Comments on: Sooner the Fly to God, Part II http://themoderatevoice.com/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/ An Internet hub with domestic and international news, analysis, original reporting, and popular features from the left, center, indies, centrists, moderates, and right Wed, 15 Feb 2012 04:43:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.1.2 By: Surabaya_Stew http://themoderatevoice.com/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-152476 Surabaya_Stew Tue, 29 Jan 2008 06:25:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/genocide/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/#comment-152476 Nope, and I suppose that I can't bring myself to ignore a mixed bag of results rather than focus on a black or white view of a person. Guess we shall have to agree to disagree... Nope, and I suppose that I can't bring myself to ignore a mixed bag of results rather than focus on a black or white view of a person. Guess we shall have to agree to disagree…

]]> By: schraubd http://themoderatevoice.com/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-152475 schraubd Mon, 28 Jan 2008 21:38:30 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/genocide/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/#comment-152475 I guess I'm not moderately anti-genocide then. I guess I'm not moderately anti-genocide then.

]]> By: Surabaya_Stew http://themoderatevoice.com/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-152474 Surabaya_Stew Mon, 28 Jan 2008 13:40:58 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/genocide/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/#comment-152474 That is, if there are any trains in the first place! Indonesia before Suharto was one of the poorest places on earth; just read the local commentary in foreign media outlets and you will see that people there have a mixed conclusion about his legacy. Much like the country itself, nothing is easy to decipher from an outsiders point of view, unless one has traveled there and talked to the citizens. It has been my experience that nearly everyone I have talked to credits him from saving the country from chaos and poverty, and very likely prevented its fracture into a multitude of mini states and waring factions. No wonder the power-brokers of the West supported him; was there any serious alternative? In the end, Mr Schraub, Indonesians must solve their own problems by themselves, and just like us, do not take one-sided criticism well. A proper balance of pros and cons is always appropriate; isn't why this site called "The Moderate Voice"? That is, if there are any trains in the first place! Indonesia before Suharto was one of the poorest places on earth; just read the local commentary in foreign media outlets and you will see that people there have a mixed conclusion about his legacy. Much like the country itself, nothing is easy to decipher from an outsiders point of view, unless one has traveled there and talked to the citizens. It has been my experience that nearly everyone I have talked to credits him from saving the country from chaos and poverty, and very likely prevented its fracture into a multitude of mini states and waring factions. No wonder the power-brokers of the West supported him; was there any serious alternative? In the end, Mr Schraub, Indonesians must solve their own problems by themselves, and just like us, do not take one-sided criticism well. A proper balance of pros and cons is always appropriate; isn't why this site called “The Moderate Voice”?

]]> By: schraubd http://themoderatevoice.com/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-152473 schraubd Mon, 28 Jan 2008 08:32:12 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/genocide/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/#comment-152473 I'm sure that's fantastic solace to the 300,000 he slaughtered.<br><br>As I said in the last post -- if this is what it takes to make the trains run on time, I'd rather they be a little late. I'm sure that's fantastic solace to the 300,000 he slaughtered.

As I said in the last post — if this is what it takes to make the trains run on time, I'd rather they be a little late.

]]> By: Surabaya_Stew http://themoderatevoice.com/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/comment-page-1/#comment-152472 Surabaya_Stew Mon, 28 Jan 2008 07:03:47 +0000 http://themoderatevoice.com/war/genocide/17371/sooner-the-fly-to-god-part-ii/#comment-152472 A wonderful insight Mr. Schraub. Could you please tell that to the vast majority of Indonesian Citizens whose average income soared, life span increased, and quality of life improved thanks to that thug, dictator, and criminal? A wonderful insight Mr. Schraub. Could you please tell that to the vast majority of Indonesian Citizens whose average income soared, life span increased, and quality of life improved thanks to that thug, dictator, and criminal?

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