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Gallup Poll: Obama Opens “First Statistically Significant Lead” Against Clinton

A new Gallup poll shows Illinois Senator Barack Obama widening his national lead against Senator Hillary Clinton in their increasingly heated battle for the 2008 Democratic Presidential nomination — a lead Gallup says is Obama’s first “statistically significant” lead.

Meanwhile, a top adviser to Clinton said today that in effect it doesn’t matter what happens in the remaining primaries since primary votes are “irrelevant” to the obligations of super-delegates — and Clinton will win by having more of those.

The poll:

For several days, nationwide Democratic voters’ preferences have been shifting toward Barack Obama in Gallup Poll Daily election tracking. Now, the Illinois senator enjoys his first statistically significant lead, 49% to 42%, over Hillary Clinton, according to the Feb. 13-15 results. Additionally, the 49% support for Obama represents the high point for him in the daily tracking program.

Obama has won the last eight Democratic primaries or caucuses, and hopes to make it 10 straight on Tuesday in Wisconsin and Hawaii. The tracking data reflect the Obama momentum since the Feb. 5 Super Tuesday primaries, moving from a +13 Clinton advantage in Feb. 3-5 polling to a +7 Obama lead in the latest results.

Here’s the Gallup graph:
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But will any of the voting in the primaries matter? A top Clinton adviser said today that it really won’t – that in the end Mrs. Clinton will get the nomination because she’ll convince the Super-delegates to vote for her.

He also called the remaining primaries “irrelevant” — even though his candidate (and her husband) are out on the hustings as you read this…acting as if they believe voters’ decisions mean something… and a lot of campaign money is being spent to convince them to vote pro-Hillary:

A top Hillary Clinton adviser on Saturday boldly predicted his candidate would lock down the nomination before the August convention by definitively winning over party insiders and officials known as superdelegates, claiming the number of state elections won by rival Barack Obama would be “irrelevant” to their decision.

The claims no doubt will escalate the war of words between the campaigns, as Obama continues to argue superdelegates should vote the way of their districts. But the special class of delegates, which make up about 20 percent of the total delegate haul, are not bound to vote the way of their states and districts, as pledged delegates are.

Obama leads handily in the pledged delegate count and has won more states but trails Clinton in superdelegates, making them potential and controversial deadlock-breakers if the race ends up a dead heat come convention time.

Harold Ickes, a 40-year party operative charged with winning over superdelegates for the Clinton campaign, made no apologies on Saturday for the campaign’s convention strategy.

“We’re going to win this nomination,” Ickes said, adding that they would do so soon after the last contest on June 7 in Puerto Rico. “You’re not going to see this go to the convention floor.”

This is about as blunt as it gets: Hillary Clinton is out there appealing for votes now — but one of her top aides is saying it doesn’t really matter what voters in the remaining primary states do. She’ll be nominated anyway.

Ickes predicted Clinton and Obama would run “neck and neck” in the remaining states and that there would be a “minuscule amount of difference” between the two in pledged delegates.

But he said superdelegates — who “have a sense of what it takes to get elected” — would determine the outcome and side in larger numbers for Clinton.

It’ll be interesting to see how this plays.

The Hillary Clinton campaign was initially launched using the idea of “inevitability” — that she was GOING to be the choice of primary voters and GOING to get the nomination.

Now it has shifted to a new kind of message about inevitability: that she is GOING to get the nomination no matter what what primary voters decide in the next few weeks.

And Ickes has instituted new SPIN: he insists they are “automatic” delegates, not super delegates:

“The Fourth Estate created the term ’superdelegate,’” Ickes said, though Democrats have used the term widely in the roiling debate of their allegiances and responsibilities in the increasingly competitive and high-stakes battle for the Democratic presidential nomination.

“They don’t have super powers,” Ickes said. “It’s one person, one vote. They have no more power than any other delegate. But they do have a sense of what it takes to get elected.”

Superdelegates consist of members of Congress, former presidents, governors and other party officials and insiders. The class was created in 1982 to take power away from activists and hand it to party insiders. Rarely have their votes decided the nominee.

“They are closely in touch with the issues and ideas of the jurisdiction they represent and they are as much or more in touch than delegates won or recruited by presidential campaigns,” Ickes said.

Obama currently leads Clinton by 136 in pledged delegates but trails by 95 in superdelegates, according to calculations given by both campaigns.

“Hillary will end up with more automatic delegates than Obama,” Ickes said, and the number of elections won by Obama is “irrelevant to the obligations of automatic delegates.”

You have to wonder about Ickes’ highly-touted political smarts.

It’s hard to imagine that this kind of statement will endear his candidate to wavering Democrats — or for that matter to independent voters.

Rather, it may help some voters decide not to vote for Mrs. Clinton if she gets the nomination, since it is now clear from his comments that the Clinton camp is now tossing a coin and basically saying:

“Heads (if I win primaries) I win! Tails (if I lose the primaries I will get the super-delegates and win anyway) I win!”

  • pacatrue
    Yeah, as you say, one way to make sure the primary delegates do count is to tell the voters before voting that you don't care what they say.
  • cosmoetica
    Gee. If we point out that Hillary has no regard for the wishes of the 'little people,' do you think we'll be called sexist, or will she have to cry first?

    C'mon, people, unless you want an in-house replay of the stacked 2000 General Election, drive a stake into this campaign in every state!
  • JSpencer
    The Hillary philosophy, insofar as campaign strategy, is starting to sound more like the GWB campaign strategy of old. That sort of end justifies the means is a slap in the face of all democrats who have until now had the audacity (and naivete) to think the D's somehow had the moral high ground. I hope this backfires on the Clinton campaign in a major way. It should.
  • Mike_P
    I have to admit, Obama taking the lead nationally certainly must qualify as nothing less than a stunning turnaround - one poli-sci majors will talk about for decades. Let's face it. Sen. Clinton *was* "Ms. Inevitable," since at least January 2004 (give or take Gore). And from the day she announced until late this fall, there was no reason to believe anything else. Her campaign (not to mention the candidate) executed like a perfect machine. There were a zero mistakes. And there was no reason to doubt the high double-digit leads national polls served up on her behalf.

    Then the cracks started to appear, and really (at that point), for no good reason, it seems to me. The cracks grew, and when Obama won Iowa, all hell broke loose. By early February, Sen. Obama was able to win "red state" Virginia by 30 percentage points. I'm pretty damn sure we'll be talking about this season for years to come, no matter who walks away with the prize.
  • JimB
    Harold Ickes, a Clinton operative, said that Clinton will win due to the superdelegates and that it doesn't matter if Obama wins the popular vote. He is also reversing himself on the status of Michigan and Florida. As a member of the DNC he supported the decision to strip Michigan and Florida of their delegates. Now as a Clinton operative he wants the delegates to go to Clinton even though there was no campaign in these state and Obama was not on the ballot in Michigan. If the "party leaders" give the election to Clinton even though Obama has won the popular vote I will not vote or support any Democrat in any election for the next 40 years.
  • StockBoySF
    I never bought into the whole "Hillary is inevitable" propaganda and I was surprised at how the MSM self-perpetuated it.

    For one thing, Obama had strong grassroots support, as evidenced by the large number of donations he was receiving. For money he was more or less tied with Hillary. Her money came in large sums, not numerous small sums.

    For another thing, up to 50% of Americans said they wouldn't vote for Hillary and the polls had her pretty high up there, which meant she could only drop. Whereas more people had a favorable opinion of Obama, but he hadn't had as much exposure. Therefore people didn't know him and he had a lot of room to go up.

    Because Obama comes across as reasonable, it was easy to see how people would gravitate towards him. He had a lot of support and really the only question was whether America would support an African American president. I posted on here that if the blacks thought the whites would get behind him then the blacks would start supporting him. Obama's decisive win in white Iowa showed the blacks that whites would vote for him, so that opened up the possibility of them voting for him and when the whites saw he was gaining in the polls (and as they got to know him) there was more possibility of support for him.

    Even though I never bought into the Hillary inevitability thing, I still don't know if Obama will get the nomination or if Hillary will. It's close and I've always said that Hillary will fight hard and use dirty tricks to secure the nomination.

    As far as not voting Democratic for the next 40 years if the superdelegates give the nomination to Hillary.... I wouldn't go that far. I think that if it's clear the people voting in the Dem primaries want Obama then the nomination should go to Obama. If the people clearly want Hillary, then she should get the nomination. If there are backroom deals (with the FL/MI delegates and/or the superdelegates) and the Dem leaders choose Hillary when the public wants Obama, then I won't vote Dem in this election. We'll see about the next election.

    I feel that the primaries are for the Dems to decide who they want as prez. If the superdelegates abuse their power and choose whoever they want, then what is the point of having the primaries? Also, I'm tired of our leaders- both Dem and Rep., not standing up for our rights as citizens as guaranteed under the constitution. To vote for the Dems (if they install whoever) if the leadership continues to trample on my rights is to support their policies of constitution trampling. The Dems might offer poor excuses as to why they let Bush bully them into supporting his policies, but when Dems start playing games within their own party, it's pretty sad. I expect the Dem leaders to respect the votes of the people and not be so corrupt.

    At any rate, I won't be a part of the Dems leadership games to install whoever they want. The only power I have to protest such maneuvering is my vote as a citizen.

    As much as I don't want McCain in office (and I won't go into all the reasons now), it really would be ironic if he became president because the GOP nominated him based how the Republicans in the primaries voted (and not what the base wanted). That is a true democratic election, even if it is only the primaries. Whereas if Hillary was nominated due to backroom maneuvering but lost the general election (because the average Dem felt their vote in the primary was disregarded so they did not support her in the general election) it really would be ironic.

    Also the Democratic leadership has said that Dems should rally behind whoever is nominated so the Reps. do not retain control of the WH. Well, that might work with some Dems., but it leaves a strong distaste in my mouth, just to follow based on what someone wishes me to do (and the Reps. do it, too).

    Regardless of the Dem/Rep dynamic in politics today, the Dems have a chance to stand up and say, "This is how democracies work and it works well. The people in the primaries support X so that is who our nominee will be." Unfortunately it seems that the Republicans, by nominating McCain because of popular support and against the wishes of the base, will show us how democracies are run. IF this does turn out to be the case, all I can tell the Dem leaders is that they can't expect the people to enthusiastically support one candidate in the primary, only for the Dem leaders to kick them down and expect voters to support someone they don't like. I won't support someone I don't like and it's not that I'm whiny. I won't support anyone who abuses their power at the expense of my rights.

    If the Dem leaders do the backroom deals and install Hillary (assuming that Obama has a clear lead in the population), then a lot of first time voters will be discouraged and may not vote again. People will believe (and it's the fear of at least some blacks) that the white establishment will not let a black become prez. This opens up an opportunity for McCain to court the black vote if the Dems disenfranchise them.

    I'm really proud that so many Americans are supporting either Hillary or Obama. It is truly a historic moment and while there are still issues of racism and sexism, I'm actually proud to be an American again. But if the Dem leaders choose whoever they want, then they're telling the world that corruption is how America operates.
  • elrod
    What's truly stunning is how awful Hillary Clinton's campaign has been. She simply did not plan for a campaign to go past Super Tuesday. She didn't bother to compete in the "small states" or the "flyover states." She wasted millions of dollars on useless media like the Hallmark infomercial and blew through all of her $140 million by the end of January. And now she's launching negative ads in Wisconsin taunting Obama about refusing to debate there while she cut short her only visit to the state!

    The talk was that Clinton has the institutional support behind her to make her campaign inevitable. The only relic of that notion is her continued lead among superdelegates. As for campaign competence, she's been a failure. God help us if she reaches the White House and runs the country the way she ran her campaign.
  • Rudi
    A top Hillary Clinton adviser on Saturday boldly predicted his candidate would lock down the nomination before the August convention by definitively winning over party insiders and officials known as superdelegates, claiming the number of state elections won by rival Barack Obama would be “irrelevant” to their decision.
    I can only wait till Billary and Ickes themselves become “irrelevant”.
  • cosmoetica
    Stockboy: 'if the Dem leaders choose whoever they want, then they're telling the world that corruption is how America operates.'

    Ditto.

    Elrod: 'As for campaign competence, she's been a failure. God help us if she reaches the White House and runs the country the way she ran her campaign.'

    Ditto deux.

    Rudi: 'I can only wait till Billary and Ickes themselves become “irrelevant”.'

    A threefer!
  • StockBoySF
    elrod (and cosmoetica), yes you are right on the campaign competence (incompetence) of Hillary.

    Speaking of which, I would like to point out that W was head of Arbusto Energy (then renamed Bush Exploration, then Spectron) and didn't it go bankrupt? Just like he's bankrupting the US?

    Recently (after Hillary announced that she loaned her campaign $5MM) I pointed out once or twice to friends that Obama is running the successful national (now) campaign and doesn't have to loan himself money, like Hilary. He's thought out his spending and he probably has some sensible business plan in place. I put that in the experience column, and since Hillary has never run anything either it's a good comparison, especially since Obama and Clinton had more or less the same amount.

    Obama wanted to be smart in spending his supporters money.

    Whereas I think Hillary is out to do whatever it takes to win the battle at hand, then go on to the next battle. If it means that Hillary has to use her money that she raised to outspend her opponents to win (or keep even....) then she'll do it. I'm not sure she thinks long term in the same way that Obama does.
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