside the traditional base of his party. But, as I have said of McCain, he need not, should he be the presidential nominee, look to shore up the Democratic base. The hardcore Dem base won't desert him any more than the Republican hardcore base will desert McCain. That means, he can pick a vice presidential running mate who helps him in other ways, particularly on nationa security. <br><br>Clinton at the top of the Democratic ticket helps the Republicans' admittedly problematic prospects for the fall. Clinton in the second spot is nearly as deadly for Democratic chances. She's poison and Obama will, I think, avoid being connected with her in any way this fall.<br><br>Mark PS:
I think that it would be anything from politically risky to suicidal for Obama to take the vice presidential nomination on a ticket with Clinton. With her negatives, it's likely that Clinton will lose, meaning that whatever Obama might gain from the venture would not be offset by the supreme sense of disappointment his followers would have should he be on the same ticket with Clinton.

If such a ticket were to win, I can't see Hillary Clinton stepping aside after four years. It isn't in her nature.

If, under the remote circumstance that Clinton wins the nomination, I am sure that she would offer the second spot to Obama and he would be under intense pressure to take it. She needs him a lot more than he would need her.

Obama, like McCain, has appeal to people outside the traditional base of his party. But, as I have said of McCain, he need not, should he be the presidential nominee, look to shore up the Democratic base. The hardcore Dem base won't desert him any more than the Republican hardcore base will desert McCain. That means, he can pick a vice presidential running mate who helps him in other ways, particularly on nationa security.

Clinton at the top of the Democratic ticket helps the Republicans' admittedly problematic prospects for the fall. Clinton in the second spot is nearly as deadly for Democratic chances. She's poison and Obama will, I think, avoid being connected with her in any way this fall.

Mark

]]> By: PaulSilver http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128815 PaulSilver Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:02:41 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128815 A fascinating speculation is what would the Clinton's and the Democratic Party have to offer Obama for him to take VP? <br>Perhaps Hillary agrees that she will step aside in four years. If Clinton is POTUS then she takes the heat for dealing with Iraq, Iran, Afganistan... She has to start the messy Health Reform process. She has to take on the Budget and immigration problems. Meanwhile Obama can be the point man for relatively easier missions: Energy reform, Environmental protection, Consumer protections, Education reforms. And ,as a alternative, a Supreme Court Seat. Also it could be Obama's mission to campaign for 2010 congressional seats and build political capital. A fascinating speculation is what would the Clinton's and the Democratic Party have to offer Obama for him to take VP?
Perhaps Hillary agrees that she will step aside in four years. If Clinton is POTUS then she takes the heat for dealing with Iraq, Iran, Afganistan… She has to start the messy Health Reform process. She has to take on the Budget and immigration problems. Meanwhile Obama can be the point man for relatively easier missions: Energy reform, Environmental protection, Consumer protections, Education reforms. And ,as a alternative, a Supreme Court Seat. Also it could be Obama's mission to campaign for 2010 congressional seats and build political capital.

]]> By: cosmoetica http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-128813 cosmoetica Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:34:36 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-128813 Agree. Not happening. Hill will have to settle for being the first female majority leader in a few years. Agree. Not happening. Hill will have to settle for being the first female majority leader in a few years.

]]> By: Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year · SmokeSignalz http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-111157 Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year · SmokeSignalz Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:17:55 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-111157 [...] The Brussels Journal | The Voice of Conservatism in Europe wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptObama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year March 9th, 2008 by MARK DANIELS It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week. So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate? There is a particular sense [...] [...] The Brussels Journal | The Voice of Conservatism in Europe wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptObama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year March 9th, 2008 by MARK DANIELS It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week. So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate? There is a particular sense [...]

]]> By: Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year · One Looking http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-111156 Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year · One Looking Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:05:14 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-111156 [...] The Brussels Journal | The Voice of Conservatism in Europe wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptObama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year March 9th, 2008 by MARK DANIELS It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week. So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate? There is a particular sense [...] [...] The Brussels Journal | The Voice of Conservatism in Europe wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptObama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year March 9th, 2008 by MARK DANIELS It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week. So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate? There is a particular sense [...]

]]> By: Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year · The Spin Doctor http://themoderatevoice.com/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/comment-page-1/#comment-111155 Obama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year · The Spin Doctor Sun, 09 Mar 2008 23:47:10 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/18300/obama-clinton-clinto-obama-not-this-year/#comment-111155 [...] The Brussels Journal | The Voice of Conservatism in Europe wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptObama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year March 9th, 2008 by MARK DANIELS It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week. So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate? There is a particular sense [...] [...] The Brussels Journal | The Voice of Conservatism in Europe wrote an interesting post today onHere’s a quick excerptObama-Clinton? Clinton-Obama? Not This Year March 9th, 2008 by MARK DANIELS It’s been the subject of speculation for weeks. Some pundits call it “the dream team.” Both Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton have been asked about it. And Bill Clinton pushed one version of it while stumping for his wife this week. So, how likely is it that once one of them has the Democratic nomination for president, that Obama or Clinton will ask the other to become their running mate? There is a particular sense [...]

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