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	<title>Comments on: Report: Canada PM Aide Said Clinton Campaign Gave  Assurances On NAFTA</title>
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		<title>By: Marsh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marsh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 01:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nafta, the sequel &lt;a href=&quot;http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortune/easton_obama.fortune/&quot;&gt;http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortu...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama has decided Nafta&#039;s not so bad after all.  And about the campaign rhetoric he used in Ohio, just words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nafta, the sequel <a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortune/easton_obama.fortune/"></a><a href="http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortu.." rel="nofollow">http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/18/magazines/fortu..</a>.<br />Obama has decided Nafta&#39;s not so bad after all.  And about the campaign rhetoric he used in Ohio, just words.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 05:41:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Elrod, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t get what you&#039;re saying.  The memo wasn&#039;t from Goolsbee, it was about Goolsbee&#039;s conversation with a Canadian consulate staffer&#039;s boss.   The staffer memorialized it and the boss likely read it over and agreed that it was accurate before signing off on it (though I wasn&#039;t there). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I don&#039;t understand the scenario that you describe.  Brodie DIDN&#039;T say that HE got a call from Clinton.  Here are a few paragraphs from the Globe and Mail article that you are talking about:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;At the end of an extended conversation, Mr. Brodie was asked about remarks aimed by the Democratic candidates at Ohio&#039;s anti-NAFTA voters that carried serious economic implications for Canada.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Since 75 per cent of Canadian exports go to the U.S., Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton&#039;s musings about reopening the North American free-trade pact had caused some concern.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Mr. Brodie downplayed those concerns.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Quite a few people heard it,&#039; said one source in the room.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton&#039;s campaign is telling the &lt;b&gt;embassy&lt;/b&gt; to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/National/home&quot;&gt;http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Elrod, </p>
<p>I don&#39;t get what you&#39;re saying.  The memo wasn&#39;t from Goolsbee, it was about Goolsbee&#39;s conversation with a Canadian consulate staffer&#39;s boss.   The staffer memorialized it and the boss likely read it over and agreed that it was accurate before signing off on it (though I wasn&#39;t there). </p>
<p>I don&#39;t understand the scenario that you describe.  Brodie DIDN&#39;T say that HE got a call from Clinton.  Here are a few paragraphs from the Globe and Mail article that you are talking about:</p>
<p>&#8220;At the end of an extended conversation, Mr. Brodie was asked about remarks aimed by the Democratic candidates at Ohio&#39;s anti-NAFTA voters that carried serious economic implications for Canada.</p>
<p>&#8220;Since 75 per cent of Canadian exports go to the U.S., Mr. Obama and Ms. Clinton&#39;s musings about reopening the North American free-trade pact had caused some concern.</p>
<p>&#8220;Mr. Brodie downplayed those concerns.</p>
<p>&#8220;Quite a few people heard it,&#39; said one source in the room.</p>
<p>&#8220;He said someone from (Hillary) Clinton&#39;s campaign is telling the <b>embassy</b> to take it with a grain of salt. . . That someone called us and told us not to worry.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Government officials did not deny the conversation took place.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080307.wnaftagate0307/BNStory/National/home"></a><a href="http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT.." rel="nofollow">http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RT..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: chyrelle53</title>
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		<dc:creator>chyrelle53</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 04:59:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happened to this story?  Why was the smear done on Obama all over the news, but this disappeared within a couple of hours?  Does the corporate media have anything to do with it - the same ones who contribute to Hillary&#039;s campaign?  &lt;br&gt;I too am sickened by the hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign.  She really learned the wrong lessons from the Bush years.  I am saddened that my Democratic party, that I hoped was a little more ethical than the other side, is being dragged into the mud (to borrow Al Gore&#039;s phrase).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happened to this story?  Why was the smear done on Obama all over the news, but this disappeared within a couple of hours?  Does the corporate media have anything to do with it &#8211; the same ones who contribute to Hillary&#39;s campaign?  <br />I too am sickened by the hypocrisy of the Clinton campaign.  She really learned the wrong lessons from the Bush years.  I am saddened that my Democratic party, that I hoped was a little more ethical than the other side, is being dragged into the mud (to borrow Al Gore&#39;s phrase).</p>
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		<title>By: elrod</title>
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		<dc:creator>elrod</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:26:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But the memo doesn&#039;t say what Clinton claims it says. The real memo from Goulsbee was that Obama would change environmental and labor issues in NAFTA - something he&#039;s said on the campaign trail too. It never said that Obama was just winking at changing NAFTA for political consumption and had no intention of following up.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Think about what happened here. Ian Brodie gets a call from a Clinton campaign official saying &quot;Don&#039;t listen to the anti-NAFTA stuff. It&#039;s all just politics.&quot; Brodie mentions the call to a bunch of people. CTV picks up on it and seeks confirmation. Clinton denies it. So CTV seeks Obama&#039;s position, which also challenges NAFTA. A Canadian consul seeks Obama&#039;s economic adviser in Chicago for comment. Goulsbee answers the Canadian consulate&#039;s request and reiterates Obama&#039;s stated position. The consul tells somebody in Harper&#039;s government that Obama was just winking on NAFTA and didn&#039;t really want to change it - or somebody took the consul&#039;s remarks and remade them into the &quot;wink.&quot; The Harper government released the fraudulent &quot;transcription&quot; of Goulsbee&#039;s remarks, and CTV runs with the story. After Goulsbee calls CTV and says, &quot;Wait a minute, I never said that,&quot; CTV, CBC and the Canadian opposition investigate. Within a day Harper himself admits the &quot;memo&quot; was a fraud, and was illegal for meddling in a US election. But for that first day, when CTV ran the story, Obama had no idea that CTV was going to run a fraudulent Goulsbee memo as fact. So he was caught off-guard, and that&#039;s when Hillary (and McCain) pounced.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;This was a disgusting display of media fraud, foreign meddling in our elections, shameless hypocrisy, and dishonesty on the part of the Harper government, CTV and most likely the Clinton campaign. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I hope Brodie goes public with the Clinton campaign official. I&#039;d love to hear the denials then.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But the memo doesn&#39;t say what Clinton claims it says. The real memo from Goulsbee was that Obama would change environmental and labor issues in NAFTA &#8211; something he&#39;s said on the campaign trail too. It never said that Obama was just winking at changing NAFTA for political consumption and had no intention of following up.</p>
<p>Think about what happened here. Ian Brodie gets a call from a Clinton campaign official saying &#8220;Don&#39;t listen to the anti-NAFTA stuff. It&#39;s all just politics.&#8221; Brodie mentions the call to a bunch of people. CTV picks up on it and seeks confirmation. Clinton denies it. So CTV seeks Obama&#39;s position, which also challenges NAFTA. A Canadian consul seeks Obama&#39;s economic adviser in Chicago for comment. Goulsbee answers the Canadian consulate&#39;s request and reiterates Obama&#39;s stated position. The consul tells somebody in Harper&#39;s government that Obama was just winking on NAFTA and didn&#39;t really want to change it &#8211; or somebody took the consul&#39;s remarks and remade them into the &#8220;wink.&#8221; The Harper government released the fraudulent &#8220;transcription&#8221; of Goulsbee&#39;s remarks, and CTV runs with the story. After Goulsbee calls CTV and says, &#8220;Wait a minute, I never said that,&#8221; CTV, CBC and the Canadian opposition investigate. Within a day Harper himself admits the &#8220;memo&#8221; was a fraud, and was illegal for meddling in a US election. But for that first day, when CTV ran the story, Obama had no idea that CTV was going to run a fraudulent Goulsbee memo as fact. So he was caught off-guard, and that&#39;s when Hillary (and McCain) pounced.  </p>
<p>This was a disgusting display of media fraud, foreign meddling in our elections, shameless hypocrisy, and dishonesty on the part of the Harper government, CTV and most likely the Clinton campaign. </p>
<p>I hope Brodie goes public with the Clinton campaign official. I&#39;d love to hear the denials then.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The ALLEGATION might have been aimed at Clinton, but the MEMO (i.e., the evidence) spotlighted Obama.  When the Canadian government shows us a memo re:  a conversation with Clinton (which it might still do), then we&#039;ll have something to chew on.  Right now, there&#039;s nothing substantiated.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe,</p>
<p>The ALLEGATION might have been aimed at Clinton, but the MEMO (i.e., the evidence) spotlighted Obama.  When the Canadian government shows us a memo re:  a conversation with Clinton (which it might still do), then we&#39;ll have something to chew on.  Right now, there&#39;s nothing substantiated.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m fascinated that no one has commented on this post. I thought this was going to be one of those 42 comment posts where first Obama supporters jump in attacking Clinton, Clinton supporters respond with name-calling of Obama supporters, and then a brawl ensues.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Guess not. Doesn&#039;t bode well for Obama. If no one cares about this version of the story, then Obama is left with last week&#039;s narrative as the complete one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;m fascinated that no one has commented on this post. I thought this was going to be one of those 42 comment posts where first Obama supporters jump in attacking Clinton, Clinton supporters respond with name-calling of Obama supporters, and then a brawl ensues.</p>
<p>Guess not. Doesn&#39;t bode well for Obama. If no one cares about this version of the story, then Obama is left with last week&#39;s narrative as the complete one.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 18:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, the supporter response of both camps is obvious.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you like Clinton, 1) suddenly, this is no big deal and does not reveal anything significant about honesty and pandering, and 2) it&#039;s more important to talk about Obama in this matter, because he says he&#039;s a new kind of politician, while we know that Clinton panders and lies as a traditional politician (though it won&#039;t be put exactly that way). This will recall the arguments that it&#039;s okay for Clinton to borrow phrases in a speech, while it&#039;s not for Obama, because people think Obama&#039;s a good speaker and we know Clinton&#039;s a lousy one (unfair to Clinton). Finally, 3) while there was no need to wait for proof for the charges against Obama, there will suddenly be a need to wait for more information now. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On the Obama side, suddenly supporters will declare that 1) this shows there&#039;s a clear Clinton bias in the Press (see Sullivan&#039;s quote), 2) for some, suddenly these assurances will reveal something about the candidate&#039;s personality, and 3) while further evidence was needed before concluding what happened with Obama, this single article will now be plenty of evidence against Clinton.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;With all that out of the way, the Clinton campaign will need to take a huge hypocrisy pill for accusing the Obama camp (recall the &quot;breaking news&quot; ad from the Clinton campaign that Joe linked to a couple days ago) of something they themselves did (possibly).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, the supporter response of both camps is obvious.</p>
<p>If you like Clinton, 1) suddenly, this is no big deal and does not reveal anything significant about honesty and pandering, and 2) it&#39;s more important to talk about Obama in this matter, because he says he&#39;s a new kind of politician, while we know that Clinton panders and lies as a traditional politician (though it won&#39;t be put exactly that way). This will recall the arguments that it&#39;s okay for Clinton to borrow phrases in a speech, while it&#39;s not for Obama, because people think Obama&#39;s a good speaker and we know Clinton&#39;s a lousy one (unfair to Clinton). Finally, 3) while there was no need to wait for proof for the charges against Obama, there will suddenly be a need to wait for more information now. </p>
<p>On the Obama side, suddenly supporters will declare that 1) this shows there&#39;s a clear Clinton bias in the Press (see Sullivan&#39;s quote), 2) for some, suddenly these assurances will reveal something about the candidate&#39;s personality, and 3) while further evidence was needed before concluding what happened with Obama, this single article will now be plenty of evidence against Clinton.</p>
<p>With all that out of the way, the Clinton campaign will need to take a huge hypocrisy pill for accusing the Obama camp (recall the &#8220;breaking news&#8221; ad from the Clinton campaign that Joe linked to a couple days ago) of something they themselves did (possibly).</p>
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		<title>By: Report: Canada PM Aide Said Clinton Campaign Gave Assurances On NAFTA</title>
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		<dc:creator>Report: Canada PM Aide Said Clinton Campaign Gave Assurances On NAFTA</dc:creator>
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