Comments on: Raising Arizona, McCain and Goldwater

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Sun, 10 Feb 2008 15:33:26 +0000

DLS- The unrest and riots were due to an unpopular war and the civil rights movement. Don't forget Goldwater voted against the 1964 Voting Rights Act. He was no moderate.

By: DLS

DLS — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:10:15 +0000

1964 indeed was, as the title of one book puts it, “Liberalism's Last Hurrah.”

The New Deal won, and we got the Great Society, unrest, riots, and a degradation of leftism and liberalism once radicalism took hold that has stained the Democrats since then and wrought failures which were why Reagan won in 1980. The Left has been reactionary as well as resentful ever since. The hatred of Bush is mentally ill but there was plenty of hatred for Reagan as well. Hopefully some have learned by then. The Clintons tried to lurch left after election in 1992 and faced the 1994 elections as a reply from the US public. The resulting “Third Way” was mere incrementalism or a “half-a-loaf” version of what they would have preferred, and if there were no public or conservative opposition, they would have tried going even farther left. (Some folks never learn!)

By: DLS

DLS — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 23:06:32 +0000

Goldwater was the subject of innumerable slimy attacks by those who loathed any challenge to the domination of modern New Deal welfare-state, bureaucratic-elite liberalism and the Democratic Party at the time.

He was subject to vicious attacks as well as appeals to emotion of the vote-bought. For example: Will dinosaur Schorr ever admit he was wrong, and apologize to Goldwater posthumously. (No wonder he's featured on NPR!)

http://brian.carnell.com/articles/2001/daniel-s...

In all fairness, there's an interesting aspect to McCain as Goldwater here, notably in the reader remarks, for Hillary Clinton has already demonstrated in the previous decade that she's the next Nixon (worse, already, in fact).

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conse...

More on Goldwater here. This is not McCain, no straight or inverse analogy.

http://www.reason.com/news/show/28337.html

By: Holly_in_Cincinnati

Holly_in_Cincinnati — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:09:45 +0000

Goldwater would be considered moderate today.

By: kritt11

kritt11 — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:48:59 +0000

DLS-
Goldwater was extreme for the '60's, which is why LBJ won the '64 election in a landslide. He wanted to use nuclear weapons in Vietnam, which is pretty radical.

By: DLS

DLS — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:44:22 +0000

Most readers probably know already that evangelicals (many of whom continue to support Huckabee) are not the main group opposed to McCain, much less the only ones. [sigh]

By: DLS

DLS — Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:20:28 +0000

1. You were correct to put the word “extremism” in quotes, because about Goldwater, that word was a scummy lie.

2. McCain is hardly any kind of Goldwater, and 2008 is not analogous in any way to 1964.