The charges should be investigated. What has happened within America over the last seven years under Bush has irrefutably shaped world history and ravaged the US Constitution (among other effects). In order to fully understand the impact of Bush's words and deeds a full accounting needs to be done. Without knowledge of America's deeds (the most powerful country on Earth) is to deny future historians a seminal vehicle to understand the history of the world. To deny this accounting will be as though the Dark Ages have returned.

If we do not want to repeat these mistakes again (or if we simply want to move forward) we need to understand what went wrong and why.

Sure part if this understanding may involve people who broke laws. But lawbreakers should be brought to trial and punished accordingly. But the biggest piece is that Americans need to know what we gave up as Americans and at what price.

The charges should be investigated. What has happened within America over the last seven years under Bush has irrefutably shaped world history and ravaged the US Constitution (among other effects). In order to fully understand the impact of Bush's words and deeds a full accounting needs to be done. Without knowledge of America's deeds (the most powerful country on Earth) is to deny future historians a seminal vehicle to understand the history of the world. To deny this accounting will be as though the Dark Ages have returned.

If we do not want to repeat these mistakes again (or if we simply want to move forward) we need to understand what went wrong and why.

Sure part if this understanding may involve people who broke laws. But lawbreakers should be brought to trial and punished accordingly. But the biggest piece is that Americans need to know what we gave up as Americans and at what price.

I don't know about the Bush die hards, but how about a liberal president doing the same things? Once you give them that power good luck getting it back. People that insist on operating in secrecy are up to no good. I can accept that in an intelligence agency, but not in the oval office. Politicians use those means to do very bad things, and both sides of the aisle should demand accountability from the most powerful office in the land. I find it extremely short sighted of those on the right to simply give Bush a pass on these things.

I don't know about the Bush die hards, but how about a liberal president doing the same things? Once you give them that power good luck getting it back. People that insist on operating in secrecy are up to no good. I can accept that in an intelligence agency, but not in the oval office. Politicians use those means to do very bad things, and both sides of the aisle should demand accountability from the most powerful office in the land. I find it extremely short sighted of those on the right to simply give Bush a pass on these things.

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Oh, and I get to agree with SD today. Yeah, the Congress has a lot more important things to be doing than investigating steroids in baseball or the Patriots cheating scandals.

What you say is true.

However, anti-Americans are LEGION, and long pre-date W. Some have legitimate grievances with the American empire, but many just want payback.

The Serbs…supported by the Russians, if they feel like causing trouble…might call for Clinton's indictment. They have been rioting against the US.

If Rummy – who vetoed an incursion into Pakistan – why not Prez Obama who might, as he has said, approve such an incursion regardless of Pakistan's sovereignty (not saying I would disagree with Pres. O. on this, just making a point).

BTW: Greendreams makes an excellent point ab out the sweeping powers of the executive thanks to W. I wonder if the GOP will be so happy/supportive of Prez Clinton/Obama having such sweeping powers hahahahahahahahaha….

I'll tell you one thing that would illustrate to Americans exactly what Bushco has sacrificed in the name of GWOT, would be if Bush, Cheney, Gonzales, Rove, Meiers, et al. simply disappeared to Gitmo, no notice, no lawyer, no rights. “We cannot comment on whether or not these individuals have been picked up”. Remember, if they are not repealed this year, President Clinton or Obama will have these sweeping powers at her/his whim. It's perfectly legal now.

Plus, we'd learn if waterboarding actually yields valid intelligence.

Yes, I'm kidding. OMG

And, yes, NATO was first, then UN, but the point is still valid.

Interesting also, tossing around terms like “criminal war”. Has the Supreme Court declared the Iraq War to be a criminal act? Has the World Court?

The International Criminal Court would have jurisdiction. The UN could also form a tribunal like it did for Milosevic.

Of course the United States wouldn't recognize the authority of any of those international judicial systems, but aggressor nations never do.

It was a NATO program in the Balkans, not the UN. I believe the UN came latter.

http://www.cnn.com/ALLPOLITICS/stories/1999/05/...

AS for the Clinton example, there's no comparison- the bulk of the Western world was against the Iraq invasion while most supported the UN incursion in the Balkans. Not even remotely similar.

For example: investigating Scalia's conflicts of interest. Unless President Obama assumes dictatorial powers, he can't do squat to Scalia. There is a separation of powers, and for a bloody good reason. Only one justice was ever impeached, over two hundred years ago, and that was quashed.

Fantasyland. Pure liberal fantasyland. FDR was a titan, and he got his nose bloodied by trying to mess with the Supreme Court on political grounds. To presume Obama or Clinton are even remotely in his league is absurd.

Interesting also, tossing around terms like “criminal war”. Has the Supreme Court declared the Iraq War to be a criminal act? Has the World Court?

By who's judicial authority is it criminal?

I would imagine there are a great many Serbs just itching to haul President Clinton into the dock for his “war crimes” against the people of Serbia.

Ah, the coming era of bipartisanship. Feel the love.

But it'll never happen, which is why folk like me don't even think of public service.