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	<title>Comments on: The Democrats: 48 Years and a Lifetime Later, In the Presence of Greatness. Again</title>
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		<title>By: Kanzeon</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kanzeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Feb 2008 06:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;ve got to be kidding.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama recites Republican talking points and pledges bipartisanship, &quot;reaching across the aisle.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;It&#039;s a stale line, a trite empty promise. I have no idea why he would want to work with the Republicans that have marched in lockstep with the Bush administration the last eight years.  His policies are virtually identical to Clinton&#039;s.  He isn&#039;t offering change, he&#039;s offering the oldest empty promise there is.  You can determine it&#039;s empty, because he has NO specifics.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Whenever someone compares him to Kennedy, I remember that Kennedy won with the thinnest popular vote margin in history - against the least charismatic man in modern politics, Richard Nixon.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;McCain can beat Obama.  He is a proven centrist, at least as far as the media is concerned, and an experienced legislator, a war hero, and has foreign policy credentials.  McCain might defeat Clinton as well, because of the baggage of the long assault on the Clintons.  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Obama&#039;s substanceless talk about hope might put him over the top in the general.  But I doubt it&#039;s going to go very far when things get nasty.  But please, act like an educated, rational individual, and stop waxing poetic about your dead heroes.  It&#039;s embarrassing for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#39;ve got to be kidding.</p>
<p>Obama recites Republican talking points and pledges bipartisanship, &#8220;reaching across the aisle.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#39;s a stale line, a trite empty promise. I have no idea why he would want to work with the Republicans that have marched in lockstep with the Bush administration the last eight years.  His policies are virtually identical to Clinton&#39;s.  He isn&#39;t offering change, he&#39;s offering the oldest empty promise there is.  You can determine it&#39;s empty, because he has NO specifics.</p>
<p>Whenever someone compares him to Kennedy, I remember that Kennedy won with the thinnest popular vote margin in history &#8211; against the least charismatic man in modern politics, Richard Nixon.</p>
<p>McCain can beat Obama.  He is a proven centrist, at least as far as the media is concerned, and an experienced legislator, a war hero, and has foreign policy credentials.  McCain might defeat Clinton as well, because of the baggage of the long assault on the Clintons.  </p>
<p>Obama&#39;s substanceless talk about hope might put him over the top in the general.  But I doubt it&#39;s going to go very far when things get nasty.  But please, act like an educated, rational individual, and stop waxing poetic about your dead heroes.  It&#39;s embarrassing for you.</p>
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		<title>By: cosmoetica</title>
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		<dc:creator>cosmoetica</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 22:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The claim that Obama is less experienced than Hillary is simply false- he has more legislative experience and both have equal executive experience- zero. Both have similar plans for the war and healthcare. Both are fairly well detailed, although neither are as detailed as Edwards&#039; was, nor as specific. And the R&#039;s simply lack all ideas on the war  and healthcare. But Obama stands taller for one big (and many little) reason- unlike Hillary he is not a proven quitter who plays to political convenience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The claim that Obama is less experienced than Hillary is simply false- he has more legislative experience and both have equal executive experience- zero. Both have similar plans for the war and healthcare. Both are fairly well detailed, although neither are as detailed as Edwards&#39; was, nor as specific. And the R&#39;s simply lack all ideas on the war  and healthcare. But Obama stands taller for one big (and many little) reason- unlike Hillary he is not a proven quitter who plays to political convenience.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike_P</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike_P</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 19:52:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Up until a month or so ago, I was pretty neutral as far as the Democratic candidates went.  I liked Biden, Dodd, Clinton and Obama, and felt I could easily live with any of them as the nominee.  I still feel that way about the last two standing.  Hillary would be a good, competent president.  I think perhaps even better than her husband. But she starts the job with huge swaths of the electorate despising her.  She unifies Republican congresscritters against her every move from day one.  Perhaps she will be good enough to surmount that  gridlock and inspire Congress and the American people to move forward.  But it&#039;ll be a come-from-way-behind victory to pull that off, and given the last 15 years, I have no faith she could, nor do I want those battles to start anew.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;That&#039;s why I&#039;ve come to believe Obama is the perfect candidate at precisely the right time.  I believe he would provide a clean break from the past 15 years at a critical moment.  His policies are perfectly sound, certainly as sound as Hillary&#039;s, McCain&#039;s etc.  Plus he has the personal charisma and leadership ability to inspire the congress and citizenry to move forward.  That is what both Roosevelts had, what Kennedy had, what Reagan had.  No, it doesn&#039;t necessarily mean he&#039;d be another Roosevelt, and Kennedy and Reagan certainly have benefited from myth as much as accomplishment.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;But I think he represents such a break from the recent past that the nation, and also importantly, the world, will want him to succeed, and allow him to succeed more than any other candidate currently running.  And without so much of the drama we have come to accept as &quot;politics as usual.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Up until a month or so ago, I was pretty neutral as far as the Democratic candidates went.  I liked Biden, Dodd, Clinton and Obama, and felt I could easily live with any of them as the nominee.  I still feel that way about the last two standing.  Hillary would be a good, competent president.  I think perhaps even better than her husband. But she starts the job with huge swaths of the electorate despising her.  She unifies Republican congresscritters against her every move from day one.  Perhaps she will be good enough to surmount that  gridlock and inspire Congress and the American people to move forward.  But it&#39;ll be a come-from-way-behind victory to pull that off, and given the last 15 years, I have no faith she could, nor do I want those battles to start anew.</p>
<p>That&#39;s why I&#39;ve come to believe Obama is the perfect candidate at precisely the right time.  I believe he would provide a clean break from the past 15 years at a critical moment.  His policies are perfectly sound, certainly as sound as Hillary&#39;s, McCain&#39;s etc.  Plus he has the personal charisma and leadership ability to inspire the congress and citizenry to move forward.  That is what both Roosevelts had, what Kennedy had, what Reagan had.  No, it doesn&#39;t necessarily mean he&#39;d be another Roosevelt, and Kennedy and Reagan certainly have benefited from myth as much as accomplishment.</p>
<p>But I think he represents such a break from the recent past that the nation, and also importantly, the world, will want him to succeed, and allow him to succeed more than any other candidate currently running.  And without so much of the drama we have come to accept as &#8220;politics as usual.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: DLS</title>
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		<dc:creator>DLS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 16:17:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Comparison to JFK has been silly from the outset.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;More insightful is something like this:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The Kossacks and their activist allies -- who skew toward the Boomers -- believe that Republicans are venal bordering on evil, and that the way Democrats will win elections and hold power is to one-up Karl Rove&#039;s divisive, bare-knuckled tactics. Their opponents within the party -- who skew younger and freer of culture war wounds -- believe that the way to win is offer voters a break from this poisonous tribal warfare and a compelling, inclusive vision for where we want to take the country.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&quot;The best evidence that Kos-ism is about kaput, though, comes from Kos&#039;s mouth himself. Yes, the most delicious irony of this campaign is that the supposed hatemonger is supporting the hopemonger.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Seeing the writing on the wall, as well as on his own blog, Markos Moulitsas -- Kos himself -- rejected the candidacy he himself helped spawn and announced (albeit grudgingly) on Dec. 12 that he would be voting for Mr. Obama via &quot;a process of elimination.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Not exactly the most graceful concession, but the import is undeniable: Hope trumped Kos for Democrats. Now let&#039;s see what it will do for the rest of the country.&quot;&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120191142380836927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj&quot;&gt;http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120191142380836...&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Comparison to JFK has been silly from the outset.</p>
<p>More insightful is something like this:</p>
<p>&#8220;The Kossacks and their activist allies &#8212; who skew toward the Boomers &#8212; believe that Republicans are venal bordering on evil, and that the way Democrats will win elections and hold power is to one-up Karl Rove&#39;s divisive, bare-knuckled tactics. Their opponents within the party &#8212; who skew younger and freer of culture war wounds &#8212; believe that the way to win is offer voters a break from this poisonous tribal warfare and a compelling, inclusive vision for where we want to take the country.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;The best evidence that Kos-ism is about kaput, though, comes from Kos&#39;s mouth himself. Yes, the most delicious irony of this campaign is that the supposed hatemonger is supporting the hopemonger.</p>
<p>Seeing the writing on the wall, as well as on his own blog, Markos Moulitsas &#8212; Kos himself &#8212; rejected the candidacy he himself helped spawn and announced (albeit grudgingly) on Dec. 12 that he would be voting for Mr. Obama via &#8220;a process of elimination.&#8221;</p>
<p>Not exactly the most graceful concession, but the import is undeniable: Hope trumped Kos for Democrats. Now let&#39;s see what it will do for the rest of the country.&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120191142380836927.html?mod=googlenews_wsj"></a><a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120191142380836.." rel="nofollow">http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120191142380836..</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: shaun</title>
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		<dc:creator>shaun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:57:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damozel:&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;So I can infer from your comment that Clinton has done &quot;the politic thing&quot; on Iraq as a senator?  Pray tell what that might be?  &lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Or if elected president, which is a very real and in some senses welcome possibility, she will do &quot;the politic thing&quot; on Iraq, which will be to indefinitely support a war with no endgame that the American people overwhelmingly oppose.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;Is that what you mean by a willingness to take an unpopular stand?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damozel:</p>
<p>So I can infer from your comment that Clinton has done &#8220;the politic thing&#8221; on Iraq as a senator?  Pray tell what that might be?  </p>
<p>Or if elected president, which is a very real and in some senses welcome possibility, she will do &#8220;the politic thing&#8221; on Iraq, which will be to indefinitely support a war with no endgame that the American people overwhelmingly oppose.</p>
<p>Is that what you mean by a willingness to take an unpopular stand?</p>
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		<title>By: DAMOZEL</title>
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		<dc:creator>DAMOZEL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Feb 2008 15:49:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I will personally be happy if I live to see a time when JFK  and Reagan aren&#039;t the respective touchstones of presidential greatness.  Both are touchstones of presidential charisma, but it&#039;s so often the presidents who are less attractive who are most effective in the office.  JFK made a lot of very serious mistakes while in office.  If he&#039;d lived, poor man, I imagine a lot of them would have come home to roost.  And I am not going to say what I think about Ronald Reagan.&lt;br&gt;&lt;br&gt;As for Obama, I see the charisma and the ability to bring an audience to its feet.  But when I look at his platform, I see nothing to make me prefer him to Hillary Clinton.  And while I can at least trust Hillary to do the politic thing in office, I don&#039;t know what Obama will do.  One aspect of an effective president---W got this right at least---is a willingness to take an unpopular stand.   I am okay with that as long as I have substantial faith in the judgment of the person in charge.  I think Obama is persuasive (including on the issue of his judgment), but it seems for his supporters to be more an article of faith.  I have lost all mine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I will personally be happy if I live to see a time when JFK  and Reagan aren&#39;t the respective touchstones of presidential greatness.  Both are touchstones of presidential charisma, but it&#39;s so often the presidents who are less attractive who are most effective in the office.  JFK made a lot of very serious mistakes while in office.  If he&#39;d lived, poor man, I imagine a lot of them would have come home to roost.  And I am not going to say what I think about Ronald Reagan.</p>
<p>As for Obama, I see the charisma and the ability to bring an audience to its feet.  But when I look at his platform, I see nothing to make me prefer him to Hillary Clinton.  And while I can at least trust Hillary to do the politic thing in office, I don&#39;t know what Obama will do.  One aspect of an effective president&#8212;W got this right at least&#8212;is a willingness to take an unpopular stand.   I am okay with that as long as I have substantial faith in the judgment of the person in charge.  I think Obama is persuasive (including on the issue of his judgment), but it seems for his supporters to be more an article of faith.  I have lost all mine.</p>
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		<title>By: Dean's World</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dean's World</dc:creator>
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