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		<title>By: tjproudamerican</title>
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		<dc:creator>tjproudamerican</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 18:06:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;     If I may quickly add a point about Bill Clinton&#039;s South Carolina Narrative: he could have said, winning SC does not guarantee the nomination and looked to John Edwards&#039; victory in 2004 in that primary. Edwards, like Obama, was a Senator. 2004 was 4 years ago.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;     Instead, he compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, a man who had NEVER been elected to office and went back 20 and 24 years!!!! to get his comparison.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I loved Bill Clinton and voted for he and Hillary twice each. But I excused them both way too often. Her debating strategy and his angry and obviously sly attacks on Obama have made me feel like an almost 60 year old fool.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Morale for me? Just because someone has bad and real enemies, that does not mean that person is good.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;I pray to the God I believe in (I am a more than once a week liberal church-goer) that I stop making excuses for my friends. I loved your site since I discovered it because you keep your eyes on where anyone is correct and where anyone is lying whether they are a hero to you or not.</description>
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<p>     If I may quickly add a point about Bill Clinton&#39;s South Carolina Narrative: he could have said, winning SC does not guarantee the nomination and looked to John Edwards&#39; victory in 2004 in that primary. Edwards, like Obama, was a Senator. 2004 was 4 years ago.</p>
<p>     Instead, he compared Obama to Jesse Jackson, a man who had NEVER been elected to office and went back 20 and 24 years!!!! to get his comparison.</p>
<p>I loved Bill Clinton and voted for he and Hillary twice each. But I excused them both way too often. Her debating strategy and his angry and obviously sly attacks on Obama have made me feel like an almost 60 year old fool.</p>
<p>Morale for me? Just because someone has bad and real enemies, that does not mean that person is good.</p>
<p>I pray to the God I believe in (I am a more than once a week liberal church-goer) that I stop making excuses for my friends. I loved your site since I discovered it because you keep your eyes on where anyone is correct and where anyone is lying whether they are a hero to you or not.</p>
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		<title>By: Rudi</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rudi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clenis is now &quot;pimping his charitable foundation on Billary&#039;s behalf. What does uranium mining, Frank &quot;newcomer to uranium mining&quot; Giustra  and Kazakhstan have in common? In many voters minds it&#039;s now - Anybody But Clinton/Bush (ABCB).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clenis is now &#8220;pimping his charitable foundation on Billary&#39;s behalf. What does uranium mining, Frank &#8220;newcomer to uranium mining&#8221; Giustra  and Kazakhstan have in common? In many voters minds it&#39;s now &#8211; Anybody But Clinton/Bush (ABCB).</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 13:15:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;You might want to go to the link below and contact all of these sites and let them know Bill Clinton never played the race card. You could do some more research and you can then contact all of the editors of major newspapers and magazines, plus the wire services, and let them know their definition is wrong.&lt;/i&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Considering how often all those people are wrong, I&#039;ll stick to someone who&#039;s been right when all those people were wrong, Professor Krugman and here is his take on said race card &lt;a href=&quot;http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/on-race-cards-and-all-that/&quot;&gt;On race cards and all that&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;If Obama wins, and I hope he doesn&#039;t, you are going to have a chance to see what the race card looks like. I hope that you and the rest of the Press will be as sensitive to the race card as you are right now, but I am not expecting it,  IOKIYAR.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>You might want to go to the link below and contact all of these sites and let them know Bill Clinton never played the race card. You could do some more research and you can then contact all of the editors of major newspapers and magazines, plus the wire services, and let them know their definition is wrong.</i></p>
<p>Considering how often all those people are wrong, I&#39;ll stick to someone who&#39;s been right when all those people were wrong, Professor Krugman and here is his take on said race card <a href="http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/11/on-race-cards-and-all-that/">On race cards and all that</a>.</p>
<p>If Obama wins, and I hope he doesn&#39;t, you are going to have a chance to see what the race card looks like. I hope that you and the rest of the Press will be as sensitive to the race card as you are right now, but I am not expecting it,  IOKIYAR.</p>
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		<title>By: manasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>manasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 12:48:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Joe I really appreciate your response on this topic. I liked the way you gave the facts about the statements and your response. It&#039;s good to be back in the old TMV that I came to enjoy. I will be back more often now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Joe I really appreciate your response on this topic. I liked the way you gave the facts about the statements and your response. It&#39;s good to be back in the old TMV that I came to enjoy. I will be back more often now.</p>
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		<title>By: joegandelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>joegandelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:14:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>After putting up that link, it said the article isn&#039;t there. So here&#039;s the beginning of this article. This is silly since you know he played it and this is typical of the kind of thing in comments that occurs...and why I don&#039;t read them, unlike most other bloggers. There is a lot of game playing. But in case any readers truly think this was no issue: Eugene Robinson:&lt;br&gt;(column begins)&lt;br&gt;Playing the race card against Barack Obama didn&#039;t work quite the way Bill Clinton had hoped. Neither did a reported last-minute personal appeal to keep Ted Kennedy from joining the Obama crusade. The question is whether the Clintons understand how the country has changed.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;On Saturday, a reporter asked Bill about Obama&#039;s boast that it took two Clintons to try to beat him. Bill replied: &quot;Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in &#039;84 and &#039;88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The only possible reason for invoking Jackson&#039;s name was to telegraph the following message: Barack Obama is black, so if a lot of black people decide to vote for him -- doubtless out of racial solidarity -- it doesn&#039;t mean squat.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And the reasons to send that message would be to devalue an Obama victory in South Carolina; to inoculate the Clinton campaign against potential losses in Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee -- Southern states with large African-American populations -- next Tuesday; and, most important, to pigeonhole Obama as &quot;a black candidate&quot; as opposed to &quot;a candidate who, among other characteristics, is black.&quot; &lt;br&gt;(end of excerpt)&lt;br&gt;There a many many more blog posts, columnists, major editorials, cartoons (which we ran on tmv). Click on our Bill Clinton category and read our posts.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is widely reported...including by Robert Novak...that Bill Clinton&#039;s actions are what caused Teddy Kennedy to endorse Obama. And why some independent voters are balkiing at Hillary Clinton -- who as a candidate on her own, has grown enormously, been by all accounts an excellent New York Senator and didn&#039;t need the kind of polarizing &quot;help&quot; that her husband has gifted her. &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;And with that...hasta luego</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After putting up that link, it said the article isn&#39;t there. So here&#39;s the beginning of this article. This is silly since you know he played it and this is typical of the kind of thing in comments that occurs&#8230;and why I don&#39;t read them, unlike most other bloggers. There is a lot of game playing. But in case any readers truly think this was no issue: Eugene Robinson:<br />(column begins)<br />Playing the race card against Barack Obama didn&#39;t work quite the way Bill Clinton had hoped. Neither did a reported last-minute personal appeal to keep Ted Kennedy from joining the Obama crusade. The question is whether the Clintons understand how the country has changed.</p>
<p>On Saturday, a reporter asked Bill about Obama&#39;s boast that it took two Clintons to try to beat him. Bill replied: &#8220;Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in &#39;84 and &#39;88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.&#8221;</p>
<p>The only possible reason for invoking Jackson&#39;s name was to telegraph the following message: Barack Obama is black, so if a lot of black people decide to vote for him &#8212; doubtless out of racial solidarity &#8212; it doesn&#39;t mean squat.</p>
<p>And the reasons to send that message would be to devalue an Obama victory in South Carolina; to inoculate the Clinton campaign against potential losses in Georgia, Alabama and Tennessee &#8212; Southern states with large African-American populations &#8212; next Tuesday; and, most important, to pigeonhole Obama as &#8220;a black candidate&#8221; as opposed to &#8220;a candidate who, among other characteristics, is black.&#8221; <br />(end of excerpt)<br />There a many many more blog posts, columnists, major editorials, cartoons (which we ran on tmv). Click on our Bill Clinton category and read our posts.</p>
<p>It is widely reported&#8230;including by Robert Novak&#8230;that Bill Clinton&#39;s actions are what caused Teddy Kennedy to endorse Obama. And why some independent voters are balkiing at Hillary Clinton &#8212; who as a candidate on her own, has grown enormously, been by all accounts an excellent New York Senator and didn&#39;t need the kind of polarizing &#8220;help&#8221; that her husband has gifted her. </p>
<p>And with that&#8230;hasta luego</p>
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		<title>By: joegandelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>joegandelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 07:07:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You might want to go to the link below and contact all of these sites and let them know Bill Clinton never played the race card. You could do some more research and you can then contact all of the editors of major newspapers and magazines, plus the wire services, and let them know their definition is wrong. But, alas, this is all game playing so this is my last comment on this. A can of ravioli on the shelf at Stop and Shop in New Haven Connecticut is aware of the controversy over Mr.Clinton.&lt;br&gt;But since you were nice enough to offer me a link to go to (I reall don&#039;t have time for it...i&#039;m on a trip right now and have to choose between doing posts and comments and I choose the posts) here is a link that will give you lots to do in contacting all of these websites and also the source material so you can contact the editors whose  news outlet material the linked to.  The issue isn&#039;t Ted Kennedy, or  anyone else. It&#039;s Bill Clinton&#039;s comments that have turned off many people such as independent voters like myself who defended him during impeachment and voted for him:&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla%253Aen-US%253Aofficial&amp;hl=en&amp;ned=us&amp;q=bill+clinton+race+card&amp;sa=N&amp;tab=nw&quot;&gt;http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&amp;r...&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;The Harold Call me commercial was soundly condemned on this site. It was race baiting as were Mr. Clinton&#039;s comments that got him into so much trouble with the press and led to him keeping a lower profile...for a while. The difference was the Harold commercial came from Republicans; Mr. Clinton is a democrat. It&#039;s irrelevant what party someone belongs to.  The comments he made in the post above are NOT playing the race card. And with that, I leave you to continue to deny and issue that was a huge issue in the press was an issue at all.  &lt;br&gt;ALSO: Be SURE to let columnists such as The Washington Post&#039;s Eugene Robinson know that Bill Clinton never played the race card. Here&#039;s his column. You can start with him (there many other columnists, conservative and liberal, who dealt with this issue).&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/OPINIhttp://www.google.com/search?q=bill+clinton+race+card&amp;hl=en&amp;client=firefox-a&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;start=10&amp;sa=NON03/801290312/1129/SPORTS0104&quot;&gt;http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might want to go to the link below and contact all of these sites and let them know Bill Clinton never played the race card. You could do some more research and you can then contact all of the editors of major newspapers and magazines, plus the wire services, and let them know their definition is wrong. But, alas, this is all game playing so this is my last comment on this. A can of ravioli on the shelf at Stop and Shop in New Haven Connecticut is aware of the controversy over Mr.Clinton.<br />But since you were nice enough to offer me a link to go to (I reall don&#39;t have time for it&#8230;i&#39;m on a trip right now and have to choose between doing posts and comments and I choose the posts) here is a link that will give you lots to do in contacting all of these websites and also the source material so you can contact the editors whose  news outlet material the linked to.  The issue isn&#39;t Ted Kennedy, or  anyone else. It&#39;s Bill Clinton&#39;s comments that have turned off many people such as independent voters like myself who defended him during impeachment and voted for him:<br /><a href="http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla%253Aen-US%253Aofficial&#038;hl=en&#038;ned=us&#038;q=bill+clinton+race+card&#038;sa=N&#038;tab=nw">http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&#038;r&#8230;</a></p>
<p>The Harold Call me commercial was soundly condemned on this site. It was race baiting as were Mr. Clinton&#39;s comments that got him into so much trouble with the press and led to him keeping a lower profile&#8230;for a while. The difference was the Harold commercial came from Republicans; Mr. Clinton is a democrat. It&#39;s irrelevant what party someone belongs to.  The comments he made in the post above are NOT playing the race card. And with that, I leave you to continue to deny and issue that was a huge issue in the press was an issue at all.  <br />ALSO: Be SURE to let columnists such as The Washington Post&#39;s Eugene Robinson know that Bill Clinton never played the race card. Here&#39;s his column. You can start with him (there many other columnists, conservative and liberal, who dealt with this issue).<br /><a href="http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080129/OPINIhttp://www.google.com/search?q=bill+clinton+race+card&#038;hl=en&#038;client=firefox-a&#038;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&#038;start=10&#038;sa=NON03/801290312/1129/SPORTS0104">http://www.detroitnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl&#8230;</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chad</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 06:27:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean Bill Clinton made an inaccurate statement? Hmmm....And certainly, no one would debate you on the moon, Joe. Everyone knows it&#039;s made of cheese. But don&#039;t take my word for it, just ask Ted Kennedy. I hear he&#039;s honest.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean Bill Clinton made an inaccurate statement? Hmmm&#8230;.And certainly, no one would debate you on the moon, Joe. Everyone knows it&#39;s made of cheese. But don&#39;t take my word for it, just ask Ted Kennedy. I hear he&#39;s honest.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:52:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously you and I have different definitions of race baiting, let me introduce you to real race baiting &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smE1Es-8QA&quot;&gt;YouTube - Harold call me&lt;/a&gt;. Now can you see the difference?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously you and I have different definitions of race baiting, let me introduce you to real race baiting <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1smE1Es-8QA">YouTube &#8211; Harold call me</a>. Now can you see the difference?</p>
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		<title>By: StockBoySF</title>
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		<dc:creator>StockBoySF</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:49:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Given that we&#039;ll be seeing more of these types of comments, not just by Bill, but by the various campaigns and their spouses (and those pesky &quot;surrogates&quot;)- though I hope not too many by Obama :) I think I&#039;ll start keeping a scorecard.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Thanks, Joe for giving me my first entry.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Given that we&#39;ll be seeing more of these types of comments, not just by Bill, but by the various campaigns and their spouses (and those pesky &#8220;surrogates&#8221;)- though I hope not too many by Obama <img src='http://themoderatevoice.com/wordpress-engine/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I think I&#39;ll start keeping a scorecard.  </p>
<p>Thanks, Joe for giving me my first entry.</p>
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		<title>By: joegandelman</title>
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		<dc:creator>joegandelman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is that a joke? Go to google and see the reaction to his comments after Obama won South Carolina. In addition, cartoonists had a field day with that comment. There were charges before that that he was raising it in subtle was and denied it. We ran several cagle cartoons with that as the theme. Sorry, I&#039;m not going to rehash what was out there in the media for a LONG time. Go and read some of the columns by top columnists. Go to categories on tmv and read all of our posts on bill clintons campaigning. His comments after south carolina that oh, jessie jackson won there before (pointing to jackon&#039;s win there in the 80s and not to the NONBLACK candidates who won there in the past) was widely condemned as raising the race card.  I&#039;m NOT going get into a debate in comments over something that was widely covered in the news. It&#039;s like debating whether the moon is the moon. Read our posts under the Bill Clinton category, check out the links and google his comments after obama won south carolina and see what columnists and editorial writesr and bloggers wrote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is that a joke? Go to google and see the reaction to his comments after Obama won South Carolina. In addition, cartoonists had a field day with that comment. There were charges before that that he was raising it in subtle was and denied it. We ran several cagle cartoons with that as the theme. Sorry, I&#39;m not going to rehash what was out there in the media for a LONG time. Go and read some of the columns by top columnists. Go to categories on tmv and read all of our posts on bill clintons campaigning. His comments after south carolina that oh, jessie jackson won there before (pointing to jackon&#39;s win there in the 80s and not to the NONBLACK candidates who won there in the past) was widely condemned as raising the race card.  I&#39;m NOT going get into a debate in comments over something that was widely covered in the news. It&#39;s like debating whether the moon is the moon. Read our posts under the Bill Clinton category, check out the links and google his comments after obama won south carolina and see what columnists and editorial writesr and bloggers wrote.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
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		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 05:17:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When did President Clinton play the race card?</description>
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