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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152875</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2005/11/dodging-bullet-tort-immunity-for-gun.php&quot;&gt;Dodging the Bullet: Tort Immunity for Gun Makers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Last week, President Bush created a significant exception to that principle when he signed the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a federal law that gives the gun industry a broad, nationwide immunity from legal responsibility for its actions. If the legislation survives constitutional challenges, gun makers and dealers will enjoy a level of protection from tort liability shared by no other industry. &lt;br&gt;...&lt;br&gt;The statute generally bars claims brought against manufacturers, sellers, or trade associations concerning harm resulting from illegal misuse of a firearm or ammunition. In other words, if Beretta carelessly distributes a firearm in a way that makes it easy for a criminal to obtain it, Beretta will have no liability to the victims of murders, assaults, robberies, or other crimes committed with the gun.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brought to you by a Republican Senate, House and President and a bunch of quisling democrats.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now if some good citizen in Jesusland gets his ass blown away by some pissed off kid or deranged individual who just bought a truck full guns from the local gun dealer, don&#039;t come crying to me, they are getting exactly what they voted for.</description>
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<p><b>Last week, President Bush created a significant exception to that principle when he signed the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a federal law that gives the gun industry a broad, nationwide immunity from legal responsibility for its actions. If the legislation survives constitutional challenges, gun makers and dealers will enjoy a level of protection from tort liability shared by no other industry. <br />&#8230;<br />The statute generally bars claims brought against manufacturers, sellers, or trade associations concerning harm resulting from illegal misuse of a firearm or ammunition. In other words, if Beretta carelessly distributes a firearm in a way that makes it easy for a criminal to obtain it, Beretta will have no liability to the victims of murders, assaults, robberies, or other crimes committed with the gun.</b></p>
<p>Brought to you by a Republican Senate, House and President and a bunch of quisling democrats.</p>
<p>Now if some good citizen in Jesusland gets his ass blown away by some pissed off kid or deranged individual who just bought a truck full guns from the local gun dealer, don&#39;t come crying to me, they are getting exactly what they voted for.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152878</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 10 Feb 2008 13:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://jurist.law.pitt.edu/forumy/2005/11/dodging-bullet-tort-immunity-for-gun.php&quot;&gt;Dodging the Bullet: Tort Immunity for Gun Makers&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;b&gt;Last week, President Bush created a significant exception to that principle when he signed the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a federal law that gives the gun industry a broad, nationwide immunity from legal responsibility for its actions. If the legislation survives constitutional challenges, gun makers and dealers will enjoy a level of protection from tort liability shared by no other industry. &lt;br&gt;...&lt;br&gt;The statute generally bars claims brought against manufacturers, sellers, or trade associations concerning harm resulting from illegal misuse of a firearm or ammunition. In other words, if Beretta carelessly distributes a firearm in a way that makes it easy for a criminal to obtain it, Beretta will have no liability to the victims of murders, assaults, robberies, or other crimes committed with the gun.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Brought to you by a Republican Senate, House and President and a bunch of quisling democrats.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Now if some good citizen in Jesusland gets his ass blown away by some pissed off kid or deranged individual who just bought a truck full guns from the local gun dealer, don&#039;t come crying to me, they are getting exactly what they voted for.</description>
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<p><b>Last week, President Bush created a significant exception to that principle when he signed the “Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act,” a federal law that gives the gun industry a broad, nationwide immunity from legal responsibility for its actions. If the legislation survives constitutional challenges, gun makers and dealers will enjoy a level of protection from tort liability shared by no other industry. <br />&#8230;<br />The statute generally bars claims brought against manufacturers, sellers, or trade associations concerning harm resulting from illegal misuse of a firearm or ammunition. In other words, if Beretta carelessly distributes a firearm in a way that makes it easy for a criminal to obtain it, Beretta will have no liability to the victims of murders, assaults, robberies, or other crimes committed with the gun.</b></p>
<p>Brought to you by a Republican Senate, House and President and a bunch of quisling democrats.</p>
<p>Now if some good citizen in Jesusland gets his ass blown away by some pissed off kid or deranged individual who just bought a truck full guns from the local gun dealer, don&#39;t come crying to me, they are getting exactly what they voted for.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152871</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While DQ chooses to wallow as usual in the sewer, I&#039;ll remind people that the laws can always be changed.  That includes the Constitution.  (Just do it the right way, through the legislative and amendment process, not by misusing the courts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While DQ chooses to wallow as usual in the sewer, I&#39;ll remind people that the laws can always be changed.  That includes the Constitution.  (Just do it the right way, through the legislative and amendment process, not by misusing the courts.)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152874</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 21:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While DQ chooses to wallow as usual in the sewer, I&#039;ll remind people that the laws can always be changed.  That includes the Constitution.  (Just do it the right way, through the legislative and amendment process, not by misusing the courts.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While DQ chooses to wallow as usual in the sewer, I&#39;ll remind people that the laws can always be changed.  That includes the Constitution.  (Just do it the right way, through the legislative and amendment process, not by misusing the courts.)</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152867</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprises here. Public policy has been to let  any jack-ass with a pulse get their hands on guns, here are the expected results.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is my most sincere hope that all the people who got their asses shot are NRA members and Republicans who have spent the last thirty years preventing any sort of gun regulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprises here. Public policy has been to let  any jack-ass with a pulse get their hands on guns, here are the expected results.</p>
<p>It is my most sincere hope that all the people who got their asses shot are NRA members and Republicans who have spent the last thirty years preventing any sort of gun regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: Don Quijote</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152873</link>
		<dc:creator>Don Quijote</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 13:55:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No surprises here. Public policy has been to let  any jack-ass with a pulse get their hands on guns, here are the expected results.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It is my most sincere hope that all the people who got their asses shot are NRA members and Republicans who have spent the last thirty years preventing any sort of gun regulation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No surprises here. Public policy has been to let  any jack-ass with a pulse get their hands on guns, here are the expected results.</p>
<p>It is my most sincere hope that all the people who got their asses shot are NRA members and Republicans who have spent the last thirty years preventing any sort of gun regulation.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152866</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be in STL metro not this weekend but next weekend and I may head through there (there were a couple of stores there I used to patronize when I lived in U. City) and see if anyone left flowers by the city buildings, etc.  Maybe by then this story will be in the lefty-leaning free weekly (Riverfront Times or RFT).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll be in STL metro not this weekend but next weekend and I may head through there (there were a couple of stores there I used to patronize when I lived in U. City) and see if anyone left flowers by the city buildings, etc.  Maybe by then this story will be in the lefty-leaning free weekly (Riverfront Times or RFT).</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152870</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Feb 2008 00:57:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ll be in STL metro not this weekend but next weekend and I may head through there (there were a couple of stores there I used to patronize when I lived in U. City) and see if anyone left flowers by the city buildings, etc.  Maybe by then this story will be in the lefty-leaning free weekly (Riverfront Times or RFT).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#39;ll be in STL metro not this weekend but next weekend and I may head through there (there were a couple of stores there I used to patronize when I lived in U. City) and see if anyone left flowers by the city buildings, etc.  Maybe by then this story will be in the lefty-leaning free weekly (Riverfront Times or RFT).</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152863</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right then, certified nutjob it is.</description>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152865</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 23:22:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Right then, certified nutjob it is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Right then, certified nutjob it is.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152861</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html&quot;&gt;http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html">http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152864</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html&quot;&gt;http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html">http://www.kansascity.com/116/story/481231.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152860</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So whats the story on the shooter?   This is going to sound awful, but I&#039;m betting he had a legitimate grievance with the city and flipped out.   I&#039;ve been screwed over by corrupt officials before, and let me tell you after you realize you have no recourse against the well connected, this particular fantasy will pop up in your head.  I can&#039;t believe anyone would actually do it though.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then again maybe he was just naturally crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whats the story on the shooter?   This is going to sound awful, but I&#39;m betting he had a legitimate grievance with the city and flipped out.   I&#39;ve been screwed over by corrupt officials before, and let me tell you after you realize you have no recourse against the well connected, this particular fantasy will pop up in your head.  I can&#39;t believe anyone would actually do it though.  </p>
<p>Then again maybe he was just naturally crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: Slamfu</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152862</link>
		<dc:creator>Slamfu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 20:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So whats the story on the shooter?   This is going to sound awful, but I&#039;m betting he had a legitimate grievance with the city and flipped out.   I&#039;ve been screwed over by corrupt officials before, and let me tell you after you realize you have no recourse against the well connected, this particular fantasy will pop up in your head.  I can&#039;t believe anyone would actually do it though.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Then again maybe he was just naturally crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So whats the story on the shooter?   This is going to sound awful, but I&#39;m betting he had a legitimate grievance with the city and flipped out.   I&#39;ve been screwed over by corrupt officials before, and let me tell you after you realize you have no recourse against the well connected, this particular fantasy will pop up in your head.  I can&#39;t believe anyone would actually do it though.  </p>
<p>Then again maybe he was just naturally crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152859</link>
		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:49:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Make love, not war!</description>
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		<title>By: Jammer</title>
		<link>http://themoderatevoice.com/17662/insanity-in-the-heartland/comment-page-1/#comment-152858</link>
		<dc:creator>Jammer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 19:29:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a St. Louis resident too.  I must say that gun control is not the way to approach the analysis of this disaster.  Our problem is not guns, it is the incredibly violent society we live in.  We spend a great deal of time censoring sex, and no time at all reducing the violence our society is exposed to.  From movies, to TV  shows, to video games, bloody awful violence is celebrated.  We diss people like Tipper Gore and Hillery Clinton for making an issue out of this, but they are right and have been for a long time.  It starts with good parenting to keep young children away from gratuitous violence, but this is a societal problem that must be addressed directly.  Censor the violence.  Encourage the sex.  That will give you a less violent society.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a St. Louis resident too.  I must say that gun control is not the way to approach the analysis of this disaster.  Our problem is not guns, it is the incredibly violent society we live in.  We spend a great deal of time censoring sex, and no time at all reducing the violence our society is exposed to.  From movies, to TV  shows, to video games, bloody awful violence is celebrated.  We diss people like Tipper Gore and Hillery Clinton for making an issue out of this, but they are right and have been for a long time.  It starts with good parenting to keep young children away from gratuitous violence, but this is a societal problem that must be addressed directly.  Censor the violence.  Encourage the sex.  That will give you a less violent society.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>(Taiwan tests were in 1996; I was in PHX from 1996-1998, then headed east)</description>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:42:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Is the answer really that all of those victims should have been armed to protect themselves?&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;No.  Who&#039;s to say all of them -- or more to the point, all of society, potential victims -- is any more competent than the shooter this time?  &quot;An armed society is a polite society&quot; is an incomplete picture.  It&#039;s a tense and more-dangerous society as well.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;A way to look at gun control logically is to view it the same way you would view WMD and delivery-system proliferation.  Not only should the bad ones not have these things -- they cannot be trusted and they are undeserving -- but the more of them in the hands of the worse characters only increases the chances of disaster.  (Would we want every Middle Eastern nation to be missile- and nuclear-armed?  After destroying Israel they would be destroying each other, maybe even before attacking Israel.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Is the answer really that all of those victims should have been armed to protect themselves?&#8221;</p>
<p>No.  Who&#39;s to say all of them &#8212; or more to the point, all of society, potential victims &#8212; is any more competent than the shooter this time?  &#8220;An armed society is a polite society&#8221; is an incomplete picture.  It&#39;s a tense and more-dangerous society as well.</p>
<p>A way to look at gun control logically is to view it the same way you would view WMD and delivery-system proliferation.  Not only should the bad ones not have these things &#8212; they cannot be trusted and they are undeserving &#8212; but the more of them in the hands of the worse characters only increases the chances of disaster.  (Would we want every Middle Eastern nation to be missile- and nuclear-armed?  After destroying Israel they would be destroying each other, maybe even before attacking Israel.)</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:38:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It&#039;s truly terrifying sometimes, how closely interconnected we all are.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s especially noteworthy to me here in the East, where I&#039;ve lived for many years now (since 1998 -- tenth anniversary is next month -- remember the Chinese missile &quot;tests&quot; near Taiwan?).  Do you remember discussions on and after 9/11?  People either directly or through not more than two or three levels of indirection at least one or more persons who were killed that day where I was working at the time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It&#39;s truly terrifying sometimes, how closely interconnected we all are.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#39;s especially noteworthy to me here in the East, where I&#39;ve lived for many years now (since 1998 &#8212; tenth anniversary is next month &#8212; remember the Chinese missile &#8220;tests&#8221; near Taiwan?).  Do you remember discussions on and after 9/11?  People either directly or through not more than two or three levels of indirection at least one or more persons who were killed that day where I was working at the time.</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Feb 2008 18:36:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gun control is not a process of maturity.  Don&#039;t engage in lefty euphemism or conceit.</description>
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