Comments on: On Obama’s Super Tuesday Win (and other reflections on the presidential race)

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:26:57 +0000

If you thought the Democratic race overshadowed the GOP race earlier, now just wait.

Obama will debate Clinton in Cleveland and somewhere in Texas (Austin would be my choice if I were the chooser) before the primaries there.

The Dem race has already been more interesting anyway because of proportional awarding of delegates rather than winner-take-all. And then there are those other, extra super-delegates:

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120241780172051...

By: DLS

DLS — Fri, 08 Feb 2008 05:26:57 +0000

By: DLS

DLS — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:11:50 +0000

"Mac will try to portray Hill as establishment with him as a maverick"

If he were honest, he'd say he remains less of a Dem than Hillary is. All he has to say is "I am not Hillary Clinton, nor as bad as she" and he deserves to be elected. That's likely his only possible strategy, anyway.

Some of us saw Obama as Clinton's VP back in 2004, but things have changed now. Clinton needs an order-taker or a DC Dem fixture (long-termer), either solidly in the party leadership or a dim bulb such as Patty Murray (D-WA), someone who will be nothing but cooperative.

By: DLS

DLS — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 22:08:03 +0000

The truth is, on Tuesday, Hillary Clinton regained her footing and once again is the presumptive nominee (the smart-money candidate). [sigh] However, all is not lost. Not only did Obama do better than expected in the larger states (and he won in several others), but

Now if only Clinton cannot cheat and get the Florida and Michigan delegates forced into the convention. (I figure she'll try to engineer something with the super-delegates, no matter what.) If their delegates may be seated, it's time for a caucus in Michigan and Florida first.

By: cosmoetica

cosmoetica — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:55:18 +0000

Yes, I will not vote D if Hill is the nom, because she and Bill long ago screwed the working class, but the ability of Obama to get $ from the masses shows he's the people's choice, not Hill- the corporate choice.

By: BBQ

BBQ — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 20:04:34 +0000

I know a lot of Obama voters (including Republicans) who have an anyone but Hillary attitude. Doesn't mean there aren't genuine Obama supporters just like there isn't genuine Clinton supporters.

You sound like you might be in that anyone but Hillary crowd.

By: cosmoetica

cosmoetica — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:39:16 +0000

BBQ- Hillary has the special interests who send their sheeple in to vote. I've watched dozens of campaign events on C-Span, R & D, and only Obama (and a bit w Edwards) got genuine reactions and passion.

The Hill voters want anyone but a Repub. They are not big on Hillary. The Obama folk want Obama- even if he was from Mars.

That is what it means to be the candidate of the people, not the establishment. The fact that McCain has taken the r nod means that the Dems need Obama more than before because Mac will try to portray Hill as establishment with him as a maverick. Not true, but the perception is that it is. He can't do that to Obama.

By: Michael Stickings

Michael Stickings — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 19:30:10 +0000

I'm not sure he'd be Hillary's veep choice, Holly. He is a genuine phenomenon now, after all. Would he be willing to put that aside to be in the Clinton White House, not just with Hillary but will Bill and all of the old Clintonistas? I agree he'd boost Hillary's chances against McCain, though, if that's what it comes to.

By: U.s. Presidential Primary » On Obama’s Super Tuesday Win (and other reflections on the presidential race)

Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:37:07 +0000

[...] The Moderate Voice – Domestic and international news analysis, irreverent comments, original reporti… wrote an interesting post today on On Obamaâ??s Super Tuesday Win (and other reflections on the presidential race)Here’s a quick excerpt I spent much of yesterday thinking about Super Tuesday and voraciously reading whatever I could get my hands on (rather, whatever I could click on). I stand by my initial view, expressed in the early-morning hours after California was called, that Obama won. By that, I don’t just mean he won more states (which he did) and delegates (which he also did) but that he won by blocking Clinton’s path to victory and by putting himself in a position to win the nomination, as well as by gaining both cred [...]

By: BBQ

BBQ — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:36:50 +0000

Cosmo, she is the party of the people just not your people. Look I don't like her either but she is getting support from the Democrats. She is leading with elderly, Latinos and the working class. That hardly is pure establishment. And today I saw that she actually won slightly more votes than Obama if you looked at Super Tuesday as a national popular vote.

By: Holly_in_Cincinnati

Holly_in_Cincinnati — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:29:30 +0000

Actually, Michael, Barack Obama will make a good VP for Hillary Clinton. Otherwise, the Democratic Party will lose an unbelievable number of votes, volunteers and donations and John McCain will be our next President.

By: pacatrue

pacatrue — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 18:04:08 +0000

As for Hawaii, in some ways it's hard to predict how they will behave. As the 38th or 39th state to vote, and a small one, I don't think we are used to anyone caring and so the institutions for running the vote are probably not strongly developed. On the Clinton side, Hawaiians are pretty traditionalist and party supporters. We've kept both our Senators in office for literally decades. But you'd have to think Obama would take the state because he lived here for a few years, attending Punahou School, the state's premier private school. The chowder shop I frequent has had a poster of Obama on the window, advertising that he ate there in the 70s, for months. And Hawaiians like nothing more than someone with a Hawaii connection. They always vote local.

By: Mike_P

Mike_P — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:42:45 +0000

Seems like an accurate summation of how I feel as well. The key will be Obama performing well in those races leading up to Penn/Ohio/TX. If he does well, then I can't see Clinton overcoming the momentum he takes into those states. If he underperforms in the run-up however, Clinton is much more likely to pull it off, it seems to me.

By: Davebo

Davebo — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:40:05 +0000

Obama is getting into phenomenom territory of late. I just hope he can sustain the “surge” he's experienced.

By: cosmoetica

cosmoetica — Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:35:23 +0000

If the post above this is true, with Mitt Romney bowing out, one can only hope that Hillary will do so if she loses a bit more the next few weeks. I think it wd change alot of minds if she finally put the nation ahead of her own ego (not that I'm counting on it).

The most impressive thing about Obama is that he is the only candidate with a genuinely growing base of support. Hill lent herself $5 mill and the Obamaniacs raised $6 mill in a few days to counter her.

In short, Hill is not the candidate of the 'people', but of the establishment, and Obama and Mac will be a sure sign of that on both sides, with a VERY clear and divergent choice, one which Hill and Mac cannot produce.