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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18181/hillary-should-keep-fighting-heres-why/comment-page-1/#comment-151417</link>
		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 13:55:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dam: COSMO: Coming from you, I take that as a compliment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And therein lies your problem.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dam: COSMO: Coming from you, I take that as a compliment.</p>
<p>And therein lies your problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/18181/hillary-should-keep-fighting-heres-why/comment-page-1/#comment-151416</link>
		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 08:08:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABA23,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Of the 795 un-pledged delegates, 258 are congressmen, and 27 are governors.  Some may not want to vote differently from their constituents, and some won&#039;t care.  I don&#039;t know the breakdown.  Then there are 411 &quot;DNC members&quot;: I don&#039;t know how many are elected state or local officials.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;All of that adds up to a major wild card in terms of the total-delegate count -- which is another reason I think it&#039;s premature for party big-wigs or Obama&#039;s campaign to call for Hillary to drop out now.  Also, 23 are district party leaders and 76 are &quot;add-ons.&quot;  I don&#039;t know what those last two categories mean.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The mere existence of un-pledged delegates suggests that the system is , by its nature, not 100% democratic (if they were dolled out proportionately, there&#039;d be no point in having them).  In short, I don&#039;t think the aim of un-pledged delegates is necessarily to directly reflect the pledged-delegate breakdown.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The democratic element in the equation is that the pledged delegates number about twice as many as the un-pledged ones.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I&#039;m NOT saying that I agree with this, just describing it.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama has a good argument re: pledged delegates.  Clinton has a good argument about having won more big states, because they tend to be more important in November.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Dems from larger states feel  &quot;cheated&quot; by party bigwigs and operatives (un-pledged delegates), I suspect they&#039;ll take it out on the party.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I could be wrong [I&#039;m shrugging now.]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABA23,</p>
<p>Of the 795 un-pledged delegates, 258 are congressmen, and 27 are governors.  Some may not want to vote differently from their constituents, and some won&#39;t care.  I don&#39;t know the breakdown.  Then there are 411 &#8220;DNC members&#8221;: I don&#39;t know how many are elected state or local officials.  </p>
<p>All of that adds up to a major wild card in terms of the total-delegate count &#8212; which is another reason I think it&#39;s premature for party big-wigs or Obama&#39;s campaign to call for Hillary to drop out now.  Also, 23 are district party leaders and 76 are &#8220;add-ons.&#8221;  I don&#39;t know what those last two categories mean.</p>
<p>The mere existence of un-pledged delegates suggests that the system is , by its nature, not 100% democratic (if they were dolled out proportionately, there&#39;d be no point in having them).  In short, I don&#39;t think the aim of un-pledged delegates is necessarily to directly reflect the pledged-delegate breakdown.  </p>
<p>The democratic element in the equation is that the pledged delegates number about twice as many as the un-pledged ones.</p>
<p>I&#39;m NOT saying that I agree with this, just describing it.</p>
<p>Obama has a good argument re: pledged delegates.  Clinton has a good argument about having won more big states, because they tend to be more important in November.  </p>
<p>If Dems from larger states feel  &#8220;cheated&#8221; by party bigwigs and operatives (un-pledged delegates), I suspect they&#39;ll take it out on the party.</p>
<p>I could be wrong [I&#39;m shrugging now.]</p>
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		<title>By: DAMOZEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAMOZEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 07:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>COSMO:  Coming from you, I take that as a compliment.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>COSMO:  Coming from you, I take that as a compliment.</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Hillary Should Keep Fighting; Here’s Why finance</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 04:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: aba23</title>
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		<dc:creator>aba23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:52:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cupples, all you say is true.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But nobody is going to &quot;push&quot; her out of the race. No one has that power, except perhaps a united cohort of superdelegates. If, as you posit, party leaders attempted to do so (before writing were clearly on the wall), that would indeed (and rightly) not be taken lightly by her supporters. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Stray voices from the punditocracy as always are not going to influence anyone to do anything. It is her decision, but a good part of this judgment call, their argument goes, has to be based on a bigger picture and a long-range view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cupples, all you say is true.</p>
<p>But nobody is going to &#8220;push&#8221; her out of the race. No one has that power, except perhaps a united cohort of superdelegates. If, as you posit, party leaders attempted to do so (before writing were clearly on the wall), that would indeed (and rightly) not be taken lightly by her supporters. </p>
<p>Stray voices from the punditocracy as always are not going to influence anyone to do anything. It is her decision, but a good part of this judgment call, their argument goes, has to be based on a bigger picture and a long-range view.</p>
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		<title>By: woodnsoul</title>
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		<dc:creator>woodnsoul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 03:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You know, I didn&#039;t see it that way.  I think the comment could easily be interpreted as racist.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I think a really good example of negativity turned positive is the Red Phone commercial.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I really don&#039;t like fear mongering and think HRC is doing a lot of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, I didn&#39;t see it that way.  I think the comment could easily be interpreted as racist.</p>
<p>I think a really good example of negativity turned positive is the Red Phone commercial.  </p>
<p>I really don&#39;t like fear mongering and think HRC is doing a lot of it.</p>
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		<title>By: right pundits</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 02:26:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Indeed, the current crop of conservative talk-show pundits and bloggers are, ...www.indystar.comHillary Should Keep Fighting Here??s Why - The Moderate Voice... and sundry media pundits that Hillary should just admit that Obama is the better candidate and [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:50:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aba23, &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Pushing Hillary out before Pennsylvania might help the party in one sense, but it could tear the party apart on another front.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Some Hillary supporters will downright resent the party (some will even resent Obama) if the party pushes her out when it SEEMS that she might still have a chance. (Remember, most voters aren’t familiar with “delegate math.”) &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The calls for Hillary to drop out (Jonathan Alter advised her to do it BEFORE TX/OH) already remind some Dems of Bush&#039;s tactics here in Fla during the 2000 recount: essentially, &quot;Gore -- give up, move on, and let me have an easy win.&quot;  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s expected from Bush/Rove, but it&#039;s NOT what Dems are supposed to be about.  If the party appears to do that to Hillary, it could create a whole new wave of Independents.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Remember also, many Dems PERCEIVE McCain as a liberal or centrist (as do many Independents). Many voters who FEEL that the party cheated them out of an honest primary contest might not have a problem voting for McCain (or staying home).&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Reality plays a part in voter behavior, but so do perceptions (even erroneous ones).&lt;br&gt; &lt;br&gt;Now add to the mix that Florida MIGHT hold a second primary for Dems (which would give average voters the sense that Hillary still has a chance). Gov. Crist supports the idea, and I suspect that our overwhelmingly Republican legislature will support it (for the same reason that Limbaugh told Rs to vote for Hillary in Texas today). &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Honestly, I don&#039;t know if Michigan is still considering a second primary.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;My point is that most Hillary supporters likely think that she still has a chance, and making them feel disenfranchised could cause major problems for the party (and for Obama, if he wins the nomination).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aba23, </p>
<p>Pushing Hillary out before Pennsylvania might help the party in one sense, but it could tear the party apart on another front.  </p>
<p>Some Hillary supporters will downright resent the party (some will even resent Obama) if the party pushes her out when it SEEMS that she might still have a chance. (Remember, most voters aren’t familiar with “delegate math.”) </p>
<p>The calls for Hillary to drop out (Jonathan Alter advised her to do it BEFORE TX/OH) already remind some Dems of Bush&#39;s tactics here in Fla during the 2000 recount: essentially, &#8220;Gore &#8212; give up, move on, and let me have an easy win.&#8221;  </p>
<p>That&#39;s expected from Bush/Rove, but it&#39;s NOT what Dems are supposed to be about.  If the party appears to do that to Hillary, it could create a whole new wave of Independents.</p>
<p>Remember also, many Dems PERCEIVE McCain as a liberal or centrist (as do many Independents). Many voters who FEEL that the party cheated them out of an honest primary contest might not have a problem voting for McCain (or staying home).</p>
<p>Reality plays a part in voter behavior, but so do perceptions (even erroneous ones).</p>
<p>Now add to the mix that Florida MIGHT hold a second primary for Dems (which would give average voters the sense that Hillary still has a chance). Gov. Crist supports the idea, and I suspect that our overwhelmingly Republican legislature will support it (for the same reason that Limbaugh told Rs to vote for Hillary in Texas today). </p>
<p>Honestly, I don&#39;t know if Michigan is still considering a second primary.</p>
<p>My point is that most Hillary supporters likely think that she still has a chance, and making them feel disenfranchised could cause major problems for the party (and for Obama, if he wins the nomination).</p>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:45:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and a quote from a Washington Post article that Joe linked to provides another reason for Hillary to fight on.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;Republicans hope the race continues. &quot;It&#039;s not a matter of splitting the party as much as it is providing us on the GOP side of the aisle with talking points and ammunition for the fall campaign,&quot; wrote Republican Neil Newhouse. &quot;While the length of the Democrats&#039; race certainly has captured the attention and interest of the electorate, the longer this goes on, the better chance [John] McCain has in November.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and a quote from a Washington Post article that Joe linked to provides another reason for Hillary to fight on.</p>
<blockquote><p>Republicans hope the race continues. &#8220;It&#39;s not a matter of splitting the party as much as it is providing us on the GOP side of the aisle with talking points and ammunition for the fall campaign,&#8221; wrote Republican Neil Newhouse. &#8220;While the length of the Democrats&#39; race certainly has captured the attention and interest of the electorate, the longer this goes on, the better chance [John] McCain has in November.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Jim_Satterfield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim_Satterfield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 01:19:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damozel,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;   I assume that you think that Senator Clinton should fight on so we can see more like this?&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;“I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he’d bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”&lt;br&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Where she endorses the Republican candidate above her fellow Democrat? Or has she secretly switched parties?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damozel,</p>
<p>   I assume that you think that Senator Clinton should fight on so we can see more like this?</p>
<blockquote><p>“I think that I have a lifetime of experience that I will bring to the White House. Sen. John McCain has a lifetime of experience that he’d bring to the White House. And Sen. Obama has a speech he gave in 2002.”</p></blockquote>
<p>Where she endorses the Republican candidate above her fellow Democrat? Or has she secretly switched parties?</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t forget as well that, as any non-liberal can remind you and as any conservative should be able to remind you, that change [grin] is not the same as improvement.  One does not cause, much less guarantee, the other; what you believe or hope [grin] the probability to be is something else altogether.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#39;t forget as well that, as any non-liberal can remind you and as any conservative should be able to remind you, that change [grin] is not the same as improvement.  One does not cause, much less guarantee, the other; what you believe or hope [grin] the probability to be is something else altogether.</p>
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		<title>By: GreenDreams</title>
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		<dc:creator>GreenDreams</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 05 Mar 2008 00:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a trashy smear, Martha. That site has nothing to do with Obama. Shall we find a trashy site by someone who favors Hillary and claim it as hers here? Cmon, this is a site for intelligent people who don&#039;t buy that kind of junk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a trashy smear, Martha. That site has nothing to do with Obama. Shall we find a trashy site by someone who favors Hillary and claim it as hers here? Cmon, this is a site for intelligent people who don&#39;t buy that kind of junk.</p>
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		<title>By: aba23</title>
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		<dc:creator>aba23</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Replying to Cupples:   &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is true enough that 1 1/2 extra months of fence mending would probably be inconsequential. But there are other factors, not the least of which is that the inevitably escalating negativity between increasingly rancorous Democratic camps may sour an electorate that a mere few weeks ago was ecstatic about both its choice and its chances. Perhaps more importantly, it&#039;s a huge blow to the survivor&#039;s financial resources. And all the while Sen. McCain smooths over his own disgruntled party factions.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;(For the record, I&#039;m not arguing one way or the other; my point was only that those calling for Sen. Clinton&#039;s withdrawal are not doing so because they think she shouldn&#039;t be or isn&#039;t qualified to be the nominee, so Damozel&#039;s (and others&#039;) perfectly understandable and justifiable reasons to support her candidacy are somewhat beside the point.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Replying to Cupples:   </p>
<p>It is true enough that 1 1/2 extra months of fence mending would probably be inconsequential. But there are other factors, not the least of which is that the inevitably escalating negativity between increasingly rancorous Democratic camps may sour an electorate that a mere few weeks ago was ecstatic about both its choice and its chances. Perhaps more importantly, it&#39;s a huge blow to the survivor&#39;s financial resources. And all the while Sen. McCain smooths over his own disgruntled party factions.</p>
<p>(For the record, I&#39;m not arguing one way or the other; my point was only that those calling for Sen. Clinton&#39;s withdrawal are not doing so because they think she shouldn&#39;t be or isn&#39;t qualified to be the nominee, so Damozel&#39;s (and others&#39;) perfectly understandable and justifiable reasons to support her candidacy are somewhat beside the point.)</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:15:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And to celebrate that math, a little bit of arrogance and deprecation towards the opponent............&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;TO: Interested Parties&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;From: David Plouffe, Campaign Manager, Obama for America&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;RE: The Real Meaning of March 4th&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;......................................&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;While the Clintons gamely continue to try to move the goal posts, at some point there has to be a reckoning. It is a very simple question – what is their path to secure the nomination? No amount of spin can change the math. We look forward to their tortured answers on Wednesday morning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And to celebrate that math, a little bit of arrogance and deprecation towards the opponent&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>TO: Interested Parties</p>
<p>From: David Plouffe, Campaign Manager, Obama for America</p>
<p>RE: The Real Meaning of March 4th</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..</p>
<p>While the Clintons gamely continue to try to move the goal posts, at some point there has to be a reckoning. It is a very simple question – what is their path to secure the nomination? No amount of spin can change the math. We look forward to their tortured answers on Wednesday morning.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 23:13:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damozel: Glad to see you are back with your Hill Shilling craziness. Jill seems to be lost to the aeries and Holly is blogging from a padded cell, so it&#039;s up to you to keep the silliness going with at least a pretense of objectivity, Bravo!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damozel: Glad to see you are back with your Hill Shilling craziness. Jill seems to be lost to the aeries and Holly is blogging from a padded cell, so it&#39;s up to you to keep the silliness going with at least a pretense of objectivity, Bravo!</p>
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		<title>By: Davebo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Davebo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Math isn&#039;t that hard.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print&quot;&gt;http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Hard to see how she can possibly get back in this under even the most positive scenarios.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If you doesn&#039;t win both TX and OH by at least 8% and probably 10% she&#039;s going to be pressured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Math isn&#39;t that hard.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print">http://www.newsweek.com/id/118240/output/print</a></p>
<p>Hard to see how she can possibly get back in this under even the most positive scenarios.</p>
<p>If you doesn&#39;t win both TX and OH by at least 8% and probably 10% she&#39;s going to be pressured.</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 22:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That&#039;s what botox is for, casual! ;)  (Of course, Amanda gave several other reasons as well that weren&#039;t about age.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#39;s what botox is for, casual! <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' />   (Of course, Amanda gave several other reasons as well that weren&#39;t about age.)</p>
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		<title>By: casualobserver</title>
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		<dc:creator>casualobserver</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Damozel mentions that she hasn&#039;t changed the mind of a single person who gave the reasons Amanda gave,&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;her core problem is generational&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Yes, it&#039;s hard for Hillary to change her age.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Damozel mentions that she hasn&#39;t changed the mind of a single person who gave the reasons Amanda gave,&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;her core problem is generational&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes, it&#39;s hard for Hillary to change her age.</p>
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		<title>By: Cupples</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cupples</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:29:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ABA 23,&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Hillary waits until after Pennsylvania (which has more delegates than Ohio) before considering dropping out, the party would have about  6 and 1/2 months to repair rifts.  If she drops out tomorrow, the party will have about 8 months.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If the party can&#039;t come together in 6 and 1/2 months, what makes you think it can come together with an extra month and a half?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ABA 23,</p>
<p>If Hillary waits until after Pennsylvania (which has more delegates than Ohio) before considering dropping out, the party would have about  6 and 1/2 months to repair rifts.  If she drops out tomorrow, the party will have about 8 months.</p>
<p>If the party can&#39;t come together in 6 and 1/2 months, what makes you think it can come together with an extra month and a half?</p>
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		<title>By: pacatrue</title>
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		<dc:creator>pacatrue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Mar 2008 21:28:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damozel mentions that she hasn&#039;t changed the mind of a single person who gave the reasons Amanda gave, so she must &#039;agree to disagree&#039;. I&#039;ve been reflecting on both internet/blog debates as well as debates such as this in general. It think it&#039;s rare to unheard of for anyone on any side to actually change their mind in the middle of a debate -- unless it&#039;s a trivial matter (where to eat dinner) or someone is particularly powerful or important (hey, boss, senator, new girlfriend, you&#039;re right!). Instead, persuasion seems to be more of a seed-planting event. You give good reasons and try not to offend the other person. Almost always the person immediately rejects those reasons, but sometimes later they revisit them and, after they&#039;ve cooled off, think through them again on their own and decide maybe there&#039;s some merit. This is one of the primary reasons one has to keep a cool head (like I did not in my first comment) and remain open to the other person. If someone feels they are being attacked personally, they rarely get past that to look at the actual content of the message.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damozel mentions that she hasn&#39;t changed the mind of a single person who gave the reasons Amanda gave, so she must &#39;agree to disagree&#39;. I&#39;ve been reflecting on both internet/blog debates as well as debates such as this in general. It think it&#39;s rare to unheard of for anyone on any side to actually change their mind in the middle of a debate &#8212; unless it&#39;s a trivial matter (where to eat dinner) or someone is particularly powerful or important (hey, boss, senator, new girlfriend, you&#39;re right!). Instead, persuasion seems to be more of a seed-planting event. You give good reasons and try not to offend the other person. Almost always the person immediately rejects those reasons, but sometimes later they revisit them and, after they&#39;ve cooled off, think through them again on their own and decide maybe there&#39;s some merit. This is one of the primary reasons one has to keep a cool head (like I did not in my first comment) and remain open to the other person. If someone feels they are being attacked personally, they rarely get past that to look at the actual content of the message.</p>
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