And the 2nd q was not touched. Just how do all those Fortune 500 co's swallow such huge losses, year after year? Because the losses are not really what they are claimed.

And, let's return to Paul's opening salvos:

how does the GOP defend giving tax breaks to an industry making eye popping profits on the backs of the US working class?
How do US working class citizens reconcile voting for the GOP?
How does the GOP defend obstructing and undermining efforts to move the US to renewable energy as quickly as possible?

W/o Googling, try answering in your own words, and w/o resort to the Appeal to Authority Fallacy.

You are 0 for 2, in your own methodolgy and not.

Go on, make it a trifecta, kiddo.

Not that many. Most companies that stay in business make money and pay taxes. Of course it's easy to make empty claims that you will make no effort to back up. Except of course to insult anyone who challenges your theory's.

Of course, I don't have the time nor means to create a paper trail. Yet, even had I, you would simply huff and puff, and rail against the Liberal fact, or Libertarian fact, or Communist or this or that fact.

You know as well as I do that the vast amount of things that go on in the world, business, political, etc., have no clear paper trail. This is why Switzerland, the Bahama, and former Soviet Republics are rich.

I simply am not going to play your childish game. I've not the time, nor the will, for, just as I did in the Loan example, I've shown, conclusively, that it was a war crime. That might not suit your politics nor ethics. So? It's a reality, just like my ex-employers getting enough of a government handout to put a quarter of a million welfare moms on fat city.

I've dealt w the reality of the post and tax situation in this nation. You still have not. Again:

how does the GOP defend giving tax breaks to an industry making eye popping profits on the backs of the US working class?
How do US working class citizens reconcile voting for the GOP?
How does the GOP defend obstructing and undermining efforts to move the US to renewable energy as quickly as possible?

Again:

'Ask yourself this- how many huge corporations report 'losses' year after year, yet amazingly stay in business. Is it because the banks bail them out all the time, or because the 'losses' are a mirage in order to dodge their fair share of taxes?'

Because….?

….sound of tumbleweeds rollin' along….

As you age, you learn these things. You can Google away all you want, but how will you find all the under the table dealings that the rich and connected can get and afford, when marked as something else, or, say, were we arguing if the rich pay their fair share, yet ignoring the fact that most offshore their wealth.

I have a close relation who has bragged of doing just that, while also bragging of his good citizenship, then whining about the poor. I argued with Pete Abel a while back about how so few people even recognize a thing as the public commons- Google it. No one, and I mean no one, has ever gotten wealthy without a major input from others- be it investors, or even the government and taxpayers whose investments in roads allowed the materiel that 'genius' needed to get to him.

It's simply laughable to hear people who have benefited so much- and I mean people, I've not the time to even go into the legal fictions of corporations, whine about having to give back to the very 'system' that enabled them to prosper. Try being Exxon in North Korea. Ain't gonna happen.

Until you learn to actually deal with the relevant, no amount of ability to look up 'your facts' will satisfy, because there will always be another person, as equally lacking in a real life, who will vociferously counter with 'facts' of their own. Of course, you know this, as I'm sure you've scrutinized every Left Wing talking points site out there, just so you can unfurl a ready made rebuttal, perfectly designed to evade the real and essential point, which in Paul's post, was:

how does the GOP defend giving tax breaks to an industry making eye popping profits on the backs of the US working class?
How do US working class citizens reconcile voting for the GOP?
How does the GOP defend obstructing and undermining efforts to move the US to renewable energy as quickly as possible?

In all your posts and links, you've not even scraped at the point, be it good or ill.

Although, that really was the point of this all, wasn't it, EE? To show how quick with the silver bullet search engine you are, even if the bullet dribbles out of the hole and falls 3 inches from the barrel end, right?

It is the 180 degree opposite of:

And still no reply to: 'Ask yourself this- how many huge corporations report 'losses' year after year, yet amazingly stay in business. Is it because the banks bail them out all the time, or because the 'losses' are a mirage in order to dodge their fair share of taxes?'

Because….?

And still no answer, but keep the hand moving. Sooner or later something intelligent will pop its cork.

You mentioned AT&T and water cooler gossip. Now if you included a link to something describing the federal money and why it was given to AT&T or even just the flipping year I might be able to track it down but that is not “exactly what happened” by any reasonable persons definition.

And still no reply to: 'Ask yourself this- how many huge corporations report 'losses' year after year, yet amazingly stay in business. Is it because the banks bail them out all the time, or because the 'losses' are a mirage in order to dodge their fair share of taxes?'

Because….?

I never mentioned dividends, only commented on your absurd quote: 'And when they hand out money guess what that's income to individuals and they pay taxes on it. Or do you think it should be taxed twice? Or three times?'' which shows you are fairly naive re: the real world monetary system.

And when a company earns a profit on a dollar, it is taxed once, When they pay that dollar to their employee it becomes his, and is taxed once. When that person buys a good it becomes the retailer's which is taxed once. Again, this is how the world works, unless your a survivalist Libertarian sort.

As far as the Taxes give me a break of course our money stays in circulation that isn't the same thing or even close and you know it. You complain because the corps pay dividends to get out of paying taxes on it when the dividends are taxed. They shouldn't need to be taxed twice when they were earned once. Commen sense should be enough.

In fact, any individual dollar will be taxed more than 3 or 4 times, for as it circulates thru an economy it will be taxed thousands of times, even though it is the same imaginary piece of capital. Tax it when a company earns it, tax it when it is paid to by an earned individual, tax it when that individual uses it to purchase a product or gift it or will it to a descendant, and then the new recipients will have to have that dollar taxed when they purchase something, or put it in a savings account. This is how we get things known as the public commons, by the taxing of capital as it flows, so that the capital keeps spinning, and with each go round it is put to the greater good of all.

Civics 101.

Yeah, and the CEOs are known for their not attempting to hide their assets in tax shelters and offshore accounts.

And, still no answer to 'Ask yourself this- how many huge corporations report 'losses' year after year, yet amazingly stay in business. Is it because the banks bail them out all the time, or because the 'losses' are a mirage in order to dodge their fair share of taxes?'

Not even good agitprop EE. Try again.

Do you realize that the profits that corps report are usually far less than that they actually earned. case in point. A corp earns 50 mill in profit, but then gets creative, and decides to hand out huge bonuses to its board members and top mgmt. That totals, conveniently, more than the 'profit,' so that the corp can claim it lost money, and reduce its actual tax burden.

Of course, EE, this NEVER happens, does it? Is the best you can do relying on spurious statistics? Recall the statistics and damned lies nostrum. And, indeed, earmarks, collectively, reach into the billions each year. And the term earmark is just the latest weasel word for such.

Let's see what new agitprop you'll sink to now.

So, on paper, AT&T was a good corporate citizen, when in the real world, they were welfar moms to the tune of nearly a billion of your and my dollars. But, these sorts of facts never seem to make it into the 'facts' that folk like you, who shill for corps, speak of.

Most corps are just like sports team owners, who boast of Capitalism when they want to make money, but beg for the public to build them new stadia, when their own greed and ineptitude strike, come crawling for gov't bailouts. Or, in some cases, get their lackey bought and paid for politicians to gift them.

So, in truth, to even talk about the tax rates is to only mention the outgo of corporations, or 1/2 the equation, while conveniently never mentioning the income- in the form of tax breaks and giveaways, and, to use the parlance 'competitive incentives for American businesses'.

Sorry, but three decades plus in the corporate world makes your claims easily seen through. Go peddle that swill elsewhere. I hear the John Birch Society is looking for good speakers.