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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 15:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;But one thing is certain: the timing of the report — coming right before the Ohio primary — seemed a bit smelly.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Since the candidates made NAFTA an Ohio issue prior to Naftaquiddick, you may speculate it was smelly, but it seems to me to be rather relevant timing. Why should they be afraid of the issue? Why should they deny/hedge/manipulate on their positions. Why couldn&#039;t Obama have taken 5 minutes, asked Goolsbee what he said, and then respond factually to the press along with a clear reiteration of his NAFTA position.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If there is doubt as to what his position is, why can&#039;t he just say it again himself.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This constant drip, drip, drip is going to take its toll.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But one thing is certain: the timing of the report — coming right before the Ohio primary — seemed a bit smelly.&#8221;</p>
<p>Since the candidates made NAFTA an Ohio issue prior to Naftaquiddick, you may speculate it was smelly, but it seems to me to be rather relevant timing. Why should they be afraid of the issue? Why should they deny/hedge/manipulate on their positions. Why couldn&#39;t Obama have taken 5 minutes, asked Goolsbee what he said, and then respond factually to the press along with a clear reiteration of his NAFTA position.</p>
<p>If there is doubt as to what his position is, why can&#39;t he just say it again himself.</p>
<p>This constant drip, drip, drip is going to take its toll.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 07:05:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elrod,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I re-read the article that Joe&#039;s post cites.  It says this about mis-characterization of Goolsbee&#039;s conversation:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Mr. Goolsbee insists the Canadian memo mischaracterized his position.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/National/home&quot;&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s NOT the same as the Canadian government saying that the conversation was mis-characterized.  I might have missed a more recent article.  If you have one in mind, please share the link so that I&#039;ll be better informed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elrod,</p>
<p>I re-read the article that Joe&#39;s post cites.  It says this about mis-characterization of Goolsbee&#39;s conversation:</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Goolsbee insists the Canadian memo mischaracterized his position.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/National/home">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT&#8230;</a></p>
<p>That&#39;s NOT the same as the Canadian government saying that the conversation was mis-characterized.  I might have missed a more recent article.  If you have one in mind, please share the link so that I&#39;ll be better informed.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 06:04:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elrod,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;the Canadian gov loves NAFTA, and it&#039;s scared senseless over the prospect of having greatly upset a possible U.S. president who might later try to re-negotiate NAFTA.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;What that government did was careless (even stupid).  It should never have let the Goolsbee memo float around, knowing that it could be damaging to a U.S. candidate.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In which article are Canadian officials quoted as stating that the consulate staffer had &quot;completely mischaracterized&quot; Goolsbee&#039;s end of the conversation?  And which article cites the Canadian government&#039;s saying that neither candidate offered reassurance over NAFTA?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elrod,</p>
<p>the Canadian gov loves NAFTA, and it&#39;s scared senseless over the prospect of having greatly upset a possible U.S. president who might later try to re-negotiate NAFTA.</p>
<p>What that government did was careless (even stupid).  It should never have let the Goolsbee memo float around, knowing that it could be damaging to a U.S. candidate.</p>
<p>In which article are Canadian officials quoted as stating that the consulate staffer had &#8220;completely mischaracterized&#8221; Goolsbee&#39;s end of the conversation?  And which article cites the Canadian government&#39;s saying that neither candidate offered reassurance over NAFTA?</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is it really as clear cut as the PM&#039;s aide v. the PM&#039;s spokesperson?  Brodie didn&#039;t make a definitive statement that HE (first hand) had talked with a Clinton Campaign person.  Below are a two paragraphs from the article you&#039;re referencing:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton&#039;s campaign is telling the &lt;b&gt;embassy&lt;/b&gt; to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;In other words, Brodie was stating second, third (or maybe tenth) hand that someone from Clinton&#039;s campaign had called the EMBASSY. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Still, we have a problem.  The Canadian gov hasn&#039;t yet provided a memo (and there should be one if Clinton&#039;s surrogate talked with diplomatic staff, which routinely memorializes such conversations).  Clinton publicly gave her permission for the Canadian government to publicly share any such memo, if it exists.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;There IS a memo summarizing the conversation with Goolsbee -- though the accuracy is questionable.  Inaccurate or not, before the memo came out, some people in Obama&#039;s campaign (NOT Obama) DENIED that the Goolsbee conversation had even taken place or (if it had taken place) that NAFTA had not come up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The memo (and Gooslbee&#039;s response to it) indicates that even if the Canadian staffer got some of the meat wrong, a conversation DID take place and NAFTA did come up. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the Canadians find a memo showing that Hillary had nudged and winked and deceived American voters about her NAFTA stance, I&#039;ll be front and center with the criticism -- not making excuses for the candidate&#039;s misleading double talk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>Is it really as clear cut as the PM&#39;s aide v. the PM&#39;s spokesperson?  Brodie didn&#39;t make a definitive statement that HE (first hand) had talked with a Clinton Campaign person.  Below are a two paragraphs from the article you&#39;re referencing:</p>
<p>&#8220;He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton&#39;s campaign is telling the <b>embassy</b> to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.&#8221;</p>
<p>In other words, Brodie was stating second, third (or maybe tenth) hand that someone from Clinton&#39;s campaign had called the EMBASSY. </p>
<p>Still, we have a problem.  The Canadian gov hasn&#39;t yet provided a memo (and there should be one if Clinton&#39;s surrogate talked with diplomatic staff, which routinely memorializes such conversations).  Clinton publicly gave her permission for the Canadian government to publicly share any such memo, if it exists.</p>
<p>There IS a memo summarizing the conversation with Goolsbee &#8212; though the accuracy is questionable.  Inaccurate or not, before the memo came out, some people in Obama&#39;s campaign (NOT Obama) DENIED that the Goolsbee conversation had even taken place or (if it had taken place) that NAFTA had not come up.</p>
<p>The memo (and Gooslbee&#39;s response to it) indicates that even if the Canadian staffer got some of the meat wrong, a conversation DID take place and NAFTA did come up. </p>
<p>If the Canadians find a memo showing that Hillary had nudged and winked and deceived American voters about her NAFTA stance, I&#39;ll be front and center with the criticism &#8212; not making excuses for the candidate&#39;s misleading double talk.</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:33:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t think the Canadian PMO is still insisting the wink-wink comments came from the Obama camp either.  The title of the article says only Obama offered a &quot;briefing,&quot; which refers to the Goulsbee memo. But the Canadians have already acknowledged that they completely mischaracterized Obama&#039;s and Goulsbee&#039; s position.  You might want to mention that in your original post, which now says, &quot;the Canadian Prime Minister’s office now insists the Clinton campaign didn’t give any private assurances on NAFTA, and it only came from the Obama camp.&quot; In fact, the Canadian PMO seems to be insisting now that private assurance came from no camp.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,<br />I don&#39;t think the Canadian PMO is still insisting the wink-wink comments came from the Obama camp either.  The title of the article says only Obama offered a &#8220;briefing,&#8221; which refers to the Goulsbee memo. But the Canadians have already acknowledged that they completely mischaracterized Obama&#39;s and Goulsbee&#39; s position.  You might want to mention that in your original post, which now says, &#8220;the Canadian Prime Minister’s office now insists the Clinton campaign didn’t give any private assurances on NAFTA, and it only came from the Obama camp.&#8221; In fact, the Canadian PMO seems to be insisting now that private assurance came from no camp.</p>
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		<title>By: Canadian Prime Minister’s Office Says Clinton Campaign Didn’t Give Private Assurances On NAFTA &#183; SmokeSignalz</title>
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		<dc:creator>Canadian Prime Minister’s Office Says Clinton Campaign Didn’t Give Private Assurances On NAFTA &#183; SmokeSignalz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:45:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Open Left wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptCanadian Prime Minister’s Office Says Clinton Campaign Didn’t Give Private Assurances On NAFTA March 7th, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN The see-saw narrative continues in Canada with possible continued implications to the politlcal campaign here: the Canadian Prime Minister’s office now insists the Clinton campaign didn’t give any private assurances on NAFTA, and it only came from the Obama camp: Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the futur [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Open Left wrote an interesting post today onHere&#8217;s a quick excerptCanadian Prime Minister’s Office Says Clinton Campaign Didn’t Give Private Assurances On NAFTA March 7th, 2008 by JOE GANDELMAN The see-saw narrative continues in Canada with possible continued implications to the politlcal campaign here: the Canadian Prime Minister’s office now insists the Clinton campaign didn’t give any private assurances on NAFTA, and it only came from the Obama camp: Democratic presidential hopeful Hillary Clinton never gave Canada any secret assurances about the futur [...]</p>
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