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From my (red) corner of Texas

I showed up a few minutes early yesterday to pick up Adorable Child from a birthday party, and as has happened with nearly every adult encounter in the last week, another parent and I began talking about the primary election. While people eddied about us (including an entire family decked out in Obama t-shirts), our dialogue ran along now-familiar lines: he watched the Democratic debate in Austin last week; he still isn’t sure he’s fully informed; he’s leaning toward Obama.

Having these conversations is odd in its own right; I can’t remember ever talking with strangers about politics prior to now. More strange, though, is that nearly every person I’ve talked with has turned out to be a Republican who is a) not impressed with their candidate choices, and b) thinking of asking for a Democratic ballot in this primary.

I’m seeing this everywhere, from my own household to Texas bloggers… and many of them (though not all) sound like this (from the Houston Chronicle):

Michael Jones, a 39-year-old self-described conservative Republican who is involved in marketing, said he will cast his vote for Obama in the primary “so Hillary gets out.”

But he isn’t enamored of Obama, a first-term senator whose experience has come under fire from both Clinton and McCain.

“I just wish he would get some substance,” Jones said. Yet Jones said he is undecided about the general election because he doesn’t like McCain, whom he described as “just another Washington senator.”

Not exactly a ringing endorsement — for anyone – but my overall impression is that both McCain and Clinton are in trouble down here.

In my own neighborhood, I’ve seen only one yard sign… and it’s for Mike Huckabee. Similarly, although the early voting location near me is plastered with campaign signs for various candidates, there are none for McCain. And when I posted about that yesterday, the only commenter said, “How can one possibly get excited by a candidate who is soon to be an octogenarian, for crying out loud!

Yet there’s something more than Republican apathy and anti-Clintonitis going on here in my crimson corner of Texas… because while Fort Bend County includes CD22 (the former seat of Tom Delay), and CD14 (Ron Paul’s district), we have this (from Fort Bend Now, our local online news):

In a county known as a bastion of GOP conservatism, more than twice as many Democrats have cast ballots in early voting so far than Republicans. [...]

According to early voting totals compiled by the Fort Bend County Elections Administration, 7,563 people had cast ballots in the Democratic primary as of the end of the day Friday, while just 3,677 did so in the Republican primary.

That represents a major reversal from March 2006 primary numbers, when 9,101 Fort Bend County residents cast early ballots in the Republican primary, while a scant 1,619 cast ballots in the Democratic primary.

Major reversal indeed.

For a wide variety of reasons, it seems that people are highly motivated to participate in this primary. They’ve been energized enough to have conversations, watch the debates, do the research… and most importantly, to vote.

And many of them are voting as Democrats.

It probably won’t make much of a difference for McCain, but if it’s true that Hillary must win both Texas and Ohio to stay in the nomination race, then judging from activity in my neck of the woods, she’s in even bigger trouble than recent polls indicate.

(Cross-posted from Polimom Says…)

  • shaun
    Your polling place experience mirrors those of friends and acquaintances as one primary after another comes and goes: Even at this late date Clinton's ground-level operations are extraordinarily half assed, while Obama's rock and roll. That difference in and of itself will not win Obama the nomination, but it speaks volumes about the state of the race.
  • casualobserver
    Hi, mom!

    The blogosphere, like the atmosphere, abhors a vacuum, so I understand the penchant to fill it up with something. But, at this point, I'm not so sure the something is really that foretelling.

    Your Fort Bend numbers certainly validate more interest in the D primary, but do those same numbers really support a watershed shift in overall primary activity?

    We will likely get some deterministic skinny on the Clinton/Obama thing shortly, but all this innuendo of the general election seems to me to be at best an extrapolation of the "politically activist trees" and ignoring the passive forest of the tens of millions of general election-only voters that are far from engaged (or appearing) at this point.

    I don't see anyone's tshirts in the lines at the local grocery store.
  • elrod
    Same thing happening in Collin County, home of Plano north of Dallas. Democratic primary voters have jumped 1300% over 2006. Lots of these folks are moderately conservative Republicans genuinely turned on by Barack Obama. That's happened in Williamson County, Tennessee (south of Nashville) too and in Chesterfield County, Virginia outside Richmond. Obama has not only cut into Clinton's base. He's cut into key Republican bases as well. I suspect he'll do very well in Hamilton County, Ohio for the same reason.
  • The_Master
    Polimom,


    It may be that the same ~11,000 people are voting in the primary this year as in 2006, they are just almost all voting in the Democrats' primary this year since it is more "interesting". If so, it could be bad news for your Representative, Ron Paul.


    One would think that those willing to forgo the opportunity to vote for (or against) the likely Democratic nominee would be those who feel strongly about others on the Republican primary roster. Historically, that group includes a large percentage who want to change the status quo. If most of the regular Republican primary voters switch this year and vote in the Democrats' primary, Ron Paul could lose his primary race, and therefore his seat.


    Were there Ron Paul for Congress signs around the polling place?

  • The_Master
    Polimom,


    It may be that the same ~11,000 people are voting in the primary this year as in 2006, they are just almost all voting in the Democrats' primary this year since it is more "interesting". If so, it could be bad news for your Representative, Ron Paul.


    One would think that those willing to forgo the opportunity to vote for (or against) the likely Democratic nominee would be those who feel strongly about others on the Republican primary roster. Historically, that group includes a large percentage who want to change the status quo. If most of the regular Republican primary voters switch this year and vote in the Democrats' primary, Ron Paul could lose his primary race, and therefore his seat.


    Were there Ron Paul for Congress signs around the polling place?

  • The_Master
    Polimom,


    It may be that the same ~11,000 people are voting in the primary this year as in 2006, they are just almost all voting in the Democrats' primary this year since it is more "interesting". If so, it could be bad news for your Representative, Ron Paul.


    One would think that those willing to forgo the opportunity to vote for (or against) the likely Democratic nominee would be those who feel strongly about others on the Republican primary roster. Historically, that group includes a large percentage who want to change the status quo. If most of the regular Republican primary voters switch this year and vote in the Democrats' primary, Ron Paul could lose his primary race, and therefore his seat.


    Were there Ron Paul for Congress signs around the polling place?

  • domajot
    While many see the Obma T-shirsts as a sign of hope for American politics, I see them as a sigh of concern.
    As far as I can tell, Obama is an intelligent and honorable man. He is a blank slate, however, on which everyone writes his own hopes, and those hopes are varied. and, often contradictory.
    Should he achieve access to the Oval Office, he will have to choose which hopes to fulfill and which to disappoint. Every disappointment then, has the potential of being seen as a betrayal.
    What then? A backlash?
    Hope is wonderful, but an ill defined and all encompassing hope is impossible to realize in real, complicand and contradictory life . Thus the danger of being the Messaih. Messiahs can be crucified.
  • Master -- Funny you should ask about the Ron Paul signs. No, I didn't see any at all, either for president or for congress. All by itself, that's kind of strange in this congressional district -- and much different from prior elections that I recall. Related to that, btw, is the amusing (to me) Republican primary ballot, which gives voters 2 opportunities to vote for him. (Sample ballot .pdf here.) Don't think I've ever seen somebody listed twice before...

    casualobserver: I'm not trying to extrapolate to the general election. These are merely observations of activity in front of my eyes. My area, though, is pretty reliably Republican, so it's pretty interesting, generally -- and judging by other comments here, it's happening in many places around the state.
  • SteveK
    casualobserver you're sounding a little like Groucho when he said, "Who you going to believe... me or your lying eyes?"

    The negative blow back seems little more than those who oppose Obama trying to 'make less' of this phenomenon.
  • cosmoetica
    Poli: I live in Williamson County, TX and it's heavily Republican, but no one I know nor work with is talking McCain. They are all Obamaheads.

    Doma: First, Obama is as specific as Hillary in his ideas. The difference is he is more malleable because he's willing to negotiate to get things done. That is a reality Hillary's supporters seem not to care of in their thirst to denigrate.
  • casualobserver
    "casualobserver you're sounding a little like Groucho when he said, "Who you going to believe... me or your lying eyes?"

    The negative blow back seems little more than those who oppose Obama trying to 'make less' of this phenomenon."

    Hey, interpret it as you wish, SK. I'm just remembering cosmoetica making emphatic hay out of the the 47-43 lead Barackstar has on the corrupt, womanizing, warmongering has-been. For my money, if Tiger Woods had a 4 point spread on Palmer to win the Masters, I'd say that Tiger still needs some work on his game.
  • cosmoetica
    CO: so far, the War has been nothing of an issue, since the D's care more of the economy, and the R's have been babbling on immigration.

    Once the general comes, with 3/4s of the public against the war, that 4% is likely to increase.

    McCain: But I'd like to talk about X.

    O: The War.

    Mac: But....

    O: The War.

    It is an irony that the very high water mark of Rep power, which led to the brass to steal an election, will likely lead the the rise to power not only of a Dem, but likely a black man.
  • SteveK
    For my money, if Tiger Woods had a 4 point spread on Palmer to win the Masters...


    For my money, I'd mortgage the house and put it all on Tiger... I would that is if I could find someone crazy enough to make that book.

    Whether intentional or not casualobserver’s allegory is a perfect example of the "Then v. Now" that's going on in politics today. It's probably always been there but this is the first time many of are of an age to see it clearly AND the older we get the more "Then" we become and the more tempting it becomes to get angry or bitter.

    Age wise I'm a "Then" but the "Now's" are our future and the ones to keep our eyes on. Good God, they're both exciting and optimistic two things our country has had a short supply of lately. I look forward to their victory throughout the upcoming election.

    FWIW: As much as I respect / admire both Palmer and Woods, Tiger would beat Arnold by 10 strokes even if he left everything over a 4 iron at home... "Then" v. "Now" and there's nothing we can do but enjoy it... or not.
  • I'm tired of the "no substance" meme about Obama. Clearly, he can deliver wonkish policy-heavy speeches. After the Wisconsin win Obama spoke, for example, about the war in Iraq, foreign policy generally, healthcare, education, lobbyists, the economy, trade, taxes, the minimum wage, energy, Darfur and immigration. OK, he's shown that he can, but is it really what voters want? Some of his audience left and he had Wonkette asking "Is it still exciting and inspiring? Or is it just more dull Barry on the Stump?"

    Hillary and McCain are both banking on their own delusion, that Obama can't be both inspiring and content-dense. It's a really bad miscalculation. Obama has reams of specifics. He lays them all out in a few speeches he can point to that blow that proposition out of the water, then back to inspiring oratory. I don't have a problem with the substance, and I agree with Obama that to really change things, we will need the enthusiasm and involvement of the electorate.
    "Let's be clear, speeches don't put food on the table," he said recently. "But the only way that we're going to bring about change is if all of you get excited about change."
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