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On the State of Things

Well, the campaign continues. Back in January, I never would have thought that the Obama-Clinton race would have gone on this long. Iowa was a mere eight weeks ago, and there are now about six and a half weeks left before the next big contest in Pennsylvania on 22 April. Seems unbelievable when it’s put like that, doesn’t it?

My discomfort with the Clinton campaign continues to grow more intense. Their “kitchen sink” strategy against Senator Obama is disheartening, and their particularly devious new tactics (floating the “dream ticket” idea and denigrating Obama’s qualifications in very offensive ways) are extremely troubling.

This week Hillary Clinton began using a very dangerous line: “Senator McCain has a lifetime of experience, I have a lifetime of experience, Senator Obama has one speech in 2002″ and various derivations of the same. Video here. She continued: “I think that since we now know Sen. (John) McCain will be the nominee for the Republican Party, national security will be front and center in this election. We all know that. And I think it’s imperative that each of us be able to demonstrate we can cross the commander-in-chief threshold. I believe that I’ve done that. Certainly, Sen. McCain has done that and you’ll have to ask Sen. Obama with respect to his candidacy.”

To completely dismiss Senator Obama’s entire career in that way is, frankly, beneath even the dignity of a Clinton.

Somehow Hillary Clinton gets away with claiming “35 years of experience” (that’s everything since she was 25 years old) when in reality she has been in the Senate since 2001 and before that spent eight years as First Lady (where her one attempt at policy-making failed in legendarily spectacular fashion). Given the choice, I would much rather have someone with Obama’s life experiences and track record in the White House.

This line of attack is not only dishonest and unfair, it also doesn’t jive with the “dream ticket” theory Bill and Hillary Clinton have been pushing hard in Mississippi – if they don’t believe Senator Obama is qualified to be president, they certainly wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) want him on the ticket as vice president. And by all traditional calculations it makes no sense to put Clinton and Obama together anyway (two liberal senators, both non-white-males, both from safe Democratic states … it’s a recipe for disaster). The Clintons know this – the line is just a tactic to try and winnow off potential Obama supporters, and I hope the voters in Mississippi and other states will see right through it and vote to put Obama at the top of the ticket.

The other totally specious argument being made by the Clinton campaign and its surrogates is the “big state” line. Yes, Senator Clinton won the primaries in California, Ohio, New York (her current home state), Florida (where they didn’t campaign), Michigan (where Obama’s name wasn’t on the ballot) and is currently ahead in Pennsylvania. But obviously Obama would be just as competitive in those states in November, and probably more so through his demonstrated ability to draw Republicans (like me) and independents who might be (also like me) disinclined to support Clinton under any circumstances.

We’ve got a long way to go, and there’s much campaigning left to endure. But I say to all voters in states where contests have yet to be held (and, I guess, all super-delegates too), think about what you’re doing. Think seriously about these questions: Which candidate will be able to bring the country together instead of ripping it apart? Who will be most able to run a respectable, honest and uplifting campaign against Senator McCain? Who will be able to make the most states competitive in the fall? Who will be able to inspire a new generation of voters and get them to the polls? Who will be able to offer a new way forward instead of the same old song?

  • cosmoetica
    Relax:

    1) O has a delegate lead
    2) O has about a 6-700k popular vote lead
    3) there is no way Hillary will be able to make either deficit up
    4) she will end up, at best, down 120 or so delegates, and down 500k+ votes
    5) that's at best
    6) the Dems will not commit hari-kiri by pulling a Bush 2000 and selecting Hillary
    7 because the Obamaheads wd walk, and Big Mac would kill Hill the Chill
    8) because O will not take a VP slot when he shd be the #1 guy
    9) black people would pull a Rodney King if the first black Prez candidate w a real shot at winning is screwed
    10) Obama is more electable because he can win in states Hillary cannot
    11) because Hillary is eking out wins in the traditional Dem strongholds
    12) but O is blowing her out in Red states
    13) therefore, Hill's campaign against Mac wd be a defensive one cuz no red state will go blue for her
    14) because she has no appeal to Indies
    15) while O does appeal to Indies more than Mac
    16) and O draws Rep voters, while Hill does not
    17) therefore a Mac-O matchup would put Mac on the defensive and O on the offensive
    18) because O can win Red states
    19) and he's done this all by actually living up to his promise not to fight dirty
    20) where Hill only has dirt left and will lose fairly.
  • StockBoySF
    Thanks, Jeremy- great post.

    Cosmo- thanks, too! But I'm not too sure about your #17 (O is on the offensive and Mac is on the defensive). I think M has shown his willingness to be offensive (pun intended) and will be even more on the offensive to lure moderates away from O in the red states. Besides, a huge part of O's support is his ability to appeal to Dems, Repubs and independents. I think if O were going on the offensive in a O-M race, O would lose some of that support. But then again, maybe my idea of being on the offensive in countering one's opponents is different than what you mean.

    Anyway I couldn't agree with you more on the other points and I like the way you laid them out, too.
  • cosmoetica
    Stockboy: I meant Offense and defense not in specific charges but in having to defend states. O can eat into Mac's strobghold but there are few blue states that will go for him, esp. we his pro-war stance. A Hill-Mac match is a stalemate with the 2 battling over 5 or 6 states to decide it. Indies give Mac an edge and means Hillw d have to campaign more in blue states.

    O, however, would have the Indy cushion, and could campaign in Red states that Mac would gave to defend, because he won't eat into the blue base if O is the guy.
  • StockBoySF
    Cosmo- thanks for the clarification. I'm dense today. Yes, I agree- in an O-M race, M will have to fight for territory that would usually be safely in his corner.

    I think in a H-M match that M would prevail. In a H-M match-up, M enters with the best of both worlds. M has much of the appeal of O (both O and M appeal to moderates whereas too many people find Hillary divisive) and M has waaay more experience than H. In order for H to win against M, she really has to go negative and push M's buttons. Let's face it, M is not very pretty when he has his buttons pushed.... Which attacks would also make Hillary look like the divisive person she is, which would turn a lot of former O supporters off from voting at all. (O, on the other hand seemed to shed H's attacks like water- at least in the OH debate.)

    Also you mentioned that in a H-M race, H would have to campaign more in blue states. I totally agree. And it's another reason she would lose the general election- H will need the support of some red states to win the presidency. She won't win that support if she's busy defending her "home" turf. Those 5-6 states that you mention would more than likely go to M (assuming M can come across as reasonable and not let H's attacks get under his skin).
  • Holly_in_Cincinnati
    DQ - we've received complaints about your last comment and it will be deleted.
  • Don Quijote
    DQ - we've received complaints about your last comment and it will be deleted.

    Truly unfortunate, but does not invalidate my point.

    Once the White Working Class realizes that their choice is between a Republican and an African-American, they will vote for the Republican.
  • cosmoetica
    Wow, Don Q went more negative than Holly? That's an accomplishment!
  • Kathryn
    Jeremy, great to see you! I still check out Charging RINO and I am really glad to see you doing some posts. I am also glad to see your posts that are giving Obama a fair hearing. Have you checked out the Republicans for Obama site?

    Regards,
    Kathryn
    DQ-yes some white working class will not vote for Obama, but a lot do and will, if we let the basest (lowest) define us we are doomed to 50 more years of Bush/Clinton
  • Half_Past_Midnight
    Holly is right about what will happen to the Dems if Obama wins. DQ, however, is right about how voters really think. Obama has no executive experience, either way. He is not ready to run a country. Good luck with that Obama "change" and "hope" thing, because I know it's all about the catch phrase.
  • StockBoySF
    "Obama has no executive experience, either way. He is not ready to run a country." Oh puhleeze... give it up.... neither do McCain nor Hillary. In fact Obama was way more experience in elected office than Hillary. Hillary, as most people apparently have forgotten just woke up one day and decided to move to NY to run for the open US Senate seat, which she got because her hubby was prez. Now she had some good positions, but so do a lot of people.

    Obama, on the other hand, worked his way up the hard way through politics. He wasn't married to anyone with political connections, nor did he come from a political family. Obama made his way up through hard work, intelligence and good judgement.

    I'll also remind people that executive experience doesn't guarantee success. Look at Bush- he ran a couple OIL companies in TX into bankruptcy, he was governor of a huge state and when he became prez he had more executive experience than one could hope for. Yet we see where we are now.... a country $10 trillion in debt, embroiled in a war that he CHOOSE to get us into, and he supports torture (and because he has a lot of followers, a lot of Americans in this country find torture to be acceptable). The Republicans seem to think all this is fine, but then they spent millions to impeach Bill Clinton because of a consensual relationship he had with an intern. Can't this country get its priorities in order? McCain promises to be an extension of Bush.... until the general, when he will change his position to appeal to a broader audience.... and then when he gets into office, McCain will do as he pleases and no one knows what that will be because he is a political chameleon. Just like Clinton.

    Obama, on the other hand has been consistent in his positions and has shown to be a far more capable leader than Bush, Clinton, and McCain. Obama is pretty steady in his beliefs and has stood up for what he believed is right. Tell me that you can say the same about Bush and McCain (both support torture) or Hillary.

    So go ahead and elect Hillary or McCain, but don't whine when they are President and do things they were against on the campaign trail. They are the old style politicians and will do and say anything (as they have so clearly demonstrated) to get elected.

    If you are going to use the Obama doesn't have executive experience and so won't make a good president" argument, then you're including McCain and Hillary in that statement, too.
  • Don Quijote

    DQ-yes some white working class will not vote for Obama, but a lot do and will,


    More than enough to swing more than one supposedly safe Blue State, Red.


    if we let the basest (lowest) define us we are doomed to 50 more years of Bush/Clinton


    Too late we already have, the best we can get is another Bill Clinton. Where do you think all that filthy lucre required to win elections is coming from?


    They are the old style politicians and will do and say anything (as they have so clearly demonstrated) to get elected.


    Because Obama won't... Please...

    I am sure thats why he bashing NAFTA in Ohio and sending his emissary to Canada to let the Canadian Government know that it's just a show for the rubes.
  • Half_Past_Midnight
    "I'll also remind people that executive experience doesn't guarantee success. Look at Bush-"


    It does when when it comes to getting elected. What's that you say? Bush was elected TWICE? Yeah, let's take a good look at that. Obama has yet to be elected into office with his "change" and "hope" gravy train.
  • PaulSilver
    From Andrew Sullivan's the Dish:

    "Saying that Hillary has Executive Branch experience is like saying Yoko Ono was a Beatle,"
    - Kos commenter, Jsn.
  • DLS
    In 1996 we've seen Red blocs go Blue, and it appears more of this will happen this year.
  • DLS
    2006 as well, what I originally intended to say...2008 is more Blue than 2006 the way things look (such as in Hastert's former district)...
  • DLS
    Actually, Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience. I suppose defense of her then can be the "basis" for denial of that fact now by Obama fans.
  • cosmoetica
    DLS: Being told an executive secret or 3 as payback for infidelities does not qualify as experience, and the Dems who support Hill are not going anywhere on Obama- that's a dream. Or nightmare.
  • Slamfu
    I would give good money for the primary season to be about 30 days long. Or better yet, get them all done in one day. Oh my god how is it possible we drag this crap out for this many months? Like everyone didn't make up their minds sometime last year.
  • cosmoetica
    Slam: I agree. There should be no formal announcements allowed until April ogf the year of the election, all the primaries in June, then the Cons, and then the General.
  • StockBoySF
    "Hillary Clinton had eight years of co-Presidential experience." I don't think the country voted for Hillary as co-President in either 1992 or 96. Nor did she sit in cabinet meetings or have the same sort of access and working relationship to lawmakers, etc. as her husband.

    If Hillary wants to claim her years as First Lady as experience, then she should release he papers as First Lady.

    Other than the The Adoption and Safe Families Act and SCHIP legislation, what, exactly, did Hillary accomplish either as First Lady or as "co-President" in those eight years?
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