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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144461</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.&quot;  I don&#039;t think the country voted for Hillary as co-President in either 1992 or 96.  Nor did she sit in cabinet meetings or have the same sort of access and working relationship to lawmakers, etc. as her husband.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Hillary wants to claim her years as First Lady as experience, then she should release he papers as First Lady.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other than the The Adoption and Safe Families Act and SCHIP legislation, what, exactly, did Hillary accomplish either as First Lady or as &quot;co-President&quot; in those eight years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.&#8221;  I don&#39;t think the country voted for Hillary as co-President in either 1992 or 96.  Nor did she sit in cabinet meetings or have the same sort of access and working relationship to lawmakers, etc. as her husband.</p>
<p>If Hillary wants to claim her years as First Lady as experience, then she should release he papers as First Lady.</p>
<p>Other than the The Adoption and Safe Families Act and SCHIP legislation, what, exactly, did Hillary accomplish either as First Lady or as &#8220;co-President&#8221; in those eight years?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144463</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 03:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.&quot;  I don&#039;t think the country voted for Hillary as co-President in either 1992 or 96.  Nor did she sit in cabinet meetings or have the same sort of access and working relationship to lawmakers, etc. as her husband.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Hillary wants to claim her years as First Lady as experience, then she should release he papers as First Lady.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Other than the The Adoption and Safe Families Act and SCHIP legislation, what, exactly, did Hillary accomplish either as First Lady or as &quot;co-President&quot; in those eight years?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.&#8221;  I don&#39;t think the country voted for Hillary as co-President in either 1992 or 96.  Nor did she sit in cabinet meetings or have the same sort of access and working relationship to lawmakers, etc. as her husband.</p>
<p>If Hillary wants to claim her years as First Lady as experience, then she should release he papers as First Lady.</p>
<p>Other than the The Adoption and Safe Families Act and SCHIP legislation, what, exactly, did Hillary accomplish either as First Lady or as &#8220;co-President&#8221; in those eight years?</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144460</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slam: I agree. There should be no formal announcements allowed until April ogf the year of the election, all the primaries in June, then the Cons, and then the General.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slam: I agree. There should be no formal announcements allowed until April ogf the year of the election, all the primaries in June, then the Cons, and then the General.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144462</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Mar 2008 00:56:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Slam: I agree. There should be no formal announcements allowed until April ogf the year of the election, all the primaries in June, then the Cons, and then the General.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Slam: I agree. There should be no formal announcements allowed until April ogf the year of the election, all the primaries in June, then the Cons, and then the General.</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144458</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would give good money for the primary season to be about 30 days long.  Or better yet, get them all done in one day.  Oh my god how is it possible we drag this crap out for this many months?  Like everyone didn&#039;t make up their minds sometime last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would give good money for the primary season to be about 30 days long.  Or better yet, get them all done in one day.  Oh my god how is it possible we drag this crap out for this many months?  Like everyone didn&#39;t make up their minds sometime last year.</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144459</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 22:42:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I would give good money for the primary season to be about 30 days long.  Or better yet, get them all done in one day.  Oh my god how is it possible we drag this crap out for this many months?  Like everyone didn&#039;t make up their minds sometime last year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I would give good money for the primary season to be about 30 days long.  Or better yet, get them all done in one day.  Oh my god how is it possible we drag this crap out for this many months?  Like everyone didn&#39;t make up their minds sometime last year.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144455</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS: Being told an executive secret or 3 as payback for infidelities does not qualify as experience, and the Dems who support Hill are not going anywhere on Obama- that&#039;s a dream. Or nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS: Being told an executive secret or 3 as payback for infidelities does not qualify as experience, and the Dems who support Hill are not going anywhere on Obama- that&#39;s a dream. Or nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144457</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 21:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DLS: Being told an executive secret or 3 as payback for infidelities does not qualify as experience, and the Dems who support Hill are not going anywhere on Obama- that&#039;s a dream. Or nightmare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DLS: Being told an executive secret or 3 as payback for infidelities does not qualify as experience, and the Dems who support Hill are not going anywhere on Obama- that&#39;s a dream. Or nightmare.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144454</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.  I suppose defense of her then can be the &quot;basis&quot; for denial of that fact now by Obama fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.  I suppose defense of her then can be the &#8220;basis&#8221; for denial of that fact now by Obama fans.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144456</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 19:00:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.  I suppose defense of her then can be the &quot;basis&quot; for denial of that fact now by Obama fans.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience.  I suppose defense of her then can be the &#8220;basis&#8221; for denial of that fact now by Obama fans.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144452</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2006 as well, what I originally intended to say...2008 is more Blue than 2006 the way things look (such as in Hastert&#039;s former district)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2006 as well, what I originally intended to say&#8230;2008 is more Blue than 2006 the way things look (such as in Hastert&#39;s former district)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144453</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:58:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>2006 as well, what I originally intended to say...2008 is more Blue than 2006 the way things look (such as in Hastert&#039;s former district)...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>2006 as well, what I originally intended to say&#8230;2008 is more Blue than 2006 the way things look (such as in Hastert&#39;s former district)&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144449</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1996 we&#039;ve seen Red blocs go Blue, and it appears more of this will happen this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1996 we&#39;ve seen Red blocs go Blue, and it appears more of this will happen this year.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144451</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 18:53:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1996 we&#039;ve seen Red blocs go Blue, and it appears more of this will happen this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1996 we&#39;ve seen Red blocs go Blue, and it appears more of this will happen this year.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSilver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144448</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulSilver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Andrew Sullivan&#039;s the Dish:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle,&quot; &lt;br&gt;- Kos commenter, Jsn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Andrew Sullivan&#39;s the Dish:</p>
<p>&#8220;Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle,&#8221; <br />- Kos commenter, Jsn.</p>
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		<title>By: PaulSilver</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144450</link>
		<dc:creator>PaulSilver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From Andrew Sullivan&#039;s the Dish:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle,&quot; &lt;br&gt;- Kos commenter, Jsn.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From Andrew Sullivan&#39;s the Dish:</p>
<p>&#8220;Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle,&#8221; <br />- Kos commenter, Jsn.</p>
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		<title>By: Half_Past_Midnight</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144447</link>
		<dc:creator>Half_Past_Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 05:13:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;I&#039;ll also remind people that executive experience doesn&#039;t guarantee success.  Look at Bush-&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It does when when it comes to getting elected.  What&#039;s that you say?  Bush was elected TWICE?  Yeah, let&#039;s take a &lt;i&gt;good look&lt;/i&gt; at that.  Obama has yet to be elected into office with his &quot;change&quot; and &quot;hope&quot; gravy train.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#39;ll also remind people that executive experience doesn&#39;t guarantee success.  Look at Bush-&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>It does when when it comes to getting elected.  What&#39;s that you say?  Bush was elected TWICE?  Yeah, let&#39;s take a <i>good look</i> at that.  Obama has yet to be elected into office with his &#8220;change&#8221; and &#8220;hope&#8221; gravy train.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144446</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 04:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;DQ-yes some white working class will not vote for Obama, but a lot do and will, &lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More than enough to swing more than one supposedly  safe Blue State, Red.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;if we let the basest (lowest) define us we are doomed to 50 more years of Bush/Clinton&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Too late we already have, the best we can get is another Bill Clinton. Where do you think all that filthy lucre required to win elections is coming from?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;They are the old style politicians and will do and say anything (as they have so clearly demonstrated) to get elected.&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Because Obama won&#039;t... Please...&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I am sure thats why he bashing NAFTA in Ohio and sending his emissary to Canada to let the Canadian Government know that it&#039;s just a show for the rubes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>DQ-yes some white working class will not vote for Obama, but a lot do and will, </p></blockquote>
<p>More than enough to swing more than one supposedly  safe Blue State, Red.</p>
<blockquote><p>if we let the basest (lowest) define us we are doomed to 50 more years of Bush/Clinton</p></blockquote>
<p>Too late we already have, the best we can get is another Bill Clinton. Where do you think all that filthy lucre required to win elections is coming from?</p>
<blockquote><p>They are the old style politicians and will do and say anything (as they have so clearly demonstrated) to get elected.</p></blockquote>
<p>Because Obama won&#39;t&#8230; Please&#8230;</p>
<p>I am sure thats why he bashing NAFTA in Ohio and sending his emissary to Canada to let the Canadian Government know that it&#39;s just a show for the rubes.</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18297/on-the-state-of-things/comment-page-1/#comment-144445</link>
		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 03:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Obama has no executive experience, either way. He is not ready to run a country.&quot;  Oh puhleeze... give it up.... neither do McCain nor Hillary.  In fact Obama was way more experience in elected office than Hillary.  Hillary, as most people apparently have forgotten just woke up one day and decided to move to NY to run for the open US Senate seat, which she got because her hubby was prez.  Now she had some good positions, but so do a lot of people.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama, on the other hand, worked his way up the hard way through politics.  He wasn&#039;t married to anyone with political connections, nor did he come from a political family.  Obama made his way up through hard work, intelligence and good judgement.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;ll also remind people that executive experience doesn&#039;t guarantee success.  Look at Bush- he ran a couple OIL companies in TX into bankruptcy, he was governor of a huge state and when he became prez he had more executive experience than one could hope for.  Yet we see where we are now.... a country $10 trillion in debt, embroiled in a war that he CHOOSE to get us into, and he supports torture (and because he has a lot of followers, a lot of Americans in this country find torture to be acceptable).  The Republicans seem to think all this is fine, but then they spent millions to impeach Bill Clinton because of a consensual relationship he had with an intern.  Can&#039;t this country get its priorities in order?  McCain promises to be an extension of Bush.... until the general, when he will change his position to appeal to a broader audience.... and then when he gets into office, McCain will do as he pleases and no one knows what that will be because he is a political chameleon.  Just like Clinton.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama, on the other hand has been consistent in his positions and has shown to be a far more capable leader than Bush, Clinton, and McCain.  Obama is pretty steady in his beliefs and has stood up for what he believed is right.  Tell me that you can say the same about Bush and McCain (both support torture) or Hillary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So go ahead and elect Hillary or McCain, but don&#039;t whine when they are President and do things they were against on the campaign trail.  They are the old  style politicians and will do and say anything (as they have so clearly demonstrated) to get elected.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you are going to use the Obama doesn&#039;t have executive experience and so won&#039;t make a good president&quot; argument, then you&#039;re including McCain and Hillary in that statement, too.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Obama has no executive experience, either way. He is not ready to run a country.&#8221;  Oh puhleeze&#8230; give it up&#8230;. neither do McCain nor Hillary.  In fact Obama was way more experience in elected office than Hillary.  Hillary, as most people apparently have forgotten just woke up one day and decided to move to NY to run for the open US Senate seat, which she got because her hubby was prez.  Now she had some good positions, but so do a lot of people.</p>
<p>Obama, on the other hand, worked his way up the hard way through politics.  He wasn&#39;t married to anyone with political connections, nor did he come from a political family.  Obama made his way up through hard work, intelligence and good judgement.  </p>
<p>I&#39;ll also remind people that executive experience doesn&#39;t guarantee success.  Look at Bush- he ran a couple OIL companies in TX into bankruptcy, he was governor of a huge state and when he became prez he had more executive experience than one could hope for.  Yet we see where we are now&#8230;. a country $10 trillion in debt, embroiled in a war that he CHOOSE to get us into, and he supports torture (and because he has a lot of followers, a lot of Americans in this country find torture to be acceptable).  The Republicans seem to think all this is fine, but then they spent millions to impeach Bill Clinton because of a consensual relationship he had with an intern.  Can&#39;t this country get its priorities in order?  McCain promises to be an extension of Bush&#8230;. until the general, when he will change his position to appeal to a broader audience&#8230;. and then when he gets into office, McCain will do as he pleases and no one knows what that will be because he is a political chameleon.  Just like Clinton.</p>
<p>Obama, on the other hand has been consistent in his positions and has shown to be a far more capable leader than Bush, Clinton, and McCain.  Obama is pretty steady in his beliefs and has stood up for what he believed is right.  Tell me that you can say the same about Bush and McCain (both support torture) or Hillary.</p>
<p>So go ahead and elect Hillary or McCain, but don&#39;t whine when they are President and do things they were against on the campaign trail.  They are the old  style politicians and will do and say anything (as they have so clearly demonstrated) to get elected.</p>
<p>If you are going to use the Obama doesn&#39;t have executive experience and so won&#39;t make a good president&#8221; argument, then you&#39;re including McCain and Hillary in that statement, too.</p>
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		<title>By: Half_Past_Midnight</title>
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		<dc:creator>Half_Past_Midnight</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 02:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holly is right about what will happen to the Dems if Obama wins.  DQ, however, is right about how voters really think.  Obama has no executive experience, either way.  He is not ready to run a country.  Good luck with that Obama &quot;change&quot; and &quot;hope&quot; thing, because I know it&#039;s all about the catch phrase.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holly is right about what will happen to the Dems if Obama wins.  DQ, however, is right about how voters really think.  Obama has no executive experience, either way.  He is not ready to run a country.  Good luck with that Obama &#8220;change&#8221; and &#8220;hope&#8221; thing, because I know it&#39;s all about the catch phrase.</p>
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