Comments on: Obama I: Why Clinton’s Goose Is Cooked & How She’ll Try to Climb Out of the Oven http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/ An Internet hub for moderates, centrists, and independents, with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, and right Mon, 23 Nov 2009 15:50:06 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: gator_ron http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-148239 gator_ron Sat, 23 Feb 2008 20:37:59 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-148239 Obama has a health care plan that will be more appealing to Republicans. That means less political capital will be spent on getting it passed. If the congress has the political will and strength they can make it the Hillary type plan. The point is to get a comprehensive health care plan passed. Hillary does not think in terms of working with those who don't agree with her. Obama does. <br><br>The reason she is in the bind she is in is because she did not realize that America is tired of her way of solving problems. America dislikes Bush not because of his political philosophy but because of his political methods. As far as I am concerned her methods are no different than Bush's. <br><br>She must get that now since she just accused him of being like Karl Rove. She wants to paint him like Bush.That is contrary to Obama's basic philosophy of life. <br><br>Sorry, Slamfu but the Clintons are mendacious. Obama has an ethical standard to live by. All politicians skirt the truth at times, Hillary may also, I don't know, but she listens to Bill and he certainly does not. Obama has a health care plan that will be more appealing to Republicans. That means less political capital will be spent on getting it passed. If the congress has the political will and strength they can make it the Hillary type plan. The point is to get a comprehensive health care plan passed. Hillary does not think in terms of working with those who don't agree with her. Obama does.

The reason she is in the bind she is in is because she did not realize that America is tired of her way of solving problems. America dislikes Bush not because of his political philosophy but because of his political methods. As far as I am concerned her methods are no different than Bush's.

She must get that now since she just accused him of being like Karl Rove. She wants to paint him like Bush.That is contrary to Obama's basic philosophy of life.

Sorry, Slamfu but the Clintons are mendacious. Obama has an ethical standard to live by. All politicians skirt the truth at times, Hillary may also, I don't know, but she listens to Bill and he certainly does not.

]]> By: Slamfu http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-148238 Slamfu Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:39:14 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-148238 I've made my points about why I'm not voting for Hillary, but I don't like this demonization tone that I've been hearing lately. It'd be nice for Dems to remember that soon enough the primary will be over and that both candidates will still be working for the same team after that. I'm not going to be voting for Hillary, but this doesn't have to be a zero sum game. I can support Obama without thinking Clinton is a whiny cutthroat shrew. Apparently there are quit a few people that think differently. I've made my points about why I'm not voting for Hillary, but I don't like this demonization tone that I've been hearing lately. It'd be nice for Dems to remember that soon enough the primary will be over and that both candidates will still be working for the same team after that. I'm not going to be voting for Hillary, but this doesn't have to be a zero sum game. I can support Obama without thinking Clinton is a whiny cutthroat shrew. Apparently there are quit a few people that think differently.

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-148237 DLS Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:50:18 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-148237 "O's surging precisely because he's NOT Hill the Chill."<br><br>Or any other DC fixture. Also, you're right about Edwards as a possible VP and I've said the same thing, but under Obama, not under Clinton. Biden -- bashed Bush too much. Dodd I can't stand because of his crappy behavior after the 1994 elections, with his constant lying about "extreme" and "extremist" Republicans.<br><br>Just be ready for it. (Clinton as VP, improbable as it otherwise would seem; I am not convinced Obama would agree to be Clinton's VP, no way.) Also be ready to see the Dem establishment arrange for DC fixtures and other retreads from years gone by (including Bill Clinton) in Cabinet and other important Dem administrative positions. The party leadership and the ambitious fixtures and retreads would want that. “O's surging precisely because he's NOT Hill the Chill.”

Or any other DC fixture. Also, you're right about Edwards as a possible VP and I've said the same thing, but under Obama, not under Clinton. Biden — bashed Bush too much. Dodd I can't stand because of his crappy behavior after the 1994 elections, with his constant lying about “extreme” and “extremist” Republicans.

Just be ready for it. (Clinton as VP, improbable as it otherwise would seem; I am not convinced Obama would agree to be Clinton's VP, no way.) Also be ready to see the Dem establishment arrange for DC fixtures and other retreads from years gone by (including Bill Clinton) in Cabinet and other important Dem administrative positions. The party leadership and the ambitious fixtures and retreads would want that.

]]> By: cosmoetica http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-148236 cosmoetica Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:40:34 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-148236 DLS: Ain't gonna happen. O's surging precisely because he's NOT Hill the Chill. Edwards has a better shot, but he likely won't wanna be #2 twice in a row. Richardson is a good bet, or even Biden or Dodd.<br><br>If he really wanted to 'gore' the r's though, he'd offer it to Chuck Hagel. DLS: Ain't gonna happen. O's surging precisely because he's NOT Hill the Chill. Edwards has a better shot, but he likely won't wanna be #2 twice in a row. Richardson is a good bet, or even Biden or Dodd.

If he really wanted to 'gore' the r's though, he'd offer it to Chuck Hagel.

]]> By: A Second Hand Conjecture » Obama The Brave http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-110713 A Second Hand Conjecture » Obama The Brave Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:32:28 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-110713 [...] Shaun Mullen writing at The Moderate Voice takes a look at the delegate race and agrees that Clinton is unlikely to prevail as eventual candidate, but finds Plouffe’s comments to be mere … Plouffery: I’ve been killing a goodly number of brain cells lately trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton can keep from driving off the electoral cliff, but I keep shooting blanks. [...] [...] Shaun Mullen writing at The Moderate Voice takes a look at the delegate race and agrees that Clinton is unlikely to prevail as eventual candidate, but finds Plouffe’s comments to be mere … Plouffery: I’ve been killing a goodly number of brain cells lately trying to figure out how Hillary Clinton can keep from driving off the electoral cliff, but I keep shooting blanks. [...]

]]> By: DLS http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-148235 DLS Thu, 21 Feb 2008 16:31:37 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-148235 Cheney has set an example of what a non-non-entity VP can be like.<br><br>The DNC may "arrange" (twisting arms, punching, kicking Obama) to have Clinton become Obama's strong VP "choice." So be ready for that. Cheney has set an example of what a non-non-entity VP can be like.

The DNC may “arrange” (twisting arms, punching, kicking Obama) to have Clinton become Obama's strong VP “choice.” So be ready for that.

]]> By: cosmoetica http://themoderatevoice.com/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/comment-page-1/#comment-148234 cosmoetica Thu, 21 Feb 2008 14:06:47 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/at-tmv/newsweek-blogitics/17922/obama-i-why-clintons-goose-is-cooked-how-shell-try-to-climb-out-of-the-oven/#comment-148234 Shaun: I've been needling some of the absurdly pro-Hillary gals at TMV: <a href="http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/barack-obama/17904/i-favor-judgment-over-experience/">http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/barack-oba...</a><br><br>and I've noticed that they generally do not respond to your pieces on Obama or Hillary.<br><br>Is it the cologne you wear, or is it just the scent of broiling fowl ass that keeps them mum? Shaun: I've been needling some of the absurdly pro-Hillary gals at TMV: http://themoderatevoice.com/politics/barack-oba...

and I've noticed that they generally do not respond to your pieces on Obama or Hillary.

Is it the cologne you wear, or is it just the scent of broiling fowl ass that keeps them mum?

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